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“Breaking the spell”

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#35431 Feb 10, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> You have a right to believe what you wish.As, I might add, I do myself.Many people get hung up on the Old Testament.The Old Testament is superseded by the New Testament, which tells of Jesus Christ.The Old Testament is full of Jewish dietary laws.Christ said"Its not what goes into a mans mouth that is evil, but what comes out of it". I've noticed that when people seek to criticize the Bible, they pull up something from the O.T. That's because, its very hard to criticize the words of GOD, in the N.T..
Well Jesus did often contradict what the god of the old testament wanted. I guess that is why he was killed by the believers of the old testament.
Jesus often contradicted even himself also, like when he said all the old laws must be followed.
I can look up the passage if no one told you about it.

Of course I do not blame Jesus for showing the old testament rules to be stupid, as they clearly were not made by a perfect god.

By your words here, it sure looks like you are for religion and are defending religion. The same religion that supports the condemnation of homosexuals. The same religion that has scriptures that demand you murder homosexuals.

I guess I should be glad you ignore the time Jesus said to follow the laws of the prophets, otherwise you might be out there murdering homosexuals for your god like the Muslims are doing still today.

In case you have no noticed, what I am pointing out is evidence your god is not real. Not proof, as proof is in the eye of the beholder. Any intellectual knows this.

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#35432 Feb 10, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>Not that the planets have any perfect orbits, but if they did, it does not show evidence a god made it so.
It was once thought that the the orbits were perfect circles due to god, but that was shown as wrong.
Not so sure about a perfect symmetry in nature either. My body is not even perfectly symmetrical. But if it was, just how is this connected to the mythical god you believe in?
You must show a cause and effect reason, not just the end effect. You really have no idea what evidence means, do you?
Do you not realize that the planets have to be where they are, for life to exist on earth? Do you, for instance, realize the importance of Jupiter and its location, on life here? The Moon? Do you realize how TINY is the space where human life can exist?

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#35433 Feb 10, 2013
Mike, in all this time I've respected your own beliefs.I've never said you were"stupid"because of what you believed in.Yet, you constantly try to picture my beliefs as"stupid".You seem insecure at times, always declaring some non-existent"victory ".

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#35434 Feb 10, 2013
Mike, in point of fact, you have people on this forum who support you, such as Arnold and Allen, why does it bother you if someone supports me? We really should be able to engage in discourse, without personal attacks and rancor.

“Breaking the spell”

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#35435 Feb 10, 2013
The Enemy Within wrote:
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Nor can you point to a star and convince anyone that is was NOT created by God.
You continue to ask for evidence that God exist but provide nothing to show he does not. Oh wait, you said that prayer doesn't work so God must not exist.
That is the basis of your argument? Wow....and you chastise others on how to articulate thoughts, questions and debate tactics.
Actually, I very well might be ablt to convince someone a star is not created by a god. Of course I cannot convince everyone of this as many are closed minded and proof is in the eye of the beholder. I can show evidence of how stars are created(no god needed).

“Breaking the spell”

Since: Feb 13

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#35436 Feb 10, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
Mike, in point of fact, you have people on this forum who support you, such as Arnold and Allen, why does it bother you if someone supports me? We really should be able to engage in discourse, without personal attacks and rancor.
I am not condemning the idea of one person supporting another. I am showing what sort of mind is supporting another mind.
In this case, I see it as one closed mind supporting the other closed mind.
You both run from the debate.

“Breaking the spell”

Since: Feb 13

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#35437 Feb 10, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
Mike, in point of fact, you have people on this forum who support you, such as Arnold and Allen, why does it bother you if someone supports me? We really should be able to engage in discourse, without personal attacks and rancor.
I am proud to have Arnold and Allen supporting me when they do, as I respect most of their views.
Now I have little to no respect for the views of Silver, and when you seem to respect his views, it makes me wonder about your own character.
When he supports your views, I wonder about those views even more so.

“Breaking the spell”

Since: Feb 13

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#35438 Feb 10, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Do you not realize that the planets have to be where they are, for life to exist on earth? Do you, for instance, realize the importance of Jupiter and its location, on life here? The Moon? Do you realize how TINY is the space where human life can exist?
So then you must be implying that the existence of life, or human life makes this orbit of some sort of perfection? Out of the billions of orbits of solar systems, it just seems more like chance and time.
Our orbit will end in an end to all life in earth in a few billion years. How is this perfection?
What you call perfection, I call chance in time and space.

“Breaking the spell”

Since: Feb 13

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#35439 Feb 10, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
Mike, in all this time I've respected your own beliefs.I've never said you were"stupid"because of what you believed in.Yet, you constantly try to picture my beliefs as"stupid".You seem insecure at times, always declaring some non-existent"victory ".
I do not think you are stupid because you believe in a god. Lots of smart people believe in gods.
I call you stupid for the reasons I listed.
I probably should not call you stupid, but I get frustrated when you guys refuse to debate or try to debate using logic and reason. Claiming the orbits are evidence of a god does not show cause and effect. Perfection does not show cause and effect. Your points lack logic and reason. This frustrates me and I often assume you do this because you are stupid. Now if you wish to prove yourself as not stupid, I would expect you to use a logic argument on god.

Maybe there is no good arguments for a god? If so, then maybe you are not stupid, you just are burdened with a poor position to defend.

But when you refuse to even try to argue it, you are certainly being closed minded.

“Breaking the spell”

Since: Feb 13

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#35440 Feb 10, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Do you not realize that the planets have to be where they are, for life to exist on earth? Do you, for instance, realize the importance of Jupiter and its location, on life here? The Moon? Do you realize how TINY is the space where human life can exist?
Actually, if you consider the whole of our universe, it is likely humans could exist on billions of planets existing today. I do not call "billions" a "tiny" number.

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#35441 Feb 10, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>I am proud to have Arnold and Allen supporting me when they do, as I respect most of their views.
Now I have little to no respect for the views of Silver, and when you seem to respect his views, it makes me wonder about your own character.
When he supports your views, I wonder about those views even more so.
Arnold is a genuine person,full of life and a man whose views are the result of years of experience as a person and a teacher.Even Silvercoast recognizes Arnold as a person who believes what he says.I don't know Allen that well, but time marches on.What views of Silvercoast do I respect? I love a family man, and darned if he doesn't stand up for what he believes in.Am I in favor of racial separation? No.Am I a supporter of OBAMA? Yes.You'll never understand, will you Mike?

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#35442 Feb 10, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, if you consider the whole of our universe, it is likely humans could exist on billions of planets existing today. I do not call "billions" a "tiny" number.
Fine Mike.Show me ONE SUCH PLACE!

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#35443 Feb 10, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>I do not think you are stupid because you believe in a god. Lots of smart people believe in gods.
I call you stupid for the reasons I listed.
I probably should not call you stupid, but I get frustrated when you guys refuse to debate or try to debate using logic and reason. Claiming the orbits are evidence of a god does not show cause and effect. Perfection does not show cause and effect. Your points lack logic and reason. This frustrates me and I often assume you do this because you are stupid. Now if you wish to prove yourself as not stupid, I would expect you to use a logic argument on god.
Maybe there is no good arguments for a god? If so, then maybe you are not stupid, you just are burdened with a poor position to defend.
But when you refuse to even try to argue it, you are certainly being closed minded.
My arguments have been tendered, Mike.Just because you refuse to accept them, does not discount their validity.One other point.The way you and I, who both are Obama supporters, argue is not something I find to be proud of.If we simply reflect the state of American politics today, with its division and close-mindedness, then we are only adding to the process of destruction that this country seems to be hurling towards at light speed.If political discourse can at least be civil, there may yet be hope for us all.
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Charlotte, NC

#35444 Feb 10, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Fine Mike.Show me ONE SUCH PLACE!
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“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#35445 Feb 10, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>So then you must be implying that the existence of life, or human life makes this orbit of some sort of perfection? Out of the billions of orbits of solar systems, it just seems more like chance and time.
Our orbit will end in an end to all life in earth in a few billion years. How is this perfection?
What you call perfection, I call chance in time and space.
Therein, lies our disagreement, in a nutshell.

“Breaking the spell”

Since: Feb 13

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#35446 Feb 10, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Fine Mike.Show me ONE SUCH PLACE!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/he adlines/2012/12/astronomers-di scover-habitable-planet-around -nearby-star/

Here is one very near to us considering the size of our universe. Considering this is but one planet in our galaxy in a universe of hundreds of billions of galaxies, it does not take a mathematician to figure out the odds of having billions of planet or even maybe hundreds of billions of planets that could have life and even life with intelligent animals like humans.

Keep in mind, most galaxies have hundreds of billions of solar systems in each one.

“Breaking the spell”

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#35447 Feb 10, 2013

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#35448 Feb 10, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text> http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12...
Here is one very near to us considering the size of our universe. Considering this is but one planet in our galaxy in a universe of hundreds of billions of galaxies, it does not take a mathematician to figure out the odds of having billions of planet or even maybe hundreds of billions of planets that could have life and even life with intelligent animals like humans.
Keep in mind, most galaxies have hundreds of billions of solar systems in each one.
I understand.I'm aware of the existence of myriad planets.In fact just the other day, on the Science channel I think, they described what the atmospheres of the most likely of these planets, would be like, considering their place in their solar systems.These were the most earthlike of the planets.It wasn't good.Could be, there is an earthlike planet out there, a few thousand light years away.Getting there however, could be a problem , according to Einsteins theory of relativity.

“Breaking the spell”

Since: Feb 13

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#35449 Feb 10, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Therein, lies our disagreement, in a nutshell.
Here we go again with your repeated lack of articulating a full thought.

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#35450 Feb 10, 2013
Maybe, being able to understand differing points of views, is a weakness.Perhaps not condemning those who feel differently than I, is also a weakness.Could be, I suppose.But it would be a mistake to think that I am a weak person.I can be ruthless if necessary, after all, I'm Irish!

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