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OBAMA IS MUSLIM

Utica, NY

#1 Sep 14, 2012
NY Maniac

Utica, NY

#2 Sep 14, 2012
AAAND....so what if he is? This country was founded on freedom of religion (and persecution), so if you have a huge problem with it, it means we must disregard the rest of the Bill of Rights, and you have to give up your Freedom of Speech and Right to Bear Arm as well. That sounds fair to me....

“I could be wrong.”

Since: Apr 11

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#3 Sep 14, 2012
NY Maniac wrote:
AAAND....so what if he is?
I like you. Post more often.
hey

Utica, NY

#4 Sep 14, 2012
u must not no what they doin 2 our embasies
NY Maniac

Utica, NY

#5 Sep 14, 2012
hey wrote:
u must not no what they doin 2 our embasies
Aaahh...to the contrary, I keep completely abreast of it. However, I believe the individuals responsible are Muslim extremists that have conducted a PLANNED event to disrupt US relations with the Middle East (primarily Muslims). Timothy McVeigh was a Christian, and we didn't seem to boycott him, Hitler did what he did in the name of Christianity, the crusades which killed MILLIONS were all done in the name of Christianity, etc, etc. The Christian religion, which is also responsible for the Salem Witchcraft autrocities, is responsible for far more murders than the Muslim religion. I am by FAR not condoning the actions, nor sympathizing, but understand that it is a VERY select few (to include Osama Bin Laden) that happen to be radicals and misinterpret their religion to foment anti-American hatred.
resident

Waterville, NY

#6 Sep 14, 2012
NY Maniac wrote:
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Aaahh...to the contrary, I keep completely abreast of it. However, I believe the individuals responsible are Muslim extremists that have conducted a PLANNED event to disrupt US relations with the Middle East (primarily Muslims). Timothy McVeigh was a Christian, and we didn't seem to boycott him, Hitler did what he did in the name of Christianity, the crusades which killed MILLIONS were all done in the name of Christianity, etc, etc. The Christian religion, which is also responsible for the Salem Witchcraft autrocities, is responsible for far more murders than the Muslim religion. I am by FAR not condoning the actions, nor sympathizing, but understand that it is a VERY select few (to include Osama Bin Laden) that happen to be radicals and misinterpret their religion to foment anti-American hatred.
These people were not true Christians. True Christianity does not preach to go out and kill others. Just because they may have attended a Christian Denomination doesn't mean they are Christians. If they had followed the Bible, they would not have done what they did. The Koran, does tell the Muslims to go out and kill the infidels, and the infidels are those who do not practice Islam. What do you think of all the Muslims that have beheaded Christians?
NY Maniac

Utica, NY

#7 Sep 14, 2012
resident wrote:
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These people were not true Christians. True Christianity does not preach to go out and kill others. Just because they may have attended a Christian Denomination doesn't mean they are Christians. If they had followed the Bible, they would not have done what they did. The Koran, does tell the Muslims to go out and kill the infidels, and the infidels are those who do not practice Islam. What do you think of all the Muslims that have beheaded Christians?
Then who are the true Christians? Catholic Priests? It seems to me that they are frequently accused of acts that are contradictory to Biblical principals. Therefore, it is possible that these Muslim extremists are similar to those "Christians" that have committed autrocities in the name of god. And it is also important to note that God commanded his disciples to slaughter entire civilizations in His name because they were non-believers.
observer

Waterville, NY

#8 Sep 14, 2012
NY Maniac wrote:
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Then who are the true Christians? Catholic Priests? It seems to me that they are frequently accused of acts that are contradictory to Biblical principals. Therefore, it is possible that these Muslim extremists are similar to those "Christians" that have committed autrocities in the name of god. And it is also important to note that God commanded his disciples to slaughter entire civilizations in His name because they were non-believers.
True Christians practice Christianity...follow the Bible. When a priest molests he is not practicing Christianity..obviously. Muslims are taught to kill the infidels.... It's in the Koran. Christianity teaches to love one another. Of course NO ONE is perfect and we all sin. We need to ask God's forgiveness when we do something against his will. The Muslims do not follow the BIBLE. They believe in Mohammad....a messenger sent by god. Christians are not taught to slaughter other people. Christianity started during/after the time of Christ. There is nothing in the New Testament telling others to go out and kill those who do not follow Christianity. However Muslims are taught to kill those who do not follow Islam,(Infidels) I have never heard of Christian Extremists....have you?
Our country was founded on Christian principles, and yes we have freedom of religion so that we can follow Christianity.
NY Maniac

Utica, NY

#9 Sep 14, 2012
observer wrote:
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True Christians practice Christianity...follow the Bible. When a priest molests he is not practicing Christianity..obviously. Muslims are taught to kill the infidels.... It's in the Koran. Christianity teaches to love one another. Of course NO ONE is perfect and we all sin. We need to ask God's forgiveness when we do something against his will. The Muslims do not follow the BIBLE. They believe in Mohammad....a messenger sent by god. Christians are not taught to slaughter other people. Christianity started during/after the time of Christ. There is nothing in the New Testament telling others to go out and kill those who do not follow Christianity. However Muslims are taught to kill those who do not follow Islam,(Infidels) I have never heard of Christian Extremists....have you?
Our country was founded on Christian principles, and yes we have freedom of religion so that we can follow Christianity.
That is a common, and in my opinion, misinterpretation of the Quran. It all lies in the interpretation. Where the Quran incites violence, as your reference states to kill the infidelsn it was in reference to those that had driven them from Mecca and persecuted them. It is also very clear that Muslims must not fight those that don't persecute them, not fight those that they have made treaty with, and not fight those that are in need of mercy. So I return to my original statement. These Muslims are simply radicals, much like those that commit crimes in the name of Christianity.
observer

Waterville, NY

#10 Sep 15, 2012
Quran (3:151)- "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

And there are other verses in the Koran instructing to terrorize the infidels.
Where in the Bible does it say to commit crimes in the name of Christianity?
NY Maniac

Utica, NY

#11 Sep 15, 2012
observer wrote:
Quran (3:151)- "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
And there are other verses in the Koran instructing to terrorize the infidels.
Where in the Bible does it say to commit crimes in the name of Christianity?
Yep...you're right then, since you're not getting my point, Obama must be a Muslim
observer

Waterville, NY

#12 Sep 15, 2012
Obama's father was a Muslim. Obama attended a Muslim school in Indonesia as a young boy. Islam was ingrained in him during his younger years. He sides with the Middle Eastern countries that are Muslim. He does not favor Israel, and he snubbed Israel's leader. He bowed to the Saudi King. What more do we need to know? although there is so much more......also he attended a church for 20 years in which the pastor preached,"God Damn America." and don't forget, obama's wife was not proud to be an American until her husband ran for president.....just sayin!!!
NY Maniac

Utica, NY

#13 Sep 15, 2012
observer wrote:
Obama's father was a Muslim. Obama attended a Muslim school in Indonesia as a young boy. Islam was ingrained in him during his younger years. He sides with the Middle Eastern countries that are Muslim. He does not favor Israel, and he snubbed Israel's leader. He bowed to the Saudi King. What more do we need to know? although there is so much more......also he attended a church for 20 years in which the pastor preached,"God Damn America." and don't forget, obama's wife was not proud to be an American until her husband ran for president.....just sayin!!!
So you believe that it's freedom of Religion, as long as that religion is Christianity. That isn't how this works princessÂ…
observer

Waterville, NY

#14 Sep 15, 2012
NY Maniac wrote:
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So you believe that it's freedom of Religion, as long as that religion is Christianity. That isn't how this works princessÂ…
I did not say that. I truly believe in Freedom of Religion for all and any religions that do not terrorize or cause harm. Anyone and any group can start a religion....of course I do not agree with witchcraft and satanic religions that may cause harm to others...I'm sure you would agree.
The reason that the Pilgrims first came to America was because they did not have freedom of religion in England. When the Constitution was written, our forefathers who were Christians wanted to be sure that we would be free to practice Christianity.
I'm glad we live in a country where freedom of religion is our right.

Since: Jul 12

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#15 Sep 16, 2012
ALL the instances in the Quran that call on Muslims to engage in violence are restricted to situations where they are being oppressed, or killed themselves, or the religion is under attack. It is all purely defensive. You can take such lines out of context if you like, but it is disingenuous to do so.

It is also true that the greatest acts of violence, the largest piles of corpses, the greatest wars, pogroms, genocides, etc., were committed by individuals who were at least raised Christian and who lived in and led Christian majority societies. That does not mean Christianity is a violent religion. It means there have been and continue to be Christians that are violent. The same is true of Muslims (not Islam) but on a MUCH smaller scale. Get your facts straight and read some more history. And stop watching FOX or listening to idiotic preachers who just want to hate somebody else.
observer

Waterville, NY

#16 Sep 16, 2012
To Zitadelle...

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers.- Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah.- Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.- 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme.(different translation:) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely.- Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.- 2:216
(different translation:) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

Now find me a place in the BIBLE that commands to kill those who do not believe in Jesus or who persecute. The Christians that you are talking about on your post are NOT Christians. They did not commit their killing in the name of Jesus unless they were deranged. Don't you get it!!!
I do agree that not all Muslims follow the Koran and do as the Koran tells them. Therefore they are civil Muslims.

BTW I don't watch nor listen to Fox News...don't assume. Assumptions get you into trouble.

“I could be wrong.”

Since: Apr 11

The Internet

#17 Sep 16, 2012
observer wrote:
Now find me a place in the BIBLE that commands to kill those who do not believe in Jesus or who persecute.
Leviticus 24:16

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
observer

Waterville, NY

#18 Sep 16, 2012
Randall Stevens wrote:
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Leviticus 24:16
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
These scriptures are in the Old Testament, and these actions are no longer practiced. The New Testament starts when Jesus was born. Jesus did not preach that we should terrorize and kill. He preached love and peace. Christianity is about Christ....followers of Jesus. Where do you see Christians banning together to slaughter, kill, and terrorize?

Muslims are motivated to terrorism because the Quran tells them that fighting non-believers is a duty of every Muslim and the only way to be certain of going to heaven to enjoy untold sensual pleasures is to die fighting in the cause of Allah.

If they can make it to heaven, one of the rewards all Muslims are promised is 72 virgins. The number of virgins is not specified in Quran, it comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser known Hadith.("Hadith" is an Arabic word meaning traditions. After Muhammad's death, several collections of his deeds and sayings were assembled. These collections are called Hadith and form the second most authoritative document is Islam, right after the Quran.)
NY Maniac

Utica, NY

#19 Sep 16, 2012
observer wrote:
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These scriptures are in the Old Testament, and these actions are no longer practiced. The New Testament starts when Jesus was born. Jesus did not preach that we should terrorize and kill. He preached love and peace. Christianity is about Christ....followers of Jesus. Where do you see Christians banning together to slaughter, kill, and terrorize?
Muslims are motivated to terrorism because the Quran tells them that fighting non-believers is a duty of every Muslim and the only way to be certain of going to heaven to enjoy untold sensual pleasures is to die fighting in the cause of Allah.
If they can make it to heaven, one of the rewards all Muslims are promised is 72 virgins. The number of virgins is not specified in Quran, it comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser known Hadith.("Hadith" is an Arabic word meaning traditions. After Muhammad's death, several collections of his deeds and sayings were assembled. These collections are called Hadith and form the second most authoritative document is Islam, right after the Quran.)
Well ya know the Crusades were designed as a way of Christians to band together to slaughter, kill, and terrorize.

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Since: Apr 11

The Internet

#20 Sep 16, 2012
observer wrote:
The New Testament starts when Jesus was born.
Matthew 5:17-18?

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