Two fires raging along California cen...

Two fires raging along California central coast

There are 17 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Jul 5, 2008, titled Two fires raging along California central coast. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

A pair of out-of-control wildfires roared along California's central coast Friday, chewing through opposite ends of a parched forest and threatening more than 4,500 homes hundreds of miles apart.

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Ed Nemechek

Palmdale, CA

#1 Jul 5, 2008
THE MARS BOMBERS ARE GREAT BUT THEY CARRY ONLY HALF THE WATER LOAD OF A SUPERTANKER. WE OWE IT TO THE FIREFIGHTERS AND EVERYONE ELSE TO BRING IN THE 7 SUPERTANKERS THEY'RE NOT USING, BEFORE MORE PEOPLE ARE HURT-OR WORSE!-Call the Governor (see: waterbomber.org -or: evergreen supertanker -on internet. I might add also that the main strategy followed by the California and U.S. fire agencies seems to be to tell people to trim their bushes and pray for rain (in other words, blame the victims-which seems to be what government is good at). We'd better abolish these predatory agencies and let people contract their own fire protection. Of course if we did that, there wouldn't be any out of control wildfires because they would be put out immediatly by private operators and Supertankers whose paychecks depend on results instead of time-serving bureautic stagnation as we've had for decades. Further, in commenting on the runaway wildfires in northern California I wish to observe again that Supertankers are THE answer to wildfires if used in the BEGINNING of the fires, instead of waiting until the deadly fire spreads to monumental proportions (as the fire services usually do) as it has now. If the 6 Russian Supertankers and Boeing- 747 up in Oregon were called in now the fires could possibly still be put out. But I expect the fire officials to dither around for months, as usual, and never bring in the Supertankers that can do the job. We should call the Governor and demand these 7 more Supertankers now, and a future investigation of the top fire officials.-Ed Nemechek.([email protected] et)



Cary Dice

Waxhaw, NC

#2 Jul 5, 2008
Ed Nemechek wrote:
THE MARS BOMBERS ARE GREAT BUT THEY CARRY ONLY HALF THE WATER LOAD OF A SUPERTANKER. WE OWE IT TO THE FIREFIGHTERS AND EVERYONE ELSE TO BRING IN THE 7 SUPERTANKERS THEY'RE NOT USING, BEFORE MORE PEOPLE ARE HURT-OR WORSE!-Call the Governor (see: waterbomber.org -or: evergreen supertanker -on internet. I might add also that the main strategy followed by the California and U.S. fire agencies seems to be to tell people to trim their bushes and pray for rain (in other words, blame the victims-which seems to be what government is good at). We'd better abolish these predatory agencies and let people contract their own fire protection. Of course if we did that, there wouldn't be any out of control wildfires because they would be put out immediatly by private operators and Supertankers whose paychecks depend on results instead of time-serving bureautic stagnation as we've had for decades. Further, in commenting on the runaway wildfires in northern California I wish to observe again that Supertankers are THE answer to wildfires if used in the BEGINNING of the fires, instead of waiting until the deadly fire spreads to monumental proportions (as the fire services usually do) as it has now. If the 6 Russian Supertankers and Boeing- 747 up in Oregon were called in now the fires could possibly still be put out. But I expect the fire officials to dither around for months, as usual, and never bring in the Supertankers that can do the job. We should call the Governor and demand these 7 more Supertankers now, and a future investigation of the top fire officials.-Ed Nemechek.([email protected] et)
I just saw a TV program on History Channel about Evergreen's convertible 747 freighters that can serve as huge aerial tankers. Looking on the internet, I see Evergreen doesn't have any converted to tanker right now as the government won't bring them in to fight the fires. This is absolutely nuts!
Save Big Sur

Chico, CA

#3 Jul 5, 2008
Can hardly believe such a lovely place is in
jeapordy. What about Monterrey? Any losses there?
Wooty

West Tehama County, CA

#4 Jul 5, 2008
Burn, Baby, Burn!!!

in the meantime, we are all helpless to nature's wrath because of the ineptness of government

privatization and deregulation didn't go so well for the oil, airline, phone, and electricity industries.. what makes you think it will work for the fire agencies? I agree with you that bureaucracy is failing, but privatization isn't the answer either...
Sam

Sloughhouse, CA

#5 Jul 5, 2008
blame whoever you want people, this is about climate change. This is just the beginning of what we can expect as things heat up. There is no "fire season" now as we know it. As far as contracting personal home protection, it's not happening and the current situation (hindsite) here in California is proof of that. So I guess you have to do the blame-game now. There will never be enough tankers to be in all places at once.
Debbie

Vina, CA

#6 Jul 5, 2008
Save Big Sur wrote:
Can hardly believe such a lovely place is in
jeapordy. What about Monterrey? Any losses there?
We had the 747 tanker fighting our humbolt fire. I know cause I saw the pilot, while he was in the flying plane..
Pat

Maxwell, CA

#7 Jul 5, 2008
i know the plane is part of aero union's force,anybody know who the pilot of 00 is?
mary

Victoria, Canada

#8 Jul 7, 2008
Just to let everybody know that the Martin Mars Water Bomber from Port Alberni (Vancouver Island) B.C. carries and drops the largest amount of water of any firefighting plane, 747's don't land on lakes and scoop up water, they only have the ability to drop fire retardent,the Mars water bomber does both.They are the biggest in the world, be grateful it is there to help.
Ed Nemechek

Victorville, CA

#9 Aug 8, 2008
Debbie wrote:
<quoted text>
We had the 747 tanker fighting our humbolt fire. I know cause I saw the pilot, while he was in the flying plane..
----------THAT WAS A DC-10. The 747 has NEVER been used on a fire since it was authorized 2 years ago.---------STOP THE FIRES WITH SUPERTANKERS -and we won't have these tragedies-- see:

To find out about the Jumbo Jet Supertankers (that will stop these fires cold) that the US Forest Service and CalFire ARE NOT USING - see: evergreen supertanker (on internet) and waterbomber.org ,also see: JBS.org (search: wildfire)([email protected] et)
Ed Nemechek

Victorville, CA

#10 Aug 8, 2008
mary wrote:
Just to let everybody know that the Martin Mars Water Bomber from Port Alberni (Vancouver Island) B.C. carries and drops the largest amount of water of any firefighting plane, 747's don't land on lakes and scoop up water, they only have the ability to drop fire retardent,the Mars water bomber does both.They are the biggest in the world, be grateful it is there to help.
----------The Mars water bomber sooper scooper carries 7200 gallons of water or retardant and the 747 carries 24,000 gallons of water or retardant. STOP THE FIRES WITH SUPERTANKERS -and we won't have these tragedies-- see:

To find out about the 7 Jumbo Jet Supertankers (that will stop these fires cold) that the US Forest Service and CalFire ARE NOT USING - see: evergreen supertanker (on internet) and waterbomber.org ,also see: JBS.org (search: wildfire)([email protected] et)
Ed Nemechek

Victorville, CA

#11 Aug 8, 2008
mary wrote:
Just to let everybody know that the Martin Mars Water Bomber from Port Alberni (Vancouver Island) B.C. carries and drops the largest amount of water of any firefighting plane, 747's don't land on lakes and scoop up water, they only have the ability to drop fire retardent,the Mars water bomber does both.They are the biggest in the world, be grateful it is there to help.
----------The 747 has NEVER been used on a fire since it was authorized 2 years ago. It's the largest at 24,000 gallons per load---------STOP THE FIRES WITH SUPERTANKERS -and we won't have these tragedies-- see:

To find out about the 7 Jumbo Jet Supertankers (that will stop these fires cold) that the US Forest Service and CalFire ARE NOT USING - see: evergreen supertanker (on internet) and waterbomber.org ,also see: JBS.org (search: wildfire)([email protected] et)
Vick

Chico, CA

#12 Aug 8, 2008
Ed Nemechek wrote:
<quoted text>----------The 747 has NEVER been used on a fire since it was authorized 2 years ago. It's the largest at 24,000 gallons per load---------STOP THE FIRES WITH SUPERTANKERS -and we won't have these tragedies-- see:
To find out about the 7 Jumbo Jet Supertankers (that will stop these fires cold) that the US Forest Service and CalFire ARE NOT USING - see: evergreen supertanker (on internet) and waterbomber.org ,also see: JBS.org (search: wildfire)([email protected] et)
I think Ed has "SUPERTANKER" tattooed across his chest. Just let the fires burn. It's a natural occurrence that is good for the forest. If you built your house in fire country, oh well, it's gonna burn.
Ed Nemechek

San Dimas, CA

#13 Aug 9, 2008
REPLY TO: Vick (of Chico, CA.):-- MAN MUST CONQUER NATURE or be conqured by Nature -- I'm posting a lengthy letter that pretty well covers the waterfront so to speak regarding the purpose of firefighting, which is to PUT FIRES OUT and protect HUMAN interests as opposed to Natures' interests (which are largely fictional). Spicifically, of course, there is truth in what you're saying but it detracts from our essential duty to protect life and property as opposed to the age old ebb and flow of the cosmic scheme of things. Mans' success as a species is dependent on his ability to modify his environment to protect and maintain his body tamperature as opposed to the body temperature of bears and lizards, etc.. If the fires were put out at the fire start with Supertankers, instead of allowing Nature to have its' way, all this human destruction would have been avoided. Nature is to be used by man for the betterment of man, not the rocks and rattlesnakes. Check out the following websites and letter for more info.:-- A letter to Editor answering some frequent questions about Supertankers. There have been a lot of questions so I'll try to address what I can. I'm a taxpayer as opposed to the 'expert' classification (I might caution here that I've discovered in life that so-called experts are usually the WORST sources of advice as demonstrated by the crude attacks on me in various news postings by people who obviously are making money off these fires and don't want to see the fires end). Supertankers are relatively cheap when we realize that the average cost of standard firefighting methods is $2 million per day,($50 million per week in northern Calif. recently with no positive results) not including damages. Supertankers charge around $7,000 per hour with $5 million up front money for the whole fire season. If called in on the fire in the beginning of the fire (which the fire officials always REFUSE to do BY POLICY) the Supertankers will usually put the fire out in 17 seconds after they get there or one or two days at the most (this is in other countries where the fire officials actually give a damn about life and suffering). Yes I am saying that a Supertanker fleet of about 8 aircraft will end all uncontrolled wildfires in our country forever and probably other countries also. As far as the dry timber and brush accumulating, the private lumber companies, I'm sure, will be happy to clear out and thin the forests and greatly increase fire prevention and boost the economy by tremendously increasing jobs and lumber production (see:JBS.org (search: wildfire). Of course the NorCal fires could have been stopped in the beginning if the Supertankers would have been called IN THE BEGINNING as there are 7 Supertankers that were NEVER called at all and still have not been. The DC-10 was called the same morning AFTER MASSIVE DESTRUCTION,- 3 firefighters burned, one woman died of a heart attack, 74 homes, 6,000 acres and 2 fire engines burned. AS USUAL the Supertanker was brought in TOO LATE (which is what CalFire is REAL GOOD AT). WE MUST STOP THE FIRE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX FROM BURNING CALIFORNIA EVERY YEAR TO INCREASE THEIR POWER AND PROFITS.---------SUPERTANKRS WORK EXTREMELY WELL ANYWHERE. The problem is we only have ONE of them and are NOT using 7 more that are available thereby deliderately promoting the money making fires the fire officials love so much.---To find out about the Jumbo Jet Supertankers (that will stop these fires cold) that the US Forest Service and CalFire ARE NOT USING - see: evergreen supertanker (on internet) and waterbomber.org ------ also I might add that I blame the TOP FIRE OFFICIALS for this -not the ground troops who do the best they can with a deliberately created bad situation.-- ED Nemechek-([email protected] et)-Check out the above Supertanker websites for more info.
Ed Nemechek

San Dimas, CA

#14 Aug 9, 2008
Vick wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Ed has "SUPERTANKER" tattooed across his chest. Just let the fires burn. It's a natural occurrence that is good for the forest. If you built your house in fire country, oh well, it's gonna burn.
----------MAN MUST CONQUER NATURE or be conquered by Nature--Ed ([email protected])
Mr Moose

Hurleyville, NY

#15 Aug 9, 2008
Sam wrote:
blame whoever you want people, this is about climate change. This is just the beginning of what we can expect as things heat up. There is no "fire season" now as we know it. As far as contracting personal home protection, it's not happening and the current situation (hindsite) here in California is proof of that. So I guess you have to do the blame-game now. There will never be enough tankers to be in all places at once.
THe sky is falling, the sky is falling. It is all George Bush' fault, home, the Republicans, the conservatives, and especially those Christians. Only a one world Marxist dictatorship can save us all now.
Edward

Chico, CA

#16 Aug 9, 2008
Mr Moose wrote:
<quoted text>
THe sky is falling, the sky is falling. It is all George Bush' fault, home, the Republicans, the conservatives, and especially those Christians. Only a one world Marxist dictatorship can save us all now.
Ha ha I sense some sarcasm. Nice.
Retired Firefighter

Apple Valley, CA

#17 Sep 3, 2009
In case the rest of you don't know it, Mr. Nemechek is a whackjob. Google his name if you don't yet believe me.

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