Driver Charged In Bicyclist Hit-And-Run

A driver who hit two bicyclists before fleeing the scene was charged with reckless driving, second-degree assault with a motor vehicle, evading responsibility with physical injury and operating while under the ... Full Story
Amazed and dissapointed

United States

#25 May 26, 2008
And to North Granby Reident:

"Personal property and motor fuel taxes pay for roads - bicyclists pay neither"

So cyclists don't own homes or drive cars? Are you really this stupid or just acting?
Granby Resident

Milton, MA

#26 May 26, 2008
Bikers do have rights equivalent to those of cars, HOWEVER, they are much, much slower and are most definitely a risk to drivers, as even when sober and going proper speeds, bikers present a risk as they pedel slowly in the midst of a fast moving highway. Personally I don't think they should have similar rights to cars. I know Mike personally and he is a great kid - it's truly unfortunate - and I am SICKENED by any individual who is posting here that he should "go to jail with Bubba." Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone must take responsibility for them, but ill-wishing anyone like that, let alone someone so young who still has so much to learn, is sick.
Cyclist

Winsted, CT

#27 May 26, 2008
Granby Resident wrote:
Bikers do have rights equivalent to those of cars, HOWEVER, they are much, much slower and are most definitely a risk to drivers, as even when sober and going proper speeds, bikers present a risk as they pedel slowly in the midst of a fast moving highway. Personally I don't think they should have similar rights to cars. I know Mike personally and he is a great kid - it's truly unfortunate - and I am SICKENED by any individual who is posting here that he should "go to jail with Bubba." Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone must take responsibility for them, but ill-wishing anyone like that, let alone someone so young who still has so much to learn, is sick.
Great kid, yeah right. I am SICKENED by any individual that can blame the victims (the two cyclists that were standing on the side of the road at the time of the accident)and then say they are the ones that are a risk to a driver of a one ton vehicle. GET REAL!
Granby resident

Granby, CT

#28 May 26, 2008
I posted that cyclists who ride on HIGHWAY roads which are 45 mph or over are crazy and are endangering drivers and their families lives.
FYI:
1. I'm a vegan and don't go to McDonald's.

2. I've never sped or received a speeding ticket in my life.

3. I weigh 106 lbs--not fat, also not lazy.

I don't complain about cyclists because they're inconvenient or because I'm in a hurry. I complain because they're riding on roads that wind up and down hills---often you don't even see them as you're coming around a corner until you're almost on top of them. That's a dangerous situation, plain and simple. There's no time to slow down enough not to hit them and usually the only choice is to pull your car over to the left, crossing the center line.

Cyclists often refuse to move over as far right as possible--few of them ever follow that one.

Connecticut is the only state I've ever lived in with a-hole cyclists like this. Many other states have proper shoulders and bike lanes which can accommodate a cyclist. CT doesn't and cyclists who choose to ride on roads lacking room for them are idiots. Plain and simple.
Brian wrote:
This whole thing is really very simple.
Lazy fat people who want to rush around taking their kids to soccer and the McDonalds drive-thru never want to wait 2 seconds for the guy or woman getting exercise on his bike.
Related to this story..
The bottom line is this guy was drunk and ruined 2 peoples lives.
Granby resident

Granby, CT

#29 May 26, 2008
QUOTE who="Fellow Cyclist" I'm at a loss for words at the above comments. In one breath, you people admit to speeding and in the next comment about the safety of your family. Did you read what you typed?
I think you're referring to me---I DID not say I speed, I never speed. The road is 45 mph---that's the speed limit of most of Granby's roads.
Are you that ignorant and self centered?
Are you and idiot?
Do you stop for pedestrians in the cross walks or is that state law OK for you to break too. Do you pick and choose which laws to follow and which to break?
No, I don't break the law. The cyclists are breaking the law when they refuse to follow the laws pertaining to them. They're also breaking the laws of common sense when they ride on roads that anyone with a brain wouldn't attempt.
Are you telling me you would run down your neighbors kids riding to a game before slowing down and waiting for a safe pass and then go around him because "You think" a bicycle shouldn't be on the road as you speed the kids to the soccer game?
Again---I don't speed. AND, it's not about impatience or inconvenience, it's about safety. It's not safe for them to push cars into the opposite lane, and often there is no choice but to cross the center line. And, yes, unfortunately for the cyclist, of course I would choose to hit them rather than pull into the path of an oncoming car. I wouldn't want to..that's absurd...but given the choice I'm going to choose my family. Cyclists choosing to ride on high speed roads choose to take that risk.
Granby resident

Granby, CT

#30 May 26, 2008
As far as I can tell, nobody said that people on bikes deserve to be hit, should be hit, or are roadkill. I don't know where you get that from what people have written. People have stated that cyclists are putting themselves in danger and are putting cars who have to swerve around them in danger. I haven't heard one person say that the reason they object is because they don't like waiting, they want to speed, or anything else of that nature.

I think the people getting bent out of shape because others are criticizing cyclists riding on highways are probably the cyclists doing that stupid stuff and you're just being defensive about your dumb choices.
Amazed and dissapointed wrote:
"Granby Resident" seems to justify their anger/frustration at cyclists by characterizing them as roadkill! Newflash! These people pay taxes just like you. They have just as much right to use the road ways as you do. I hope the general population on Granby isn't represented by morons like you.
bruab

Rocky Hill, CT

#31 May 26, 2008
I am sure if your mother or girlfriend got hit by this guy you would already have a lawyer.

you are missing the point that this guy was drunk and hurt people. if you don't like the rules of the road and don't want to live by them then turn in your license.
Granby resident wrote:
As far as I can tell, nobody said that people on bikes deserve to be hit, should be hit, or are roadkill. I don't know where you get that from what people have written. People have stated that cyclists are putting themselves in danger and are putting cars who have to swerve around them in danger. I haven't heard one person say that the reason they object is because they don't like waiting, they want to speed, or anything else of that nature.
I think the people getting bent out of shape because others are criticizing cyclists riding on highways are probably the cyclists doing that stupid stuff and you're just being defensive about your dumb choices.
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Cyclist

Winsted, CT

#32 May 26, 2008
Granby resident wrote:
QUOTE who="Fellow Cyclist" I'm at a loss for words at the above comments. In one breath, you people admit to speeding and in the next comment about the safety of your family. Did you read what you typed?
I think you're referring to me---I DID not say I speed, I never speed. The road is 45 mph---that's the speed limit of most of Granby's roads.
Are you that ignorant and self centered?
Are you and idiot?
Do you stop for pedestrians in the cross walks or is that state law OK for you to break too. Do you pick and choose which laws to follow and which to break?
No, I don't break the law. The cyclists are breaking the law when they refuse to follow the laws pertaining to them. They're also breaking the laws of common sense when they ride on roads that anyone with a brain wouldn't attempt.
Are you telling me you would run down your neighbors kids riding to a game before slowing down and waiting for a safe pass and then go around him because "You think" a bicycle shouldn't be on the road as you speed the kids to the soccer game?
Again---I don't speed. AND, it's not about impatience or inconvenience, it's about safety. It's not safe for them to push cars into the opposite lane, and often there is no choice but to cross the center line. And, yes, unfortunately for the cyclist, of course I would choose to hit them rather than pull into the path of an oncoming car. I wouldn't want to..that's absurd...but given the choice I'm going to choose my family. Cyclists choosing to ride on high speed roads choose to take that risk.
Hey Family Man that would choose to hit a cyclist rather than putting yourself and family in danger when crossing the yellow line.... Why don't you learn the laws and how to drive? The slower vehicle that you are coming upon (cyclist) and the oncoming car in the opposite, have the right of way and whether you like it or not, you are supposed to wait until it is safe to pass the slower vehicle whether it is a biker, a farm tractor or a horse and buggy etc...
Cyclist

Winsted, CT

#33 May 26, 2008
Granby resident wrote:
As far as I can tell, nobody said that people on bikes deserve to be hit, should be hit, or are roadkill. I don't know where you get that from what people have written. People have stated that cyclists are putting themselves in danger and are putting cars who have to swerve around them in danger. I haven't heard one person say that the reason they object is because they don't like waiting, they want to speed, or anything else of that nature.
I think the people getting bent out of shape because others are criticizing cyclists riding on highways are probably the cyclists doing that stupid stuff and you're just being defensive about your dumb choices.
<quoted text>
Let's talk dumb choices when gas prices go higher. You probably drive some gas pig SUV because it is "safe".
Cyclist

Winsted, CT

#34 May 26, 2008
Granby resident wrote:
As far as I can tell, nobody said that people on bikes deserve to be hit, should be hit, or are roadkill. I don't know where you get that from what people have written. People have stated that cyclists are putting themselves in danger and are putting cars who have to swerve around them in danger. I haven't heard one person say that the reason they object is because they don't like waiting, they want to speed, or anything else of that nature.

I think the people getting bent out of shape because others are criticizing cyclists riding on highways are probably the cyclists doing that stupid stuff and you're just being defensive about your dumb choices.
<quoted text>
Oh yes, I am one of those stupid cyclists coming to a town near you, putting you and your children in danger. So be sure to liquor up your kid and give him the keys to your big suv so he will be safe when he goes crashing into some of those dumb cyclists making bad choices.
Cyclist

Winsted, CT

#35 May 26, 2008
Granby resident wrote:
I posted that cyclists who ride on HIGHWAY roads which are 45 mph or over are crazy and are endangering drivers and their families lives.
FYI:
1. I'm a vegan and don't go to McDonald's.
2. I've never sped or received a speeding ticket in my life.
3. I weigh 106 lbs--not fat, also not lazy.
I don't complain about cyclists because they're inconvenient or because I'm in a hurry. I complain because they're riding on roads that wind up and down hills---often you don't even see them as you're coming around a corner until you're almost on top of them. That's a dangerous situation, plain and simple. There's no time to slow down enough not to hit them and usually the only choice is to pull your car over to the left, crossing the center line.
Cyclists often refuse to move over as far right as possible--few of them ever follow that one.
Connecticut is the only state I've ever lived in with a-hole cyclists like this. Many other states have proper shoulders and bike lanes which can accommodate a cyclist. CT doesn't and cyclists who choose to ride on roads lacking room for them are idiots. Plain and simple.
<quoted text>
Since cyclists are such idiots, maybe you safe drivers should stay off the roads altogether and leave the roads to the cyclists. Then you and your family will be safe. Plain and simple.
Andy

New Milford, CT

#36 May 26, 2008
Pretty sickening reading these comments. Some people seriously believe that it is their right to run over other people if they are in their way of convinience. Reading the emotions between the lines it sounds like a war. If you believe you have the right to kill, enlist for Iraq. If you want to increase your chance of killing cyclists, move to China. There you will also learn what realy stinks, cars or cyclists? BTW, your kids, or grand children at the latest, will all be riding bikes and with face masks, because there will be 3 times more people, little room and no gas, and CO2 and ozone poluted air. People that will still be driving cars and especially SUV's or trucks may do so because they are fat (and rich). They will be more likely to run over people including their own kids (already happening - see driveway and cul de sac accident report). If you are ahead of your time, get on the bike or walk, if not get out of the way of pedestrians or cyclists. They are required to pay full taxes for a 12 foot wide lane of 6 inch thick asphalt made of “oil”, that you need for your 3000+lb car, while they need only 2 feet wide, 1 inch thick to move ~200lb. That’s 30 cyclists per car and in addition you are burning fuel making a mess for your own and the future of your children and garnd chidren. Good luck everyone.
John

Sandy Hook, CT

#37 May 26, 2008
It's simple, treat others the way you wish to be treated yourself.
For example, imagine that you or someone you love is the cyclist, pedestrian etc.

This world is far from perfect and it will never be, but I believe most people are basically good natured.

When I ride about 95% of the drivers are reasonably safe, but there is *always* a jerk on-every-ride, even a short one that does something stupid. This is no different that any other situation, work, school etc...
Granby resident

Granby, CT

#38 May 26, 2008
Cyclist wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's talk dumb choices when gas prices go higher. You probably drive some gas pig SUV because it is "safe".
No, I drive a hybrid. You probably drive a pickup truck with a rifle in the rear window.
Granby resident

Granby, CT

#39 May 26, 2008
bruab wrote:
I am sure if your mother or girlfriend got hit by this guy you would already have a lawyer.
you are missing the point that this guy was drunk and hurt people. if you don't like the rules of the road and don't want to live by them then turn in your license.
<quoted text>
I am not missing the point. I am the poster who said that there were 2 issues being discussed: 1. that the kid had made a huge mistake and caused pain and suffering on 2 innocent people and 2. whether or not cyclists create dangerous situations.

Just because I'm capable of discussing the pros and cons of cyclists riding on highways doesn't mean I also think that it is OK to drive drunk, hit innocent people, and drive away. Of course that's wrong, and I said it would be absurd to say otherwise.

I never said anyone deserved to be hit or that I had a right to run over people. The point I'm making is that cyclists on high speed roads are dangerous--to drivers and especially to themselves. I pointed out that in a situation where a driver would have to choose either hitting the cyclist or hitting another car head-on the cyclist is going to be the one to suffer. I fail to understand why anyone would risk that and it seems incredibly irresponsible and reckless to me. Just like walking, jogging, or riding a bike on I-91 would be ludicrous, do so on high-speed "country" road is equally as ludicrous.

I think the cyclists defending their "right" to ride on highways is absurd and truly misses the point that they are being reckless and putting their own lives, and others, at risk. How would their family feel to get a call a car had hit them and they were either severely injured or, worse, dead? It seems dumb to me.

Holding the belief that cyclists do not belong on high speed roads does not entail also believing that people should be run over. Nor does it mean that you drive an SUV, speed, are fat, impatient, or are lazy. What kind of logic is that, anyway? Pretty dumb.
Granby resident

Granby, CT

#40 May 26, 2008
Andy--Obviously you aren't aquainted with Granby. Nor do you have kids. If so, you would realize that using a bike for transporting your family around would not be possible. Also...HELLO...it's winter and cold here about 8 months a year. Good luck on your bike when it's freezing, snowing, raining, hailing and all the other rotten weather conditions CT offers.
Andy wrote:
Pretty sickening reading these comments. Some people seriously believe that it is their right to run over other people if they are in their way of convinience. Reading the emotions between the lines it sounds like a war. If you believe you have the right to kill, enlist for Iraq. If you want to increase your chance of killing cyclists, move to China. There you will also learn what realy stinks, cars or cyclists? BTW, your kids, or grand children at the latest, will all be riding bikes and with face masks, because there will be 3 times more people, little room and no gas, and CO2 and ozone poluted air. People that will still be driving cars and especially SUV's or trucks may do so because they are fat (and rich). They will be more likely to run over people including their own kids (already happening - see driveway and cul de sac accident report). If you are ahead of your time, get on the bike or walk, if not get out of the way of pedestrians or cyclists. They are required to pay full taxes for a 12 foot wide lane of 6 inch thick asphalt made of “oil”, that you need for your 3000+lb car, while they need only 2 feet wide, 1 inch thick to move ~200lb. That’s 30 cyclists per car and in addition you are burning fuel making a mess for your own and the future of your children and garnd chidren. Good luck everyone.
Granby resident

Granby, CT

#41 May 26, 2008
John wrote:
It's simple, treat others the way you wish to be treated yourself.
For example, imagine that you or someone you love is the cyclist, pedestrian etc.
This world is far from perfect and it will never be, but I believe most people are basically good natured.
When I ride about 95% of the drivers are reasonably safe, but there is *always* a jerk on-every-ride, even a short one that does something stupid. This is no different that any other situation, work, school etc...
So, John, you yourself admit that at least 5% of drivers are not safe and that you encounter them every time you ride. Doesn't that illustrate the point that cyclists are putting themselves at risk when they ride on roads that can't safely accommodate them?

I have nothing against cyclists--my husband rode a bike for years. But, this was in CA, a state that supports cyclists and builds bike lanes on nearly every road. CT should get with the times and follow suit. We're one of the richest (if not THE richest) states in America and we can't add bike lanes to our roads??!!

I think it's great to cycle as long as you're being safe and not endangering either yourself or others. It's just common sense.

You're right--the world is not perfect but most people do try to do what is right. That includes recognizing that young kids do stupid things and make a lot of mistakes. That doesn't mean they're horrible people; just that they did a horrible thing. I would bet that young man will never drive drunk again.
Not a CT Ahole

Granby, CT

#42 May 27, 2008
Granby resident wrote:
<quoted text>
I pointed out that in a situation where a driver would have to choose either hitting the cyclist or hitting another car head-on the cyclist is going to be the one to suffer. I fail to understand why anyone would risk that and it seems incredibly irresponsible and reckless to me.
Some peoples view of realitly is so fuzzy. The fact is you drve a car an must be in control of it at all times. If you come around a "blind" corner and hit a cyclist, a school bus, a big rock, etc. It is your fault, you need to be in control not assume it is clear because it is a road. Make a choice to hit a cyclists instead of an oncoming car means you put yourself in that postion! Pass when you have a clear safe lane. This is where CT drivers are the worst, "I'm more important then this cyclist, I'll just pass him and if a car is coming I can just run him over...I'll be safe and he is on a bike".
Jeff

Wethersfield, CT

#43 May 27, 2008
I'm convinced that Granby Resident is either (a)The defendant's father or (b)His lawyer.

I guess you've never seen a "share the road" sign. Maybe some need to go up in Granby.

Granby Resident, you are so shortsighted. Look at any picture from the early 1900's in Connecticut and you will see that horse and buggies and bicycles ruled the streets. It was the automobile that came along AFTER the bicycle.

Now since you are out there driving the "twisty" roads that were originally built for bicycles/horses you somehow think you have a superior right to use them?

The truth is that we were here first and the Connecticut General statues reflect that by granting bicycles the same rights and responsibilities as cars.

This kid needs to go to jail. With an alcohol level of 2.5, I'm sure it wasn't his first time drinking and driving. He's 18 and in the eyes of the law an adult. He needs to step up like a man, take responsibility for his actions, and pay back society.

A mistake is when you forget to pay the electric bill.

It is not a mistake to consciously pour alcohol down your throat, get drunker than a skunk, and go out mowing down people.
snoop dog

Alpharetta, GA

#44 May 27, 2008
Thank g-d someone caught the bastard

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