Live Oak Country Club and Golf Course

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Prep

Weatherford, TX

#1 Dec 23, 2012
Can anyone explain to the citizens of Weatherford how their golf course and country club became incorporated in UTAH?

Then Councilman Waymon Hamilton (and already RECALLED Council members - Jan Barton and Clem Smith) benefited financially from the sale of the golf course. Recalled Councilman Clem Smith signed the articles of incorporation.

Should these docs be examined by local law enforcement or should the TX Rangers (not talking baseball) or the FBI look into this?
Prep

Weatherford, TX

#2 Dec 23, 2012
Yes, this is the property sold to the First Baptist Church which they cannot build on. Those involved in the sale KNEW the church would not be allowed to build yet took the church member's money. Should they have to pay the members of the church back?
Sunday Challenge

United States

#3 Dec 23, 2012
Maybe you should explain how council persons benefited financially. You keep spouting that but you seen to be the only one who thinks that and has hat knowledge.
Also, why can't the church build on that property?
Spit it out. Tell us. Here's your chance TM.
Please don't run and hide or ignore. It's your turn to talk. For once, provide some real answers.
Prep

Weatherford, TX

#4 Dec 23, 2012
They received over $30k each
1reader

Ballwin, MO

#6 Dec 23, 2012
The course was not city owned
Is this true

Weatherford, TX

#7 Dec 23, 2012
who owned it then?

this has nothing to do with Tawni. FOCUS!

You people want to act like you know it all but none of you know the answer to any of these question?

Woowee, ya'll are smart
Watchdog Member

Dallas, TX

#10 Dec 23, 2012
Tawni Lies wrote:
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Who paid them over $30,000 each?
How was it covered up?
Where are they hiding the $30,000?
Did they all get their $30,000 each at the same time?
Was the $30,000 paid by check, cash, or wire transfer?
Were other people who know about the $30,000 each paid off to make sure they kept their mouths shut?
Actually the word is Clem Smith received aprox.$100,000 as a result of his efforts furthering the sale from his position as President of the Board of the Golf Club. The whole deal is another of the disgraceful things that have gone down here. The church has been swindled in regard to what they wanted to do with that property. The problem the home owners face whose houses back up to that property is a nasty one too. It seems there is a cloud upon the titles to the lots all their houses sit on. It is a very complicated mess. A lot of prominent people are involved as well. So the whole deal may never see the light of day. The Golf Club was started by donations of land by a group of well-meaning citizens and the incorporation papers state that all of said property had to be kept together into perpetuity. Guess that is why all the manuvering took place to get around that. The church members were not all in agreement to do the deal and it caused a very serious rift in the membership when the sale was pushed through. Politics and greed once again. NOthing new under the Weatherford sun. It would take a lot of research to get all of this story straight. Be my guest. Start at the courthouse annex. Then take a look at the paper trails concerning the incorporation papers and the shift to Utah. A state that has very loose rules regarding corporations and their officers and out of state things. Also a lot of title flipping took place concerning the lots along Park St. This little scandal will occupy whoever looks at it in detail for a lot of hours. It would be really interesting to hear the real facts in this one.
Is this true

Weatherford, TX

#11 Dec 23, 2012
Tawni Lies wrote:
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Have you taken your documentation to local law enforcement or the TX Rangers (not talking baseball) or the FBI? If not, why not?
If you have, why haven't they acted on your documentation? Have they told you why they haven't?
Exactly what is your documentation?
How did Waymon Hamilton, Jan Barton and Clem Smith benefit financially? How much were they paid? How can you know these things without any legal action ever taken? Who in law enforcement is guilty of conspiring with these three lawbreakers, the Sheriff, the Chief, the DA?
Should Waymon Hamilton, Jan Barton and Clem Smith go to jail? Should Sheriff Fowler go to jail? How about the Chief and the DA?


How did they all receive money? Ask them and then please come back here and tell me. I am asking because I want answers, not more idiotic statements about Tawni. FOCUS
Banker

United States

#13 Dec 23, 2012
Watchdog Member wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the word is Clem Smith received aprox.$100,000 as a result of his efforts furthering the sale from his position as President of the Board of the Golf Club. The whole deal is another of the disgraceful things that have gone down here. The church has been swindled in regard to what they wanted to do with that property. The problem the home owners face whose houses back up to that property is a nasty one too. It seems there is a cloud upon the titles to the lots all their houses sit on. It is a very complicated mess. A lot of prominent people are involved as well. So the whole deal may never see the light of day. The Golf Club was started by donations of land by a group of well-meaning citizens and the incorporation papers state that all of said property had to be kept together into perpetuity. Guess that is why all the manuvering took place to get around that. The church members were not all in agreement to do the deal and it caused a very serious rift in the membership when the sale was pushed through. Politics and greed once again. NOthing new under the Weatherford sun. It would take a lot of research to get all of this story straight. Be my guest. Start at the courthouse annex. Then take a look at the paper trails concerning the incorporation papers and the shift to Utah. A state that has very loose rules regarding corporations and their officers and out of state things. Also a lot of title flipping took place concerning the lots along Park St. This little scandal will occupy whoever looks at it in detail for a lot of hours. It would be really interesting to hear the real facts in this one.
So you are implying that mortgage companys loaned money to build houses on land without a clear and secured title?

I think not.
Nobody is home

Weatherford, TX

#15 Dec 23, 2012
Are your lights even on?

Do the research and get involved with your local government. Or, maybe you are a part of the local govt?

The houses should have never been built on those sites. Why dont you run down and ask the church why they havent built on the large piece of property they bought to build on. You wont because you were involved in this corrupt deal or you are only interested in harassing Tawni to throw readers off the scent of the real SKUNKS at City Hall
Nobody is home

Weatherford, TX

#17 Dec 23, 2012
You really are not very bright.

Oh man, you are a council member!

Since: Dec 12

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#18 Dec 24, 2012
Tawni Lies wrote:
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If any of that was true you wouldn't be ranting and posting mess like "word is" and "it would be really interesting to hear the real facts in this one" anonymously on Topix. Why aren't you out front and center in a fight to bring the swindlers to justice?
If the Church was swindled, why has no action been filed on its behalf? Do 100% of Church members have to agree before the Church can agree to anything?
What cloud hangs over homeowers titles? What have the homeowners done to secure clear title to their property?
Your words admit you don't know anything. You just suppose a lot.
You are a stupid man. Stop being ugly to Tawni. Go talk to the peeps at First Baptist Church.
Century 21

United States

#19 Dec 24, 2012
1reader wrote:
The course was not city owned
Wow. This pretty much kills your conspiracy.

Dead issue now. You need to make up something new to chatter about.

The sale of private property is not your, mine or the councils concern.
Here it is

Dallas, TX

#20 Dec 24, 2012
Prep wrote:
Can anyone explain to the citizens of Weatherford how their golf course and country club became incorporated in UTAH?
Then Councilman Waymon Hamilton (and already RECALLED Council members - Jan Barton and Clem Smith) benefited financially from the sale of the golf course. Recalled Councilman Clem Smith signed the articles of incorporation.
Should these docs be examined by local law enforcement or should the TX Rangers (not talking baseball) or the FBI look into this?
1st- the Live Oak Country Club was a private non-profit corp founded in the 1920's. In later years it was transferred to a non-profit Utah corp and then made a for profit Utah corp.
Former Weatherford City Councilperson Clem Smith was the chairperson of the club's
Board of Directors in it's last years.
The City of Weatherford's involvement was to give the club $4,000 per year thru the cities parks and rec department to off set the cost of city water when the club was asked to shut thier own water wells down. The city cannoy "give" utilities away to anyone or business. The $4,000 paid for part of the cost of city water and allowed Weatherford residents to use the club at no charge.
The biggest reason for the club's closure was no one was using it.
If any other city officials were involved, I cannot say.
Yes it does need investigation.
IwantToKnow

Ballwin, MO

#22 Dec 24, 2012
Nobody is home wrote:
Are your lights even on?

Do the research and get involved with your local government. Or, maybe you are a part of the local govt?

The houses should have never been built on those sites. Why dont you run down and ask the church why they havent built on the large piece of property they bought to build on. You wont because you were involved in this corrupt deal or you are only interested in harassing Tawni to throw readers off the scent of the real SKUNKS at City Hall
Now that you have been given facts that no city staff nor council person took bribes nor profited from the sale of country club, you would be well advised chicken little to refrain from further lies and slander. That karma might come for you. In all your rantings you have failed to show one single piece of evidence of wrong doing. Maybe you should go Christmas caroling. Repent sayeth The Lord. Thou shalt not lie.
Watchdog Member

Dallas, TX

#24 Dec 24, 2012
Banker wrote:
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So you are implying that mortgage companys loaned money to build houses on land without a clear and secured title?
I think not.
Talk to the folks who do title searches and you will find out how possible it is to obscure a title and work the paper to get a sale done. The problem is the property is part of the original land that was donated by private citizens to be the gaming club and golf course and it was written into the original incorporation papers that all of the property was to stay intact as one piece forever. The term used in the original incorporation papers was into PERPETUITY. That speaks for itself. Also there is a question of mineral rights beneath the property and it seems there is gas and possibly oil under the property. Who gets those? The original property owners are the only ones who have a solid claim to any of the whole thing. Have fun and go do some research and follow the paper trail. It is all there for anyone to read. Wonder who at the church did not do this before buying this white elephant.
Earl

United States

#25 Dec 24, 2012
Tawni, let it go. It's been proven that you were lying. You were busted LET IT GO.
IwantToKnow

Grand Prairie, TX

#26 Dec 24, 2012
Watchdog Member wrote:
<quoted text>Talk to the folks who do title searches and you will find out how possible it is to obscure a title and work the paper to get a sale done. The problem is the property is part of the original land that was donated by private citizens to be the gaming club and golf course and it was written into the original incorporation papers that all of the property was to stay intact as one piece forever. The term used in the original incorporation papers was into PERPETUITY. That speaks for itself. Also there is a question of mineral rights beneath the property and it seems there is gas and possibly oil under the property. Who gets those? The original property owners are the only ones who have a solid claim to any of the whole thing. Have fun and go do some research and follow the paper trail. It is all there for anyone to read. Wonder who at the church did not do this before buying this white elephant.
Come on sharp shooter. If you have done all this title search as you claim, you would know who has the mineral rights because it would be recorded in the documents. Once again you are trying to impress folks with your claims of wrong doing. You have yet to state a shred if evidence. Best be advised those public officials may have all the attorneys and judges in their pockets and may come after you for falsely accusing them. I for one would like them to come after you so you would have to put up of shut up. Merry Christmas
Watchdog Member

Duncanville, TX

#27 Dec 26, 2012
Tawni Lies wrote:
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If any of that was true you wouldn't be ranting and posting mess like "word is" and "it would be really interesting to hear the real facts in this one" anonymously on Topix. Why aren't you out front and center in a fight to bring the swindlers to justice?
If the Church was swindled, why has no action been filed on its behalf? Do 100% of Church members have to agree before the Church can agree to anything?
What cloud hangs over homeowers titles? What have the homeowners done to secure clear title to their property?
Your words admit you don't know anything. You just suppose a lot.
Why do you not approach the church leadership and find out for yourself. It seems unlikely the church would take this situation lying down. Guess it depends upon who is in charge at the church. It seems likely there will have to be an accounting sooner or later considering the amount of money involved wouldn't you say? Bet there ares osme folks who are going to have some very uncomfortable questions to answer.
Thank you

Weatherford, TX

#28 Dec 26, 2012
had not thought about taking these docs to the church. good idea. if the church leadership is truly concerned about what happened and is concerned about getting their money back from Clem Smith, Waymon Hamilton, Jan Barton and others then I would think wrongdoing would be easy enough to prove.

do you know who the preacher is now?

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