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#1 Feb 25, 2011
Man Killed by Police After Glenwood Standoff

Updated: Friday, 25 Feb 2011, 7:40 AM CST
Published : Friday, 25 Feb 2011, 7:40 AM CST

Sun-Times Media Wire

Glenwood, Ill.- A 67-year-old was fatally shot by police after he fired on officers during a standoff that began Thursday afternoon in south suburban Glenwood.

The standoff began at 1:58 p.m. Thursday when police responded to 50 N. Cedar Lane in Glenwood after the man pointed a silver-colored handgun at a firefighter who was attempting to distribute free village address markers, according to a Glenwood Police release.

Officers confronted the man, 67, who stood at the front doorway and yelled obscenities at them before he slammed the door shut, the release said.

The man came to front door on several occasions and brandished the weapon before he fired several shots a South Suburban Emergency Response Team vehicle, according to the release.

An officer, in fear for his life, returned fire with a single shot that struck the man, the release said.

Glenwood Police could not immediately provide a time the barricade situation ended.

Robert P. Lyons, of the same address, was dead at the scene, according to the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office.

The Illinois State Police Public Integrity Unit and the Investigations Unit of the Glenwood Police Department are investigating.
Paul

Chicago, IL

#2 Feb 27, 2011
He shot at police, he died...thats the way it is supposed to happen. Would you rather a neighbor or officer die waiting for him to calm down and surrender. I know I would be really pi$$ed off if someone I know got hurt or died because police didn't act quick enough. Good job officers, keep up the good work.
ActiveResident

Park Forest, IL

#3 Feb 27, 2011
Yep, good job police! I certainly wouldn't feel good living next door to this unstable person!
Not as Quick to Judge

Addison, IL

#4 Feb 27, 2011
He was 67, how many years did his neighbors live next door to him without incident? Everyone acts like he ran out of his house shooting people. Would you say "good job" if it was your family member? Your grandfather, father, husband, brother, uncle, or SON? Being eccentric or drunk does not justify being shot dead IN YOUR OWN HOME, in FRONT OF YOUR WIFE. I don't believe that people always use the best judgement. Especially when they believe everything they read in papers, hear on news reports, and especially when they believe everything the police, who are people and make bad decisions also. World needs more critical thinkers...not blind sheep.
Wyatt

Chicago, IL

#5 Feb 27, 2011
If there was no law , untrained people like Mr. Lyons would be taking it into their own hands on a daily basis. Since he didn't submit to peace officers , did he expect a different result? He didn't need to brandish a deadly weapon to fend off an unarmed firefighter. Mr Lyons should have done some critical thinking himself.
former glenwood resident

Akron, OH

#6 Mar 1, 2011
i lived next door to these people for 10 years. They were both very unstable but for the most part harmless as far as i could tell. I'm very sad for them as i am certain he was mentally unable to understand what he was doing. HOWEVER, if someone was shooting out the door of their home into my neighborhood...no matter what the circumstance i don't see how the police had any other choice. It's a horrible situation that really had no other way to end, it's just too bad.
Jobe

Blue Island, IL

#7 Mar 1, 2011
Not as Quick to Judge wrote:
He was 67, how many years did his neighbors live next door to him without incident? Everyone acts like he ran out of his house shooting people. Would you say "good job" if it was your family member? Your grandfather, father, husband, brother, uncle, or SON? Being eccentric or drunk does not justify being shot dead IN YOUR OWN HOME, in FRONT OF YOUR WIFE. I don't believe that people always use the best judgement. Especially when they believe everything they read in papers, hear on news reports, and especially when they believe everything the police, who are people and make bad decisions also. World needs more critical thinkers...not blind sheep.
It was not a "Quick to judge decision". The Police talked to him for hours after he assaulted a Firefighter. That was his decision to commit that crime. They waited and waited and were going to wait it out until he upped the ante and started firing at the Police. There were Officers inside of the vehicle he fired on. That authorized deadly force for that action. Not because he was a drunk or eccentric. He became a threat to everyone in that area. Should the Police have just left him there in his own little world??? He forced the Police to do what we all know they will do if you fire a gun at them. He was responsible for the whole incident, beginning to end.
Not as Quick to Judge

Addison, IL

#8 Mar 1, 2011
Jobe wrote:
<quoted text> It was not a "Quick to judge decision". The Police talked to him for hours after he assaulted a Firefighter. That was his decision to commit that crime. They waited and waited and were going to wait it out until he upped the ante and started firing at the Police. There were Officers inside of the vehicle he fired on. That authorized deadly force for that action. Not because he was a drunk or eccentric. He became a threat to everyone in that area. Should the Police have just left him there in his own little world??? He forced the Police to do what we all know they will do if you fire a gun at them. He was responsible for the whole incident, beginning to end.
It's funny to me that someone showing a gun from the confines of their own home, constitutes as "assult". In fact, the fireman, WAS NOT SHOT at, at all! Would incedent of gone on that long if he DID shoot at anyone? We have a right to bear arms. He was on private property. In his own home. The fireman told police, probably mad because he wouldn't sign his papers, and whole thing escalated.
That whole area was blocked off later that day, and so, again, all you know is what you are told. There is more to what you read, and today and tomorrow there are plenty more crimes to distract you from knowing truth of past ones.
Don't misconstrue this message for a green light for bad decisions. I agree he should of talked to police. Solved it quickly. Not to endanger others. But sadly that's not the way it ended.
Gun Supporter

La Crosse, WI

#9 Mar 2, 2011
Not as Quick to Judge wrote:
<quoted text>
It's funny to me that someone showing a gun from the confines of their own home, constitutes as "assult". In fact, the fireman, WAS NOT SHOT at, at all! Would incedent of gone on that long if he DID shoot at anyone? We have a right to bear arms. He was on private property. In his own home. The fireman told police, probably mad because he wouldn't sign his papers, and whole thing escalated.
That whole area was blocked off later that day, and so, again, all you know is what you are told. There is more to what you read, and today and tomorrow there are plenty more crimes to distract you from knowing truth of past ones.
Don't misconstrue this message for a green light for bad decisions. I agree he should of talked to police. Solved it quickly. Not to endanger others. But sadly that's not the way it ended.
I fully support our right to bear arms. In fact I wish we had ccw abilities in our pathetic state. However, discharge a weapon at or in the direction of a law enforcement officer and be prepared to have fire returned in your direction. It doesn't matter what brought the Police out....had the person acted rationally and like a sane person then the issue would have never escalated. One thing many people in society seemt to have forgotten....we have to deal with the consequences of our actions.
Jobe

United States

#10 Mar 2, 2011
Not as Quick to Judge wrote:
<quoted text>
It's funny to me that someone showing a gun from the confines of their own home, constitutes as "assult". In fact, the fireman, WAS NOT SHOT at, at all! Would incedent of gone on that long if he DID shoot at anyone? We have a right to bear arms. He was on private property. In his own home. The fireman told police, probably mad because he wouldn't sign his papers, and whole thing escalated.
That whole area was blocked off later that day, and so, again, all you know is what you are told. There is more to what you read, and today and tomorrow there are plenty more crimes to distract you from knowing truth of past ones.
Don't misconstrue this message for a green light for bad decisions. I agree he should of talked to police. Solved it quickly. Not to endanger others. But sadly that's not the way it ended.
Nobody said the Fireman was shot. You do have the right to possess a firearm on your own property but you cannot approach another person, stinky drunk, yelling and cussing and threatening while holding your gun. That makes a person feel like hes in danger. Thats an AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. Were you there? The guy could have refused to speak to the fireman but he chose to and bring his gun. Bottom line, he caused the whole incident and he was wrong.
Hernandez

Oak Lawn, IL

#11 Mar 7, 2011
Coverup the coward police fired first.

"Robert served in the U.S. Army,"
"He was a devoted husband and father. He is survived by his wife, five children and 13 grandchildren and many extended family members who are all overcome with grief over this situation."

How to turn a kid into a cop killer?
Kill his Grandpa.

Under Illinois Law,(720 ILCS 5/21 3), a person commits Criminal Trespass to Real Property if he or she:
(1) knowingly and without lawful authority enters or remains within or on a building; or
(2) enters upon the land of another, after receiving, prior to such entry, notice from the owner or occupant that such entry is forbidden; or
(3) remains upon the land of another, after receiving notice from the owner or occupant to depart; or
(4) presents false documents or falsely represents his or her identity orally to the owner or occupant of a building or land in order to obtain permission from the owner or occupant to enter or remain in the building or on the land.
Hernandez

Oak Lawn, IL

#12 Mar 7, 2011
Glenwood home of the real police
twisted

Calumet City, IL

#13 Mar 10, 2011
The right to bear arms is not the right to point those arms at public servants. Trespassing? Come on. So I can point my Glock at the mailman or a census worker? This guy pointed a gun at Fireman delivering FREE assress boxes then ran in his house after committing a forcible felony. U dont get away with something because u made to your house before u got caught. Speaking of Statutes, these might interest you.
(720 ILCS 5/7&#8209;5)(from Ch. 38, par. 7&#8209;5)
Sec. 7&#8209;5. Peace officer's use of force in making arrest.(a) A peace officer, or any person whom he has summoned or directed to assist him, need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest and of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest. However, he is justified in using force likely to cause death or great bodily harm only when he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or such other person, or when he reasonably believes both that:
(1) Such force is necessary to prevent the arrest from being defeated by resistance or escape; and
(2) The person to be arrested has committed or attempted a forcible felony which involves the infliction or threatened infliction of great bodily harm or is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon, or otherwise indicates that he will endanger human life or inflict great bodily harm unless arrested without delay.
(b) A peace officer making an arrest pursuant to an invalid warrant is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the warrant were valid, unless he knows that the warrant is invalid.
(Source: P.A. 84&#8209;1426.)

(720 ILCS 5/7&#8209;7)(from Ch. 38, par. 7&#8209;7)
Sec. 7&#8209;7. Private person's use of force in resisting arrest. A person is not authorized to use force to resist an arrest which he knows is being made either by a peace officer or by a private person summoned and directed by a peace officer to make the arrest, even if he believes that the arrest is unlawful and the arrest in fact is unlawful.
(Source: P.A. 86&#8209;1475.)

Thyis guy committed a felony buy pointing a gun at a fireman then fired on police.
Family friend

Wheaton, IL

#14 Mar 16, 2011
Jobe wrote:
<quoted text> It was not a "Quick to judge decision". The Police talked to him for hours after he assaulted a Firefighter. That was his decision to commit that crime. They waited and waited and were going to wait it out until he upped the ante and started firing at the Police. There were Officers inside of the vehicle he fired on. That authorized deadly force for that action. Not because he was a drunk or eccentric. He became a threat to everyone in that area. Should the Police have just left him there in his own little world??? He forced the Police to do what we all know they will do if you fire a gun at them. He was responsible for the whole incident, beginning to end.
Mr. Lyons did not "assault" the firefighter. The firefighter's report to the police was that he "brandished" a weapon in his hand. He did not point it at the firefighter. Brandish means to show or wave. I have heard that he as at home with his wife and was cleaning his gun collection when the doorbell rang. He told the man No he was not interested but he persisted, and was asked or told to leave. He then reported to the police. From here things escalated over several hours during which gas cannisters were shot through every window and the front entrance way was rammed by the s.s.e.r.t. vehicle which pushed in the front of the house. If your home had this happening and you didn't understand why an "army" of police, swat team and emergency vehicles were all positioned around your house and your wife was gasping for breath wouldn't you try to defend yourself? He did not shoot at anything besides the attacking vehicle that had bullet-proof windows. The sniper who killed him said "he feared for his life and then shot the victim". Well, Lyons did not shoot at the sniper, why was he fearing for his life? With the overwhelming presence of police and SWAT team there, the sniper was "afraid for his life"? All that the police and s.s.e.r.t. did was to provoke and frighten this man to take action so they could "take him out". Well, this time they succeeded. I hope none of our other citizens have their rights trampled on. So much mis-information was also reported in the papers. I'll never take what I read again for certain in the papers!

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