George

United States

#26759 Oct 11, 2013
WOW wrote:
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Have you signed up yet Melissa? Do you not care that people cannot afford to pay for it? I really don't understand you are always complaining about poor people yet you don't care that millions cannot afford this affordable health care. Trust me if it was saving people money there would be no hate toward Obamacare. Your hate for republicans clouds the good and the bad in all of our government. You are the most hateful bitter person I come into contact with on this page. Why do you not care about our Nation? Do you really think everyone should just follow your word because in your mind you are smarter than everyone else? I sure hope you don't have to depend on social security benefits because a lot of doctors have said they are bailing out and people will have to pay up front and get reimbursed. My family dr just told me this yesterday.
They way it was set up with subidies for the poorer people most people should be able to afford it. Will it be an extra expense they arent used to? Yes of course, but they will get somethng for their money, health insurance. Everyone gets sick sooner or later and for almost everyone it will pay for itself sooner or later. For the ones who end up paying more than then get because lets say they are killed in a freak accident and their is no real medical expenses because of it, well that is part of the principle behind any kind of insurance. Most people get more than what they pay for, but some get less.
Well Duh

Harrisonburg, VA

#26760 Oct 11, 2013
Sarah Paul Ingram is another reason to fear Obamacare. She is going to be incharge and have access to your medical records. So keep your mouth shut and be apart of the IRS scandal and you get promoted to more sensative material and fining people. That is great leadership.
Well Duh

Harrisonburg, VA

#26761 Oct 11, 2013
George wrote:
<quoted text>After a couple years when the fines increase there is a good chance most young people will sign up. Why pay a 700 dollar fine and get nothing when you can spend more or less depending and at least get something for your money, health insurance. Young people get sick and hurt and sometimes need a doctor, I suspect most will sign up after a few years. And regarding the exemption for staff leaving, that is why they included the subsidy, as passed they didnt get that subsidy and people like Pelosi were complaining everyone would leave without it.
About the youth, that is my point, they can wait a couple of years. If they do get hurt or sick, they sign up and can not be denied for pre-existing condition. For the government, let them leave. They are not special or better then the tax payers
WOW

Fairmont, WV

#26762 Oct 11, 2013
George wrote:
<quoted text>They way it was set up with subidies for the poorer people most people should be able to afford it. Will it be an extra expense they arent used to? Yes of course, but they will get somethng for their money, health insurance. Everyone gets sick sooner or later and for almost everyone it will pay for itself sooner or later. For the ones who end up paying more than then get because lets say they are killed in a freak accident and their is no real medical expenses because of it, well that is part of the principle behind any kind of insurance. Most people get more than what they pay for, but some get less.
I know what you are saying and it is just not working out. I hope they implement some changes that do help more people. I am all for health care for everyone. Families are being hurt by this. There are just to many variables and most simply cannot afford it and they cannot afford to pay a penalty. I just think it could have been delayed at least give people more time to adjust to higher cost and higher deductibles. Maybe offer more in a health savings plan. I know there are going to be kinks and I think everyone expected a few. I guess I would rather see a decent plan that everyone can utilize than rush into it.
George

United States

#26763 Oct 11, 2013
Well Duh wrote:
<quoted text> About the youth, that is my point, they can wait a couple of years. If they do get hurt or sick, they sign up and can not be denied for pre-existing condition. For the government, let them leave. They are not special or better then the tax payers
Yes the young can and probably will wait several years, but when they start paying the larger fines there is a good chance they will sign up, sick or not. I have no problem at all removing the subsidy for Congress and their staff, but I dont really have a problem with letting them keep it either. The government, like many employers, has always subsdized health insrance for their employees, it is nothing new and is not unusual for an employer to do.
George

United States

#26764 Oct 11, 2013
WOW wrote:
<quoted text>
I know what you are saying and it is just not working out. I hope they implement some changes that do help more people. I am all for health care for everyone. Families are being hurt by this. There are just to many variables and most simply cannot afford it and they cannot afford to pay a penalty. I just think it could have been delayed at least give people more time to adjust to higher cost and higher deductibles. Maybe offer more in a health savings plan. I know there are going to be kinks and I think everyone expected a few. I guess I would rather see a decent plan that everyone can utilize than rush into it.
While I think the ACA is better than nothing, I still think it stinks. You are right, many will not be able to afford it even with the subsidies. SOme cant get subsidies and are very poor, they are in states with Repub governors that refused the expansion. We need to take profiteering on the sick and dying out of the equation, and that means universal health insurance that is equal for ALL our citizens, congress included. Forcing people to buy private for profit insurance is unconstitutional, and that is what the aca does. Either be forced to do something unconstitutional or pay a huge fine, that is BS. Universal healthcare is the only answer.

Since: Sep 13

Ravenswood

#26765 Oct 11, 2013
For a person in WV earning $25,000 a year, it's $144.08 per month with a $735 tax credit. Show me another insurance cheaper. Don't tell me they can go to the er and not pay. That's one reason insurance rates are so high.
I don't need Obamacare but there was a time in my life I would have loved it,

WOW, I do care about people who can't afford health care. I also care about christians, muslims, black, white, brown, and gay people. I care about ALL people. And the only time I say anything negative about someone when they come after me and start name calling. I don't hate republicans, I just get upset with them the same as I do with democrats.
WOW

Fairmont, WV

#26766 Oct 11, 2013
Melissa Harris The 2nd wrote:
For a person in WV earning $25,000 a year, it's $144.08 per month with a $735 tax credit. Show me another insurance cheaper. Don't tell me they can go to the er and not pay. That's one reason insurance rates are so high.
I don't need Obamacare but there was a time in my life I would have loved it,
WOW, I do care about people who can't afford health care. I also care about christians, muslims, black, white, brown, and gay people. I care about ALL people. And the only time I say anything negative about someone when they come after me and start name calling. I don't hate republicans, I just get upset with them the same as I do with democrats.
144 a month for a family making 25,000 a year is a good bit when you have to pay high deductibles. In some cases even a co pay
WOW

Fairmont, WV

#26767 Oct 11, 2013
WOW wrote:
<quoted text>
144 a month for a family making 25,000 a year is a good bit when you have to pay high deductibles. In some cases even a co pay
I am meaning a family making 25,000. I agree with you about the emergency room. I wish people would use it for its purpose not for common colds and for some pain pills.
George

United States

#26768 Oct 11, 2013
I am sure there will be alot of smokers who do not sign up and just pay the fine because of the BS in the ACA that denies them the same subsidies as everyone else. This is absolutely unfair. There are many things people do that are unhealthy, such as being obese, alcoholics, gorging on fatty foods, etc. To single out smokers is BS. But I suspect once it gets going then they will try add those other things. Then they can tell you what you can or cant eat, can or cant do, or not get subsidies. When you think about it, in theory they can say if you own a gun you wont get the subsidies. Hell, in theory, since SCOTUS allowed this, whats not to say they cant pass a law that says either get rid of all you guns or pay a huge fine. Yes it is unconstitutional to tell people they cant own guns, but they can make you pay a fine if you dont, the exact same principle as the ACA which the court allowed.

Since: Sep 13

Ravenswood

#26769 Oct 11, 2013
WOW wrote:
<quoted text>
144 a month for a family making 25,000 a year is a good bit when you have to pay high deductibles. In some cases even a co pay
You're right, but at least they have a choice and they get a tax credit. I still think we have a lot of work to do on the Affordable Care Act, but we need some kind of plan for people who want insurance. I've been there, at that time, I couldn't find anything for less than $600 a month. So, I was uninsured for a short period of time. At that time, I was paying cash when I went to the doctor. I tried to get an appointment with a specialist once an NO one would take me because I didn't have insurance. I heard my doctor on the phone saying,'She always pays cash" and they still said no. Thank God it wasn't serious but I was scared and felt really bad. This is the kind of thing that breaks my heart.

Since: Sep 13

Ravenswood

#26770 Oct 11, 2013
George
What insurance companies don't ask if you are a smoker. Or if you are a diabetic or have heart disease, and if you do, they can say you can't have insurance. That's not fair either.
And what do guns have to do with health care?
And what huge fine? It will be 1% of your family income. It does go up but only about $58.00 a year.
beautifulmind

Heraklion, Greece

#26771 Oct 11, 2013
Well Duh wrote:
<quoted text> As I explained t George there is a major gap that could spin it out of cotrol. That is the young. They are counting on them to help pay for this and help with the ofset of the older people. If it was me being hat young, I would not enoll. The fine for the first couple years in less then the purchase of Obamacare. And if they need health coverage, then they can sign up, for there is no denial of a pre-existing condition.
yeah relying on the youth for $$ is not a good idea. We're covered up to our eyeballs in debt. a good deal of us are still living with our parents. there aren't any good jobs for us. as of now, the future is pretty darn bleak for america's youth.

and don't say well why don't you get a better job?? there aren't enough for us all to have one. some of us yeah. we were told if you go to college and get a degree you'll get a job that will enable you to live an easy life....as in...live like someone in the middle class. so we go into debt chasing after this dream and in the end....all we gained was debt.

and also rising prices of....everything. unless you're a twenty-something, you don't get it.
beautifulmind

Heraklion, Greece

#26772 Oct 11, 2013
George wrote:
I am sure there will be alot of smokers who do not sign up and just pay the fine because of the BS in the ACA that denies them the same subsidies as everyone else. This is absolutely unfair. There are many things people do that are unhealthy, such as being obese, alcoholics, gorging on fatty foods, etc. To single out smokers is BS. But I suspect once it gets going then they will try add those other things. Then they can tell you what you can or cant eat, can or cant do, or not get subsidies. When you think about it, in theory they can say if you own a gun you wont get the subsidies. Hell, in theory, since SCOTUS allowed this, whats not to say they cant pass a law that says either get rid of all you guns or pay a huge fine. Yes it is unconstitutional to tell people they cant own guns, but they can make you pay a fine if you dont, the exact same principle as the ACA which the court allowed.
whoa. this is soo smart!! you're totally right! i hadn't thought about all of this before, but now i get it....ACA is bad. there's too much potential for misuse.
beautifulmind

Heraklion, Greece

#26773 Oct 11, 2013
WOW wrote:
<quoted text>
144 a month for a family making 25,000 a year is a good bit when you have to pay high deductibles. In some cases even a co pay
yeah a family making that amount of $$ usually is just scraping by. Trying to pay for bills/food/housing/etc. people have to choose between those things sometimes because there's not enough $$ to go around.$144/month is a lot for them....

Since: Sep 13

Ravenswood

#26774 Oct 11, 2013
I do get it! I have kids that have massive student loans. It's criminal what these people are doing to you. And I'm not taking about just one party but all partiers. WE have to change this! This is not a democrat or republican problem, it's everyones problem. It's sad our children have to leave WV to get a job that pays for the education they have had. I don't see a way out of this. These kids want to stay but can't. Then what we have left are the ones that want to live off the government. And call themselves redneck good old boys.
George

United States

#26775 Oct 11, 2013
Melissa Harris The 2nd wrote:
George
What insurance companies don't ask if you are a smoker. Or if you are a diabetic or have heart disease, and if you do, they can say you can't have insurance. That's not fair either.
And what do guns have to do with health care?
And what huge fine? It will be 1% of your family income. It does go up but only about $58.00 a year.
In 2016, the fines will be $695 or 2.5%, whichever s greater, and $2085 or 2.5%, whichever is greater. So in other words, an individual making less than 30K will have to pay a $695 fine, and familes making less than 100K will have to pay a $2085 fine. DO you honestly think that for a family making 25K a year $2085 is pocket change? How about a family struggling making only 15K a year, you think $2085 is pocket change? That is almost 14% of their income. That is insane. Stop being silly and making light of important things just because you are afraid if you expose the truth because people might criticize your dear leader and the ACA.
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Since: Oct 13

Mommy and Daddy

#26777 Oct 11, 2013
Melissa Harris The 2nd wrote:
I do get it! I have kids that have massive student loans. It's criminal what these people are doing to you. And I'm not taking about just one party but all partiers. WE have to change this! This is not a democrat or republican problem, it's everyones problem. It's sad our children have to leave WV to get a job that pays for the education they have had. I don't see a way out of this. These kids want to stay but can't. Then what we have left are the ones that want to live off the government. And call themselves redneck good old boys.
The quote below is from your post #25564 dated October 1st. So you are saying that your middle aged children still have "massive student loans"? Sounds like they have been quite successful.

"I had a grandson studying to be a computer and electrical engineer. I had a granddaughter studying for her Phd.
They had FULL scholarships. And they worked part time. THANK GOD they were able to stay on their parents insurance. NO ONE in my family has EVER "sponged" off anyone you fucking idiot. One is nor 26 yet and has an engineering. You are judging everyone from your upbringing.

BUT if something had been wrong and they had to have gov. assistance, I would still be proud of them for their accomplishments".
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Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#26780 Oct 11, 2013
George wrote:
<quoted text>I am still unclear on the proposal you mention. Some articles said it included the medical tax device removal and others say it didnt. If it did include that, that was the straw that broke the camel. If it didnt I think the dems missed a big change to avert some of this nonsense because yes, it is only fair to give individuals a year exemption like many others got.
There must be two George's on here. One minute you talk one way and the next you go in a different direct. Which is for some corrections in Obama Care or none. I really do not understand where you are on the issues. The only thing I wish they would do with Obama Care is cut the cost down and lower the co-pays and deductibles. Why in the hell would anyone want this if when they worked and had health insurance paid half of what this costs and had better coverage. This is so stupid. Oh and also forcing you to pay for this crap. I just got a letter from Blu Cross that they are no longer going to cover me because they couldn't follow the Obama Care guidelines. Shopped for a new policy with same coverage. Couldn't find one and the ones I found had a lot less coverage and cost twice as much. Good job Obama, you da man.

“what it is, is what it is!”

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#26781 Oct 11, 2013
beautifulmind wrote:
<quoted text>where did you get that number? lol you're out of your mind!
Look it up. Over 1 billion in China and a little over 10 billion in the world.

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