House panel rejects bill to expand ri...

House panel rejects bill to expand right to shoot in self defense

There are 2 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Mar 14, 2008, titled House panel rejects bill to expand right to shoot in self defense. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

A Minnesota House committee rejected a bill that would have expanded the right of people to use deadly force to defend themselves in their homes, businesses or cars if they feel they're in imminent danger.

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Red Ryder

Monroe, LA

#1 Mar 14, 2008
****TX: Victim's wife shoots at home invaders****

http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/3/12/988076/V...

HIDALGO COUNTY - Two gunmen involved in a home invasion were chased away by the victim's wife.
"I was in shock. I'm still in shock. I can't believe this happened," she tells us. We're hiding the woman's identity and will call her "Michelle."
She tells us her husband is extremely careful on who he lets on his property. But last night's incident started when the homeowner went outside to close the gate.

According to "Michelle," two masked men pulled into the driveway with guns in hand, demanding drugs and money.
She tells us, "He said,'I don't have anything. I don't know what you're talking about. I just have children and my wife inside. Y'all need to leave.'"
The men reportedly tried to force "Michelle's" husband to open the door to his home. But the former security guard fought back.
"Michelle" says she was watching it all from inside her home.
She tells us, "I reached for the gun. It was up here. Then I got some shells from in here."

She says, "I keep telling him,'Duck and I'll shoot! Duck and I'll shoot.' And he said,'No, don't! Don't!' And I was debating whether to shoot or not."
"Then i just shot that way. The truck was right there."
The shots spooked the intruders and forced them to flee. A tree outside is still marked by the pellets.
"You hear about thing like this happening, but you never think it will happen to you," "Michelle" tells us.
The shotgun was taken by deputies for the investigation. But the couple says they'll be buying another gun.

"We should feel at home in our own home. We shouldn't feel frightened or afraid of anybody. This is our home," says "Michelle."
We learned the couple has a security camera outside. The Hidalgo County Sheriff's Office needs your help tracking down the suspects. The two Hispanic men were armed with pistols. We're told they were traveling in a low rider, silver-colored Chevy pickup.
If you have any information on this case, call the Hidalgo County Sheriff's Office at 668-TIPS.

State law allows a person to use deadly force to defend their property. Texas is also one of several states with a "Stand Your Ground" clause. This means an individual doesn't have to let an intruder or attacker know they intend to use deadly force.

**********yep, we don't need this "useless law" here. yep, un-huh.....why shucks, it'll become 'Dodge City'!!!******
Red Ryder

Monroe, LA

#2 Mar 14, 2008
It does seem to have merit when one considers the preferential treatment given to lawbreakers. In the majority of the states – New York included - you cannot use deadly force to protect yourself, your family or your property unless you make some accommodations for the invader.

Even though the perp obviously does not have your best interests in mind, you must afford him a considerable level of respect and safety with your "duty to retreat".

In 2005 Florida passed the nation’s first "Castle Doctrine" and many states have followed with similar legislation which is sometimes called a "stand your ground" bill. These much-needed laws say that you have the right to protect your "castle", which in all such states is your home while in some states it also ****includes automobiles and offices.***

It casts aside the duty to retreat and allows the homeowner to make an immediate decision to protect property and life. This is because the Castle Doctrine rightly presumes that an individual forcefully and illegally entering one’s domain is intent on doing so using all means possible, which include force and violence.

The Castle Doctrine does not demand that the homeowner show beyond the shadow of a doubt that the evildoer was intent on harming anyone within the premises. Illegal behavior itself is suspicion enough.
****This absolves the homeowner of any wrongdoing were he to pull the trigger. The protective homeowner is excluded from criminal prosecution and also from civil lawsuits, so all bases are covered. The victim of the home invasion – not the aggressor - comes out on top, living to see another day and being free of prosecution, just as it should be.****

In the two years since Florida’s bold move, 18 other states have followed suit. Let us hope that some day soon New York State picks up the ball and runs with it, because right now, if you chose to protect your castle and those in it, you, not the perpetrator, would be identified as the criminal. There’s something very, very wrong with that.

"Pacifists are among the most immoral of men - they make no distinction between aggression and defense. Therefore, pacifism is one of the greatest allies an aggressor can have." - Patrick Henry

I saw an interesting bumper sticker the other day:
"I'm already against the next war"

Kind of sums up the pacifist mentality. When nothing is worth fighting for, you're left with nothing.

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