Minnesota House votes to halt seat-be...

Minnesota House votes to halt seat-belt stops

There are 51 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 18, 2011, titled Minnesota House votes to halt seat-belt stops. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

By all measures, Minnesota's 2-year-old primary seat-belt law has saved lives. But late Monday, as the state House debated a judiciary bill, an amendment repealing it was approved on a bipartisan basis.

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edward eubanks

United States

#1 May 18, 2011
Kill the law.

Make it mandatory for toddlers to be in car seats and for children of a certain age to be strapped down and I won't fight it..

Ban smoking in public places and apartment dwellings and I will readily admit the protection such laws afford to nonsmokers.

I am not even opposed to legislation which bans the bringing of firearms into certain places. Especially political rallies.

I am all in favor of laws protecting the young. I am all in favor of laws that protect others from fools. I am not in favor of laws that protect fools from themselves.

I am such a fool. I don't smoke dope or drink alcohol, but I sure as hell want the right to do so if I choose. I want the right to eat greasy, fatty fried food when I like (guilty) and to ride with what's left of my hair flowing freely in the wind while I sit unrestrained in an automobile. I am a fool and goddamn it I have the right to be one. I don't want somebody else's Aunt Margaret telling me how to eat all my spinach or to wear a seatbelt.

If this state chose not to force motorcyclist's to wear helmets, why the hell does it bother checking to see if I'm buckled down? I'll tell you why: BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT RAKING IN FINE MONEY.

I don't have any money. Leave me the hell alone!

Daniel

Saint Paul, MN

#2 May 18, 2011
This is a good law. The house should be ashamed.
To Mr. Eubanks above. If this was all about money, I don't see enough speeders on the road-side talking to the coppers. I don't see the morons that pass on the shoulder in a no passing zone pulled over by the coppers. This eff-ing state has some of the most H.S. drivers in the 40 that I've driven through. These bastards can't even remember in this state that if the weather is bad enough to used your wipers, you must hit the button to turn your lights on. No morons, your automatic lights turn your fronts on, not your tail lights. Sheeh!!!
MNMaid

Minnetonka, MN

#3 May 18, 2011
edward eubanks wrote:
Kill the law.
Make it mandatory for toddlers to be in car seats and for children of a certain age to be strapped down and I won't fight it..
Ban smoking in public places and apartment dwellings and I will readily admit the protection such laws afford to nonsmokers.
I am not even opposed to legislation which bans the bringing of firearms into certain places. Especially political rallies.
I am all in favor of laws protecting the young. I am all in favor of laws that protect others from fools. I am not in favor of laws that protect fools from themselves.
I am such a fool. I don't smoke dope or drink alcohol, but I sure as hell want the right to do so if I choose. I want the right to eat greasy, fatty fried food when I like (guilty) and to ride with what's left of my hair flowing freely in the wind while I sit unrestrained in an automobile. I am a fool and goddamn it I have the right to be one. I don't want somebody else's Aunt Margaret telling me how to eat all my spinach or to wear a seatbelt.
If this state chose not to force motorcyclist's to wear helmets, why the hell does it bother checking to see if I'm buckled down? I'll tell you why: BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT RAKING IN FINE MONEY.
I don't have any money. Leave me the hell alone!
Yeah, go ahead and not wear one. But if somebody that is wearing one is involved in an accident with you, and you're ejected from your vehicle and killed, who's going to protect the other belted driver from your family when they sue for wrongful death?
Mike

Winona, MN

#4 May 18, 2011
Out state residents use seat restraints at a much lower rate than urban citizens and this is what is driving the repeal act offered by Mr. Rukavina and the guy from Good Thunder.

Good points about the seat belt law by Edward Ubanks (motorcycle helments) and MNMaid (lawsuits over seat belt non use)

Pass it, don't pass it, I could care less. Now, can we get back to crafting a budget bill that will actually survive a governors veto?
edward eubanks

Minneapolis, MN

#5 May 18, 2011
Daniel wrote:
This is a good law. The house should be ashamed.
To Mr. Eubanks above. If this was all about money, I don't see enough speeders on the road-side talking to the coppers. I don't see the morons that pass on the shoulder in a no passing zone pulled over by the coppers. This eff-ing state has some of the most H.S. drivers in the 40 that I've driven through. These bastards can't even remember in this state that if the weather is bad enough to used your wipers, you must hit the button to turn your lights on. No morons, your automatic lights turn your fronts on, not your tail lights. Sheeh!!!
I watched them debate the bill that was enacted into law. What I heard over and over and over again was the discussion of fines and revenue. Now, I don't know why I was surprised. The concept of "speed-traps" has been around for 80 years. Revenue enhancements for small towns. However, for the longest time, I thought the states were above this kind of rag-wringing. Wrong. State jumps in and grab its fill of the fig. Watching it on television made it crystal clear. The legislators were looking for ways to raise money.

I don't mind paying a tax. If more money is needed for funding highways, tell the citizenry that and ask them to pay for it in a straight-forward money. All I see with these fines is an attempt to tax by directing legislation at unsympathetic groups (speeders, smokers, and now non-seat belt users).
edward eubanks

Minneapolis, MN

#6 May 18, 2011
^^grab its/grabs its
straight-forward money/straight forward manner.
Big brother

Prineville, OR

#7 May 18, 2011
So I can drive a motorcycle with no helmet or seat belt but when I am in my car the police can stop me if it looks like I am not wearing a seat belt??

Its not about my safety

The Feds are holding back the money they took from us earlier if we don;t capitulate to the demands of some unelected bureaucrat.

Is it still against the law to pretend you are talking on your cell phone??
Continence

Cold Spring, MN

#8 May 18, 2011
This could almost make me vote Democrat sometime.
Continence

Cold Spring, MN

#9 May 18, 2011
Just the other day I made a choice to run down the street with a pair of scissors in my hand as I was going to my neighbors house to climb unto the top wrung of the ladder to get onto his icy roof.

It was a close call though, I saw an enforcer for the Law Enforcement Industry in an unmarked car with his lights off at the corner.....and had to walk slower (at an approved pace), and delay the roof adventure until she moved her squad to another more profitable location.

I derive sich serenity just knowing the Enforcers of the Law are out there doing expensive, but critical work on MY behalf.

Since: Jan 09

United States of America

#10 May 18, 2011
I'm not going to comment on the law itself, but rather the stupid things that are taking up the legislators time, Banning gays from marrying, and a seat belt law being enforced? Throw all the bums out, they still don't get it.
Communism

United States

#11 May 18, 2011
This is a bad law! As long as an action does not directly affect, injure, harrass or interfere with another, then the government should stay the HELL out of it! We are free people in a free society and if one chooses not to wear a seatbelt, then they alone suffer the consequences of their stupidity! Government stay out of it and stop trying to save everybody from everything!
personal responsibility

Hoffman, MN

#12 May 18, 2011
personal responsibility wins here. most people understand that the level of seat belt use is directly correlated to how we bring up and train our children in their use and the example we set for them.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#13 May 18, 2011
Good move.

Now, go back to work cutting the budget.
LeDumbo

Saint Paul, MN

#14 May 18, 2011
Daniel wrote:
This is a good law. The house should be ashamed.
To Mr. Eubanks above. If this was all about money, I don't see enough speeders on the road-side talking to the coppers. I don't see the morons that pass on the shoulder in a no passing zone pulled over by the coppers. This eff-ing state has some of the most H.S. drivers in the 40 that I've driven through. These bastards can't even remember in this state that if the weather is bad enough to used your wipers, you must hit the button to turn your lights on. No morons, your automatic lights turn your fronts on, not your tail lights. Sheeh!!!
I got one of those tickets,$25 for the ticket,$90 in court costs to pay for lots of things unrelated to enforcement of the law. Almost $125 for a $25 ticket. That is out of control.
Continence

Cold Spring, MN

#15 May 18, 2011
The Totalitarian Leftist that pushed the Law originaly (Murphy)...said at the time that it will never become a "Primary" offense.....one year later guess what?....you "Primary Offense"

It aint just the Leftists though...there is a new Totalitarian on the Right named Cornyish....this Brownshirt wears a tie that is modeled after a "Do Not Cross Police Line" tape and thinks himself the Sherrif in town....kinda sad, like a little boy (with size issues).
Continence

Cold Spring, MN

#16 May 18, 2011
******
Wow!

f-a-sc-ii-st
HeyMoron

Hopkins, MN

#17 May 18, 2011
You can't legislate against stupidity. If someone does not want to use a working safety device then let them go. If they get thrown out a wind shield then it's on them.
Celtmom

Minneapolis, MN

#18 May 18, 2011
Problem is though; it's not just on the person not wearing the seat belt. Millions of tax dollars are used for medical care for people who sustain injuries in a crash who are not belted -- health care costs, disability income, social security payments for family members left behind, etc
LeDumbo

Saint Paul, MN

#19 May 18, 2011
Celtmom wrote:
Problem is though; it's not just on the person not wearing the seat belt. Millions of tax dollars are used for medical care for people who sustain injuries in a crash who are not belted -- health care costs, disability income, social security payments for family members left behind, etc
Problem is, a $25 ticket shouldn't cost you $125 when court "costs" are factored in. Its a revenue grab, plain and simple.
Celtmom

Minneapolis, MN

#20 May 18, 2011
LeDumbo wrote:
<quoted text>Problem is, a $25 ticket shouldn't cost you $125 when court "costs" are factored in. Its a revenue grab, plain and simple.
You could always just wear your seat belt :)

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