Ohio driver, 82, dies in crash with ambulance | The Columbus Dispatch

Sep 16, 2010 Read more: Columbus Dispatch 14
State troopers in Ohio say an ambulance taking a man to the hospital crashed into a car at an intersection, killing an 82-year-old motorist. Read more
Topper

Marysville, OH

#1 Sep 16, 2010
Someday there will be a study on the number of deaths caused by squads running with lights and sirens when it really isn't a life threatening emergency......Especially small town, and township squads...
Most of squad runs are not really emergencies......
But it's good PR to look like a life saver all the time.....

Heart attacks, Not breathing, PROFUSE bleeding [not just gash or cut]...
But a broken arm???....Or, I fell yesterday, now my back hurts???

Most squad runs are no more than band-aid runs taxie service to a hospital
Bucksr1

Dublin, OH

#2 Sep 16, 2010
Topper - Ambulances on non-crital runs do not use lights and sirens.
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#4 Sep 16, 2010
Just another hotshot who thinks a siren is a license to kill.
Does not matter

Lewis Center, OH

#5 Sep 16, 2010
Does not matter if the squad was transporting someone with a life threatening condition or not (however there are rules in place), the lights and sirens were on. PULL OVER! That is the law.
Sadly this gentleman failed to do so and his error cost him his life.
As for the gentlemen in the squad...if you want to 'triage': A fall from a roof can be life threatening and not just a broken arm or back pain.(if that is what you were referring to Topper)
dude

Columbus, OH

#6 Sep 16, 2010
Sad yet ironic. He was probably driving to the hospital.
Sam

Pickerington, OH

#7 Sep 16, 2010
Bucksr1 wrote:
Topper - Ambulances on non-crital runs do not use lights and sirens.
Shush you... don't bother the idiots with facts. They might realize their prejudices are wrong.
TopperDefender

Marysville, OH

#8 Sep 16, 2010
Topper is the most correct poster on this list. Simplified,the law in the State of Ohio is that although there is a duty "PULL OVER", that does not relieve the operator of the emergency vehicle from using a standard of due care for the safety of others. Lights and siren are a mere request for the right of way. Before proceeding through a stop sign or red light or in any other manner that would otherwise be a traffic offense the emergency operator must assure he/she can do so safely. The other aspect of the lights and siren issue is that permission to violate traffic laws must be in the act of an emergency. A question of fact. And a very curious question of fact if in fact the patient was treated and released as stated in the article. As to UNOisTRU's comment, totally wrong. When to proceed in emergency mode is a combination of when State law grants that privelege, local department policy, and applicable facts of the run.

Since: Aug 10

Columbus, OH

#9 Sep 16, 2010
http://www.publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/ems_tt... That is the Ohio Trauma Triage protocal that is statewide. Now there's not alot of facts out yet on this accident so to me it's mostly speculation, however does a person have to yeild to an emergency vehicle? Answer is yes. Does the operator have to maintain "due reguard" for the public? YES. With that being said a paramedic outside of cleveland was charged with murder years ago for hitting a pregnant woman car while responding to an auto accident. His name is Michael Monticello whom done time for manslaughter. Now some things we don't know yet is who had a green light or what traffic systems were in place at location of a crash? Did the Driver Of the EMS vehicle using lights and sirens or just using lights only? I can personally tell you that driving emergency vehicles you see alot of people not giving you the right of way, and in some cases actively trying to cause an accident. That happens to law enforcement, fire , and ems. In the end we all will know what happened once the investigation is completed ..

Since: Aug 10

Columbus, OH

#10 Sep 16, 2010
anti JW

Delaware, OH

#11 Sep 16, 2010
Bucksr1 wrote:
Topper - Ambulances on non-crital runs do not use lights and sirens.
They do getting there.
Wow

Blacklick, OH

#12 Sep 17, 2010
Does not matter wrote:
Does not matter if the squad was transporting someone with a life threatening condition or not (however there are rules in place), the lights and sirens were on. PULL OVER! That is the law.
Sadly this gentleman failed to do so and his error cost him his life.
As for the gentlemen in the squad...if you want to 'triage': A fall from a roof can be life threatening and not just a broken arm or back pain.(if that is what you were referring to Topper)
A lot of things matter in incidents like these! Even thought the lights and sirens were on, was it really an emergency?! Was the man in the ambulance on the verge of dying?! I feel the pain for the family of the victim killed. I too, lost my grandmother in an head on ambulance accident in 1998. She was pulled over like she was suppose to be. The squad didn't even have an emergency that they were dispatched to and were flying almost 72 mph in a 25. The driver of the squad had a few traffic infractions on his record. It is all to often that this happens with emergency vehicles. I think there needs to be stricter guidelines when it comes to driving Emergency vehicles along with record checks. Will it happen?!?! No.
Wow

Blacklick, OH

#13 Sep 17, 2010
Correcting myself... 72mph in a highly congested 45mph area.
wow

Frazeysburg, OH

#15 Sep 22, 2010
First of all, the 82 year old probably had no business driving a car! Secondly she probably couldnt hear the siren! Its a damn shame that someone had to lose their life but, its time for mandatory yearly license checks on all people over 70!
The Fire Inspector

Cardington, OH

#16 Sep 22, 2010
To all of you fire, ems, and police bashers/haters...... Until you man up and and dance in our shoes how can you EVER make a statement about the way we drive? We are taught very early on in our Careers that every situation is an 'Emergency' situation until proven otherwise! This also holds true with Transporting patients to hospitals! I would like to know how many years on the 'job' the driver of the bus(ambulance) actually had! My bet is he is a green horn!

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