“Breaking the spell”

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#35850 Feb 13, 2013
The Enemy Within wrote:
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Of not crush please explain how it will expand and grow the economy oh wise one.
The little man getting a bit more cash goes instantly back into the economy. Unlike the cash made by the wealthy. They are notorious for hourding up cash thus stifling the economy.
The little man is the one buying the products being made. It keeps the wheels turning. This is a basic economic truth.
Swanson

Chicago, IL

#35851 Feb 13, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
I live in the trenches.According to the govt.I live in poverty.So, of course, almost everyone I know gets a govt.check, plus food stamps.Of the twenty two people here that I know get govt.checks, nineteen of them are drug addicts.Most of their money and food stamps go to support their habits.
You need to be in the trenches, idiot. You're unemployable because you're just another lazy idiot, which the taxpayers are supporting. You can't and won't work, like your fat ass whale blubber. You and your tub of lard can afford to lay on your worthless lazy backsides on computers, all day and night, criticizing the world and crying about how your lowlife lazy asses deserve more. Computers bought by hard working law-abiding taxpayers, by way of a couple of SSI Nut Checks. You're nothing but a bunch of pathetic white trash parasitic boils, just like your alley junkie allies.

“Breaking the spell”

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#35852 Feb 13, 2013
LuLu wrote:
<quoted text>Just asking, how many hours a week are you using? When I worked for Belk, full time was 32 hours a week.
40 hours is what Obama spoke of last night. 32 or more hours may be technically considered full time, but that was not the point of the matter Obama was discussing.
Maybe you just heard Obama saying, spend spend spend?

“ We are not permanent”

Since: Oct 08

Gaston County

#35853 Feb 13, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>The little man getting a bit more cash goes instantly back into the economy. Unlike the cash made by the wealthy. They are notorious for hourding up cash thus stifling the economy.
The little man is the one buying the products being made. It keeps the wheels turning. This is a basic economic truth.
Prices for consumer goods will increase. That's a fact.

The minimum wage increase to $9 an hour is not the answer.

Does it not cost more to live in Hawaii than NC?

Of course it does.

Someone in NC making $28K annually would need to make $50K to maintain the same lifestyle.

The minimum wage could be increased to $10,$20, or $50 dollars an hour but that will not necessarily present a livable wage because all additional cost are passed on to the consumer.

As "TSF" there would be an increase in government revenue but I am certain this too would be squandered and accounted for before it is ever collected.

What am I thinking....this "potential" revenue increase was spent before it was proposed.

“Breaking the spell”

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#35854 Feb 13, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>Who are you to say what someone else needs?
Cutting entitlements isn't about making the rich richer, that's absurd. It's about taking the power away from govt and putting it back into the hands of those that need help and allowing them to use that power to rise from poverty.
Cutting entitlements would not make the rich richer. Why? Because those people buy what the rich are selling, thus making them rich.
Now some rich people are so greedy and blind to who is buying their products, they lose sight of this big picture. Thus they think cutting entitlements will get them a tax cut. Maybe it will, but a tax cut is not much help if people have no money to buy your products. It is a vicious circle, otherwise known as an economy.
Note how countries with a stronger middle class are the ones who have a strong upper class.
The fewer people in poverty, the more the rich will get richer.

I am not saying spread the wealth evenly, I am saying if wealth is spread out a bit, we all get richer and the rich get even richer.

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#35855 Feb 13, 2013
TSF wrote:
In a few years , when the feds stop the program, then NC would have to pick up the cost after that time. That is the only quasi reasonable explaination for the refusal.
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Exactly. Why continue to take now and have a bigger sum, plus interest if any, to pay back later when you can start to pay it back now? It's called being fiscally responsible.....it's a new concept to the Commucrats!

“Breaking the spell”

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#35856 Feb 13, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
Allen I don't know what media outlet you scanned, but the Catholic Church IS FAR FROM BANKRUPT! I'm going to dig around a bit and see if I can come up with some non biased facts regarding their financial situation.
As long as some people will believe in claims with zero evidence to back up the claims, the churches will be rolling in the dough.

Since: Dec 11

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#35857 Feb 13, 2013
TEW wrote:
Sounds as someone is FINALLY being fiscally responsible!!<quoted text>
TSF wrote:
Yea, right!!! Like when they gave an ADDITIONAL $50,000 tax BREAK to each and every attorney in each and every law firm in the entire state of NC .
Refusing the money could be viewed as responsible IF the money had been applied to the national debt principal, but that will not happen. All it does is make NC poor the whipping boy for the republikans. That attitude is why they are the party of stupid. They are just being republikans, another word for assholes.
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I think TEW was referring to you!

Since: Dec 11

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#35858 Feb 13, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>Cutting entitlements would not make the rich richer. Why? Because those people buy what the rich are selling, thus making them rich.
Now some rich people are so greedy and blind to who is buying their products, they lose sight of this big picture. Thus they think cutting entitlements will get them a tax cut. Maybe it will, but a tax cut is not much help if people have no money to buy your products. It is a vicious circle, otherwise known as an economy.
Note how countries with a stronger middle class are the ones who have a strong upper class.
The fewer people in poverty, the more the rich will get richer.
I am not saying spread the wealth evenly, I am saying if wealth is spread out a bit, we all get richer and the rich get even richer.
Agreed to an extent, the problem is the ideology of your party. With the way the Ruler is addressing the issue it isn't about bringing up the poor, it's about bringing down the rich and the middle class. It's been tried this way time and time again, it doesn't work. The poor stay poor, the middle class become poor, and the rich become middle class, leaving all of the wealth for the ones in control.....the govt!

“ We are not permanent”

Since: Oct 08

Gaston County

#35859 Feb 13, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>40 hours is what Obama spoke of last night. 32 or more hours may be technically considered full time, but that was not the point of the matter Obama was discussing.
Maybe you just heard Obama saying, spend spend spend?
Spend Spend Spend...you heard it too?

I heard him say "it will not cost a dime". However under his watch he has increased the national debt by $58.6 trillion dimes.

“ We are not permanent”

Since: Oct 08

Gaston County

#35860 Feb 13, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>You greedy bastards always claim an increase will crush the economy. Keep crying wolf.
The Employment Policies Institute claimed the proposed minimum wage increase could lead to companies shedding 467,000 jobs.

I guess that's not to crushing on an already stagnate economy.

Since: Dec 11

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#35861 Feb 13, 2013
TSF wrote:
You make a good a point that government bureucrats are unresponsive to their constituents. Mecklenberg voted down the arena, so the bureaucrats built it anyway, with the voters money. Now, they are giving Carolina Panthers $130 million of taxpayer money while the streets are full of potholes. Kind of like taking poor people's money to give Broyhill (Furniture Brands International)$4,000,000 of taxpayer money to cut out jobs. We need to start amputating the hands of persons stealing from the public treasury---right below the ears. That is what it will take to stop this madness.
TSF wrote:
Our republikan NC legislature is really helping NC "save" money right now. They just voted down receiving 800 million dollars of federal money to pay insurance premiums for poor people who cannot afford insurance. Also, they just voted to lower the maximum unemploymewnt payments to $350 starting this summer. That eliminates $ 2 billion more federal dollars coming into NC for unemployed persons to buy groceries, medicine etc. So, to make a political statement, republikans just cut off the flow of $2,800,000,000 dollars into NC. Exactly how that will improve our economy hasnt been considered.( it is like shooting the economy in the foot) I just wish republikans would stop "helping" so much.
How can you make the first post then come back with the second? Sounds contradicting to me!

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#35862 Feb 13, 2013
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
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Run! Everyone run! Another democrat on the loose playing the blame game!!!
Here Here

“Breaking the spell”

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#35863 Feb 13, 2013
The Enemy Within wrote:
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Prices for consumer goods will increase. That's a fact.
The minimum wage increase to $9 an hour is not the answer.
Does it not cost more to live in Hawaii than NC?
Of course it does.
Someone in NC making $28K annually would need to make $50K to maintain the same lifestyle.
The minimum wage could be increased to $10,$20, or $50 dollars an hour but that will not necessarily present a livable wage because all additional cost are passed on to the consumer.
As "TSF" there would be an increase in government revenue but I am certain this too would be squandered and accounted for before it is ever collected.
What am I thinking....this "potential" revenue increase was spent before it was proposed.
If a producer is already paying a living wage, no prices must need increase. Those who are screwing his employees might raise prices. Those who are not competitive may fail.

This debate has been argued for a hundred years in America. There are no absolutes here.

“Breaking the spell”

Since: Feb 13

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#35864 Feb 13, 2013
The Enemy Within wrote:
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The Employment Policies Institute claimed the proposed minimum wage increase could lead to companies shedding 467,000 jobs.
I guess that's not to crushing on an already stagnate economy.
Thanks for telling us what the conservative think tank believes.

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#35865 Feb 13, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>What happens when the greedy business owners do not pay their employees enough to live on even though they are working full time? The impoverished person gets help through the government. This is money the business owner is paying. So why not cut out the middleman(government) and just pay the man a living wage?
Most businesses do employees enough to make a living, most well above min wage. You, like Allen, act as if everyone earns min wage.

Since: Dec 11

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#35866 Feb 13, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>40 hours is what Obama spoke of last night. 32 or more hours may be technically considered full time, but that was not the point of the matter Obama was discussing.
Maybe you just heard Obama saying, spend spend spend?
When the govt determines 30 hrs to be full time, it doesnt matter if the Ruler implies 40 hrs.

Hey Arnold, another example of Mike playing Semantics!

“Breaking the spell”

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#35867 Feb 13, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed to an extent, the problem is the ideology of your party. With the way the Ruler is addressing the issue it isn't about bringing up the poor, it's about bringing down the rich and the middle class. It's been tried this way time and time again, it doesn't work. The poor stay poor, the middle class become poor, and the rich become middle class, leaving all of the wealth for the ones in control.....the govt!
Yet in America, since the socialist like policies have been put in place, we have grown to be quite rich.

None of this need bring down the rich. The theory is, the rich will still get richer, as they often always do. The difference is, there will be a stronger middle class and less in poverty.

Before America started these ideas, there was little middle class and massive poverty.

“Breaking the spell”

Since: Feb 13

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#35868 Feb 13, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>Most businesses do employees enough to make a living, most well above min wage. You, like Allen, act as if everyone earns min wage.
What?

“Breaking the spell”

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#35869 Feb 13, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>When the govt determines 30 hrs to be full time, it doesnt matter if the Ruler implies 40 hrs.
Hey Arnold, another example of Mike playing Semantics!
Obama did not imply forty hours, he said forty hours.

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