Moving to Golden Valley
Floyd_C

Alva, OK

#21 Mar 30, 2011
Plain Wreck wrote:
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I have worked for the Mohave County Sheriff's Office for several years now and one of the many facts about crime in Mohave County is, there is a lot of criminal activity in Golden Valley, for those citizens that live in a world other than the one I live in, go to radio shack and buy yourself a police frequency scanner and experience the mayhem for yourself.
On July 30th, three killers broke out of the Management and Training Corporation for-profit prison in Golden Valley. It took hours for the low-paid guards to realize they were missing them, and hours more before the Sheriff and state were alerted. Even then, the MCSO failed to notify residents who were wondering what helicopters were doing overhead the next morning.

The prison had been built by the county and made millions for the promoters and the shoddy contractor they'd hired. The state promised it would only be for DUI offenders, but hundreds of murderers were sent there by the Brewer administration.

The escapees split up in the desert and one took off when he found the getaway car. The other two and their accomplice walked all the way to Interstate where they kidnapped two semi drivers and took them and their rigs to Flagstaff.

The accomplice had been caught at the prison weeks earlier attempting to smuggle in drugs, hypodermic syringes, cell phones and other contraband. Yet the Sheriff let her go without even posting bail, so she was able to help the killers to escape.

The first killer had a shootout with law enforcement in Colorado. The other two killed a vacationing Oklahoma retiree couple in New Mexico.

The state pushed MTC to take the blame, but it was clearly at fault as well, thanks to unbelievably lax oversight. The alarms hadn't worked for years, for instance, and there was only a single fence at the perimeter.

The state and the contractor are now being sued for $40 million by the family of the murdered couple.

There were two riots at the prison last year as well.

If you want to move there, you should be able to find some very cheap property.

“Beep, Beep, which way do I go?”

Since: Aug 07

Yucca, AZ

#22 Mar 31, 2011
Floyd_C wrote:
<quoted text>On July 30th, three killers broke out of the Management and Training Corporation for-profit prison in Golden Valley. It took hours for the low-paid guards to realize they were missing them, and hours more before the Sheriff and state were alerted. Even then, the MCSO failed to notify residents who were wondering what helicopters were doing overhead the next morning.

The prison had been built by the county and made millions for the promoters and the shoddy contractor they'd hired. The state promised it would only be for DUI offenders, but hundreds of murderers were sent there by the Brewer administration.

The escapees split up in the desert and one took off when he found the getaway car. The other two and their accomplice walked all the way to Interstate where they kidnapped two semi drivers and took them and their rigs to Flagstaff.

The accomplice had been caught at the prison weeks earlier attempting to smuggle in drugs, hypodermic syringes, cell phones and other contraband. Yet the Sheriff let her go without even posting bail, so she was able to help the killers to escape.

The first killer had a shootout with law enforcement in Colorado. The other two killed a vacationing Oklahoma retiree couple in New Mexico.

The state pushed MTC to take the blame, but it was clearly at fault as well, thanks to unbelievably lax oversight. The alarms hadn't worked for years, for instance, and there was only a single fence at the perimeter.

The state and the contractor are now being sued for $40 million by the family of the murdered couple.

There were two riots at the prison last year as well.

If you want to move there, you should be able to find some very cheap property.
You obviously don't know much about the area. Golden Valley is a community within the central to northern sections of the Sacramento Valley. The prison is a good 8 miles from the southern edge of Golden Valley.
The people of Golden Valley were never in danger considering they hi-jacked a semi at at the exit 37 interchange and proceeded to drive east on I-40. The people in Kingman were in more danger than anyone else in this area considering I-40 cuts through the middle of town and avoids Golden Valley. So stay out of Kingman everyone it's ripe with crime and deadly criminals. What logic. LOL

“Beep, Beep, which way do I go?”

Since: Aug 07

Yucca, AZ

#23 Mar 31, 2011
To Mystic Mage and Sheltieman, make your own decision based on what you like. Does Golden Valley have crime issues? Sure it does. Then again if Plain Wreck was giving you an honest opinion he would of told you it was far better than the northside of Kingman. Probably the only one who has given an honest opinion has been GVman and he does say he got burglarized so it's not a perfect area and it's not the worst.
It's not for me because I don't find it very scenic area other than in the far southwestern corner next to the black mountains and there is too many whiners far my taste. The types that complain about about not having things like supermarkets yet complains about anyone who attempts to improve the area. Don't get me wrong they represent a very small portion of the people there but I guarantee if you attended a county board of supervisors meeting they will dominate the complaints in the county. You got a little sample from GVman with his self-serving and corrupt comment but hey at least he gave you an honest opinion of the area from his experience. I personally prefer the southern Sacramento Valley and we have good water aquifers.(that's a little ribbing for the paranoids in GV that haven't commented yet to tell you not to come cause there's no water)
gvman

Lake Havasu City, AZ

#24 Mar 31, 2011
Desert Rat I wrote:
To Mystic Mage and Sheltieman, make your own decision based on what you like. Does Golden Valley have crime issues? Sure it does. Then again if Plain Wreck was giving you an honest opinion he would of told you it was far better than the northside of Kingman. Probably the only one who has given an honest opinion has been GVman and he does say he got burglarized so it's not a perfect area and it's not the worst.
It's not for me because I don't find it very scenic area other than in the far southwestern corner next to the black mountains and there is too many whiners far my taste. The types that complain about about not having things like supermarkets yet complains about anyone who attempts to improve the area. Don't get me wrong they represent a very small portion of the people there but I guarantee if you attended a county board of supervisors meeting they will dominate the complaints in the county. You got a little sample from GVman with his self-serving and corrupt comment but hey at least he gave you an honest opinion of the area from his experience. I personally prefer the southern Sacramento Valley and we have good water aquifers.(that's a little ribbing for the paranoids in GV that haven't commented yet to tell you not to come cause there's no water)
Let me spell corruption for you. When I had my home built the conractor called me and said the electric and plumbing had passed inspection and he would like me to relase the rest of the funds. When I arrived an hour later, the water pipe from the meter to the house was lying in an open trench and not connected at either end. When I plugged in a lamp to check the electricity it knocked off all the circuit breakers, becuse of improper wiring. The inspector stated on the form about both, " All work completed satisfactorily and system functioning properly ". I refused to pay until everything was passed by an inspector I hired. I submitted a formal complaint about the inspector, to this day she is still employed by the county and it has been several years. It was either corruption or one the worst cases of incompetence in history.
Water study going on right now, but everything looks good so far. Short drive to Kingman for groceries once a week is no big deal. I like the fact that you can live out here and enjoy the peace and quiet. As far as criminals I have no problem shooting their ass off. In AZ even crazies like me are allowed to carry guns. Still don't care if they move here or not.

“Beep, Beep, which way do I go?”

Since: Aug 07

Yucca, AZ

#25 Mar 31, 2011
gvman wrote:
<quoted text>Let me spell corruption for you. When I had my home built the conractor called me and said the electric and plumbing had passed inspection and he would like me to relase the rest of the funds. When I arrived an hour later, the water pipe from the meter to the house was lying in an open trench and not connected at either end. When I plugged in a lamp to check the electricity it knocked off all the circuit breakers, becuse of improper wiring. The inspector stated on the form about both, " All work completed satisfactorily and system functioning properly ". I refused to pay until everything was passed by an inspector I hired. I submitted a formal complaint about the inspector, to this day she is still employed by the county and it has been several years. It was either corruption or one the worst cases of incompetence in history.
Water study going on right now, but everything looks good so far. Short drive to Kingman for groceries once a week is no big deal. I like the fact that you can live out here and enjoy the peace and quiet. As far as criminals I have no problem shooting their ass off. In AZ even crazies like me are allowed to carry guns. Still don't care if they move here or not.
Not same type of corruption that I was referring to. Your issues are not something isolated to this county. If you have satellite, I would recommend watching a few episodes of Holmes on Homes on the Home & Garden channel. He goes into homes where people have hired licensed contractors who have butchered their jobs far worse than yours and the inspector signed off it with no recourse other than Mike Holmes coming in redoing the whole job while pointing out all the screw ups and educating the audience on being more aware and how to pick out bad contractors. The issue with inspectors is the whole with government employees on general, a lack of accountability. You said you came here from Cali well so did I. Well think about the service you received at the DMV. Several years back they were getting alot of complaints about the rudeness from the people at the counters. Their solution was to spend over $3 million on sensitivity training. If those people acted like that in a major retail store they would fired for a lack of performance. Unfortunately for inspectors there is no oversight and it's not just here. I'e actually been building my home over the last 2 years and hopefully have 1 year more to go. When I was designing my home I did alot of research on everything I was doing so that I would avoid alot of the issues with inspectors. In my search for info on what determines load bearing walls, i came across like this called contractors forum and I was reading a discussion of an inspector in PA who made wrong determination on a job site relating to load bearing walls and when he went to fight the issue with wording in the code with him they still wouldn't change his decision. A person in the discussion who had worked as an inspector in the past said said superiors avoid usurping the inspectors authority to avoid making them look bad.
gvman

Bullhead City, AZ

#26 Apr 1, 2011
Desert Rat I wrote:
<quoted text>
Not same type of corruption that I was referring to. Your issues are not something isolated to this county. If you have satellite, I would recommend watching a few episodes of Holmes on Homes on the Home & Garden channel. He goes into homes where people have hired licensed contractors who have butchered their jobs far worse than yours and the inspector signed off it with no recourse other than Mike Holmes coming in redoing the whole job while pointing out all the screw ups and educating the audience on being more aware and how to pick out bad contractors. The issue with inspectors is the whole with government employees on general, a lack of accountability. You said you came here from Cali well so did I. Well think about the service you received at the DMV. Several years back they were getting alot of complaints about the rudeness from the people at the counters. Their solution was to spend over $3 million on sensitivity training. If those people acted like that in a major retail store they would fired for a lack of performance. Unfortunately for inspectors there is no oversight and it's not just here. I'e actually been building my home over the last 2 years and hopefully have 1 year more to go. When I was designing my home I did alot of research on everything I was doing so that I would avoid alot of the issues with inspectors. In my search for info on what determines load bearing walls, i came across like this called contractors forum and I was reading a discussion of an inspector in PA who made wrong determination on a job site relating to load bearing walls and when he went to fight the issue with wording in the code with him they still wouldn't change his decision. A person in the discussion who had worked as an inspector in the past said said superiors avoid usurping the inspectors authority to avoid making them look bad.
Good point on the public employee thing. I would hope that is a small percentage and that the rest of them are solid employees. I believe our county supervisors have thier own personal agendas that are much more important to them then the welfare of the citizens of Mohave county.

“Loving Az”

Since: Mar 11

Melbourne Beach, Florida

#27 Apr 3, 2011
And yet still no response from Yeahright
Floyd_C

Alva, OK

#28 Apr 3, 2011
Desert Rat I wrote:
<quoted text>
You obviously don't know much about the area. Golden Valley is a community within the central to northern sections of the Sacramento Valley. The prison is a good 8 miles from the southern edge of Golden Valley.
The people of Golden Valley were never in danger considering they hi-jacked a semi at at the exit 37 interchange and proceeded to drive east on I-40. The people in Kingman were in more danger than anyone else in this area considering I-40 cuts through the middle of town and avoids Golden Valley. So stay out of Kingman everyone it's ripe with crime and deadly criminals. What logic. LOL
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Dear "LOL"

Exit 37 is only three quarters of a mile from the prison. Yuma, Apache, Wickenburg, Sacramento and Yucca Drives, and Centenial, Jaguar, Tampico, Griffith and other Roads where homes are located in Golden Valley are closer than the freeway interchange.

GV residents were fortunate that the fugitives decided to go to the freeway interchange instead of doing a home invasion, killing the occupants and stealing a car. It was early in the evening and they were heavily armed, and people had the lights on in their homes so they could have found them quite easily.

Kingman is over twelve miles away from the prison, and you must have thought that the murderers would have stopped there to go to McDonalds, I suppose. Or maybe you thought they were walking back to Phoenix.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. What illogic!

In a very similar escape from the for-profit prison in Hinton, Oklahoma, two escapees were able to get out because the staff couldn't count, failed go give proper attention to the alarms because there were so many false alarms, and failed to follow the state's orders to beef up fence security. When they discovered the convicts were missing they never notified local law enforcement because, just as in Golden Valley, the rent-a-guards kept counting and couldn't find huge holes in the fences and razor wire.

The Hinton escape was finally reported when one of the women who had been bound and gagged in Oklahoma City got loose and called 911. That was the first the police in Hinton heard of the escape, when OKC cops called to tell them the convicts were loose. Even then the police chief couldn't reach the prison by phone because no one was answering.

The Oklahoma murderer and his accomplice broke into the home of a 71-year-old widow, kidnapped her in her car and drove her to Oklahoma City, where they broke into a 74-year-old widow's home and stole her car. Thanks to fast work by the Oklahoma Department of Corrections, as opposed to the sloppy work by the Mohave County Sheriff's Office and the Arizona Department of Corrections, the Oklahoma escapees were captured the next day in Tulsa.

In Golden Valley, it took almost 2 1/2 hours after the escape before the MCSO was called, four hours before the ADC was called, and 12 hours before the media were notified. MCSO helicopters were flying over the part of Golden Valley west of the Interstate the next morning, locking the barn after the horses were gone.
Care to make any other unsupportable statements?

“Beep, Beep, which way do I go?”

Since: Aug 07

Yucca, AZ

#29 Apr 3, 2011
gvman wrote:
<quoted text>Good point on the public employee thing. I would hope that is a small percentage and that the rest of them are solid employees. I believe our county supervisors have thier own personal agendas that are much more important to them then the welfare of the citizens of Mohave county.
I would hope it is a small percentage myself. Fortunately for me I've done almost all the work myself so I feel comfortable about when the inspector and have had no issues. The only work I haven't been involved with has been grading the pad and the finishing of the foundation. The grading is the only thing I didn't witness.
Just remember if you happen to go this ordeal again, don't just settle on a contractor. The majority of them don't have a true pride in their work. They are out to make the most profit they can of you and that attitude will always result in cutting corners to save a buck instead of taking the time to ensure a good job. And then whether they are friends with the inspectors or not, they generally will have enough experience with the one that covers a specific area that they will know what they look for and male it look good without actually doing it right.
On the supervisors, they weren't elected to do what is best for the county, they were elected to do what is in the best interest of their district. Unfortunately, do to the concentrations in population in this county it means Watson does what is best for Kingman, Stockwell does what is best for Bullhead City and Johnson does what is best for Lake Havasu. So when you get the group of people in Golden Valley screaming at the supervisors and manager it really means very little because as long as they please their voting bases they are safe.

“Beep, Beep, which way do I go?”

Since: Aug 07

Yucca, AZ

#30 Apr 3, 2011
Floyd_C wrote:
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Dear "LOL"

Exit 37 is only three quarters of a mile from the prison. Yuma, Apache, Wickenburg, Sacramento and Yucca Drives, and Centenial, Jaguar, Tampico, Griffith and other Roads where homes are located in Golden Valley are closer than the freeway interchange.

GV residents were fortunate that the fugitives decided to go to the freeway interchange instead of doing a home invasion, killing the occupants and stealing a car. It was early in the evening and they were heavily armed, and people had the lights on in their homes so they could have found them quite easily.

Kingman is over twelve miles away from the prison, and you must have thought that the murderers would have stopped there to go to McDonalds, I suppose. Or maybe you thought they were walking back to Phoenix.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. What illogic!

In a very similar escape from the for-profit prison in Hinton, Oklahoma, two escapees were able to get out because the staff couldn't count, failed go give proper attention to the alarms because there were so many false alarms, and failed to follow the state's orders to beef up fence security. When they discovered the convicts were missing they never notified local law enforcement because, just as in Golden Valley, the rent-a-guards kept counting and couldn't find huge holes in the fences and razor wire.

The Hinton escape was finally reported when one of the women who had been bound and gagged in Oklahoma City got loose and called 911. That was the first the police in Hinton heard of the escape, when OKC cops called to tell them the convicts were loose. Even then the police chief couldn't reach the prison by phone because no one was answering.

The Oklahoma murderer and his accomplice broke into the home of a 71-year-old widow, kidnapped her in her car and drove her to Oklahoma City, where they broke into a 74-year-old widow's home and stole her car. Thanks to fast work by the Oklahoma Department of Corrections, as opposed to the sloppy work by the Mohave County Sheriff's Office and the Arizona Department of Corrections, the Oklahoma escapees were captured the next day in Tulsa.

In Golden Valley, it took almost 2 1/2 hours after the escape before the MCSO was called, four hours before the ADC was called, and 12 hours before the media were notified. MCSO helicopters were flying over the part of Golden Valley west of the Interstate the next morning, locking the barn after the horses were gone.
Care to make any other unsupportable statements?
So tell Mr. Illogical one, what does naming a bunch of streets near the prison has to do with the location of Golden Valley. If you really wanted to provide support to your belief, you would have took the time to look on a map for the boundaries. I did a quick look and the established boundaries are Aqua Fria Dr. to the north, Egar Rd. to the west, Red Wall Dr. to the south until it gets to S. Bowie to the east, then it runs north to Shipp Dr. then continues eat where the 68 and 93 splits. I was being generous by using Shinarump as the southern boundary, which puts the prison 8 miles from the southern boundary. But hey what do the people that define boundaries know? I guess they forgot to clear it though you first! LOL

“Loving Az”

Since: Mar 11

Melbourne Beach, Florida

#31 Apr 4, 2011
As unsual the topix has gone way off coarse.
mrshappy

Bullhead City, AZ

#32 Apr 5, 2011
sheltiman wants to talk about anything BUT mohave county, take off troll, we dont want ya

“Loving Az”

Since: Mar 11

Melbourne Beach, Florida

#33 Apr 5, 2011
mrshappy wrote:
sheltiman wants to talk about anything BUT mohave county, take off troll, we dont want ya
I do eh, well when it becomes an agruement between 2 people then yes I do think it has gone off topic. Apprently there is nothing good about GV or we would have heard about here but maybe we should consider moving someplace else.
We were looking for information not accusations thrown back an forth between 2 people
mrshappy

Bullhead City, AZ

#34 Apr 5, 2011
there are plenty of good things sheltieman. beautiful area and weather. a lot of good people as well. its just hard being positive in place so hard hit by the economy downturn and all our lawmakers can concentrate on is passing strange bills instead of working on our worst problem, lack of jobs. it is a great place, just ran by idiots. sorry for being hard on you, i wish you and the mrs the best.

“Loving Az”

Since: Mar 11

Melbourne Beach, Florida

#35 Apr 5, 2011
mrshappy wrote:
there are plenty of good things sheltieman. beautiful area and weather. a lot of good people as well. its just hard being positive in place so hard hit by the economy downturn and all our lawmakers can concentrate on is passing strange bills instead of working on our worst problem, lack of jobs. it is a great place, just ran by idiots. sorry for being hard on you, i wish you and the mrs the best.
I understand and yes lawmakers are the strangest of all.
My wife and I hope your still there when we do get out there, which is as soon as we can sell our house here in Tn.
We just want to get to know people and things like water hauling good and bad parts of town just general stuff you can't find out on the internet

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#36 Apr 7, 2011
I'm the person who started this thread and got tire of the bickering and stuff going on. All I wanted to do is meet some people from Golden Valley before we moved there and to find out what things I could abouthe area that I couldn't find on the web. Is there no-one in the area who would like to welcome a new family into the area?
gvman

Bullhead City, AZ

#37 Apr 7, 2011
mystic mage wrote:
I'm the person who started this thread and got tire of the bickering and stuff going on. All I wanted to do is meet some people from Golden Valley before we moved there and to find out what things I could abouthe area that I couldn't find on the web. Is there no-one in the area who would like to welcome a new family into the area?
I moved here in 1998. It is not perfect, there are things that could be much better such as local government and the current job market. Of course we have crime, who doesn't. I think you got a lot of different opinions in this thread and need to filter it yourself and come to a decision whether or not this is the place for you. Property taxes are lower than living in a metropolitan area. Utilities are reasonable and housing right now is down right cheap. I must like it here, otherwise why am I still here? My suggestion would be move here and rent until you decide whether or not you want to stay. I wish you good luck in what ever you decide. Anybody can get on this thread and express their views on thing and they don't always stay on topic, so this is probably not the best place to get information to base a life altering decision on.

“Loving Az”

Since: Mar 11

Melbourne Beach, Florida

#38 Apr 7, 2011
I'm curious about what tax they put on food there. I know az doesn't have one but most cities do.
Dont really think many people will rent to dog owners with out high rent
gvman

Bullhead City, AZ

#39 Apr 8, 2011
No tax on food in Kingman. So many empty properties, I would think some would rent to dog owners at a reasonable price

“Loving Az”

Since: Mar 11

Melbourne Beach, Florida

#40 Apr 9, 2011
Can anybody suggest a good realator one that won't screw you over to bad, both for us buying a property and finding us a rental if we need to.Here in E. Tn. they claim they are good christians then really put the screws to someone, actually we have found here that anybody claiming they are good christians we run the other way because they're the ones who are the worst

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