3 Killed in Mo. Church Shooting

3 Killed in Mo. Church Shooting

There are 84 comments on the The Associated Press story from Aug 12, 2007, titled 3 Killed in Mo. Church Shooting . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

A gunman opened fire in the sanctuary of a southwest Missouri church Sunday, killing a pastor and two worshippers and wounding several others, authorities said.

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Donnie

Akron, OH

#83 Aug 16, 2007
Lynn27 wrote:
i completely disagree... yeah, just what we need, more A**holes walking around with weapons, most likely, without proper training and a logical rational mind. we'd be having shootouts everywhere.
Interesting prediction. Apparently you didn't notice that similar predictions were made before the "concealed carry" laws went into effect in Florida and Texas. But it didn't happen. Neither has it happened in Vermont, which hasn't had any state or local restrictions on firearms since 1911. The A**holes are the criminals; they will get weapons whenever they wish, regardless of laws. So we have little or no control over how many of them there are. On the other hand having more regular folk armed provides a counterbalance. The theory is sound and supported by empirical evidence.
Lynn27 wrote:
so you ask, why isn't a good shooter going to prevent a bad shooter from acting out? just when does the good guy shoot the bad guy? before he acts or after? if the good guy acts first, isn't he now the bad guy?
First, a bad person who is thinking about becoming a bad shooter is deterred by the knowledge that there are good shooters among the population. Even anti-gun folks admit that by their actions. I have never seen an anti-gun person post a "gun-free zone" sign on their house. Many vocal anti-gun zealots keep and use guns for their own protection, sometimes even in violation of the laws that they advocate. Other vocal anti-gun zealots hire armed guards. Also, a bad person who pulls out a gun sometimes hesitates before he begins shooting. When that happens in the presence of armed good shooters, the good shooters don't hesitate and the bad shooter never even gets a shot off. In other cases a bad shooter begins to shoot, but is not a good marksman. That gives the good shooters time to react and stop the bad shooting before anyone is harmed. In the worst cases, a bad shooter may actually hit somebody before he is stopped by a good shooter's bullet. But the bad shooter is still stopped before he shoots anyone else. Of course a good shooter can also stop bad people with pitchforks or knives.
Lynn27 wrote:
most places like churches don't allow weapons in the first place...<quoted text>
Which is why bad people pick such places to be bad.

“we don't torture? yeah right.”

Since: May 07

NE Ohio

#84 Aug 16, 2007
ok, a lot-o-speculation, but you'd need to show me examples of a good shooter stopping a bad shooter. Don't think you can, because you probably would have cited it already. where is this 'real world' "empirical evidence"?
Donnie wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting prediction. Apparently you didn't notice that similar predictions were made before the "concealed carry" laws went into effect in Florida and Texas. But it didn't happen. Neither has it happened in Vermont, which hasn't had any state or local restrictions on firearms since 1911. The A**holes are the criminals; they will get weapons whenever they wish, regardless of laws. So we have little or no control over how many of them there are. On the other hand having more regular folk armed provides a counterbalance. The theory is sound and supported by empirical evidence.
<quoted text>First, a bad person who is thinking about becoming a bad shooter is deterred by the knowledge that there are good shooters among the population. Even anti-gun folks admit that by their actions. I have never seen an anti-gun person post a "gun-free zone" sign on their house. Many vocal anti-gun zealots keep and use guns for their own protection, sometimes even in violation of the laws that they advocate. Other vocal anti-gun zealots hire armed guards. Also, a bad person who pulls out a gun sometimes hesitates before he begins shooting. When that happens in the presence of armed good shooters, the good shooters don't hesitate and the bad shooter never even gets a shot off. In other cases a bad shooter begins to shoot, but is not a good marksman. That gives the good shooters time to react and stop the bad shooting before anyone is harmed. In the worst cases, a bad shooter may actually hit somebody before he is stopped by a good shooter's bullet. But the bad shooter is still stopped before he shoots anyone else. Of course a good shooter can also stop bad people with pitchforks or knives.
<quoted text>Which is why bad people pick such places to be bad.
ANON

Piedmont, OK

#86 Jul 22, 2010
Tim wrote:
Thank God the suspect atleast let the children leave the room, else there is no telling how many would have lost their life.
None of us are safe anywhere any more. People are shot and killed at churches, schools, universities, offices, shopping malls, in trains (subways) etc.
The recent shootings in Newark, NJ, reminds us of troubled times we live in. The President has just about told the States and the local municipalities that they should not expect funds from the Federal government and that, protecting people is their job. Violent crime is up because all the Federal dollars are going to Iraq - the Black Hole Mr. Bush created.
Oh but he made WOMEN stay??? yeah, how MANLY.
Anderson Guy

United States

#87 Sep 12, 2010
I know the wife of one of the men that was killed. I can see how hard it is for Marita even to this day. Why does this kind of forum always turn into Bush bashing? I will be the first to admit he wasn't the brightest president we ever had, but he did care about standing up to terrorists. And these micronesians are not muslim.

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