Since: Feb 13

Fairmont, WV

#62 Oct 13, 2013
Also, idiot, you're not aware that American prisons are facing a crisis related to overcrowding as America has the highest rate of incarcerated individuals per capita of any other country!

GET LOST -- YOU HAVE NO REASONABLE ARGUMENTS TO MAKE CONCERNING THIS SUBJECT!
Batman

Elkins, WV

#63 Oct 13, 2013
I have been perscribed narcotics, after an accident, I have been perscribed medication for PTSD, and adderal for add. 4 out of my 5 sibling are addicts, so do not say, it Is sustained from abuse, or any other factor, bc I have been through their countless 'recoveries'. I have seen addiction first hand, I have watched their decisions result in children being removed. Where they cry to seek pity, while their children are thrown in with strangers. Iam a student in psychology and have a hobby of neuro science and drug addiction. Because I have tried to understand their selfish acts. I have looked for excuses for their selfishness. I have done and tried drugs myself, while our nature vs nurture was very similar, I loved my children enough to know...they do not stop until they are ready, wether it be jail time, rehab. The do not stop until they make that choice! We are all saying they need help! There is no argument. I do not care what an uneducated hillbilly that's prob using 'disease' to cover up their own choices through life thinks of me. I just hope your family falls for it, the 'victim' show, while all addicts do is victimize. It's a sad world when adults are fighting to not be held responsible for what they do.
mofia

United States

#64 Oct 13, 2013
Don't argue with big suze either. She is also another democrat who knows everything. Just be good sheeple and follow blindly. Their plan is working great so why ask questions now?
Batman

Elkins, WV

#65 Oct 13, 2013
Well, maybe their high while writing on this site, maybe their argumentative personality is not their fault, and we should feel bad for them. Maybe if they shoot up a 7-11 it wouldn't be their fault! They are diseases!
Batman

Elkins, WV

#66 Oct 13, 2013
It's ridiculous how opinionated ignorant people are.

Since: Feb 13

Fairmont, WV

#67 Oct 13, 2013
Batman wrote:
I have been perscribed narcotics, after an accident, I have been perscribed medication for PTSD, and adderal for add. 4 out of my 5 sibling are addicts, so do not say, it Is sustained from abuse, or any other factor, bc I have been through their countless 'recoveries'. I have seen addiction first hand, I have watched their decisions result in children being removed. Where they cry to seek pity, while their children are thrown in with strangers. Iam a student in psychology and have a hobby of neuro science and drug addiction. Because I have tried to understand their selfish acts. I have looked for excuses for their selfishness. I have done and tried drugs myself, while our nature vs nurture was very similar, I loved my children enough to know...they do not stop until they are ready, wether it be jail time, rehab. The do not stop until they make that choice! We are all saying they need help! There is no argument. I do not care what an uneducated hillbilly that's prob using 'disease' to cover up their own choices through life thinks of me. I just hope your family falls for it, the 'victim' show, while all addicts do is victimize. It's a sad world when adults are fighting to not be held responsible for what they do.
You SHOULD NOT be in a psychology-based field. In order to be successful in any counseling or psychology related field, you have to have empathy. You cannot help anyone if you are a black and white "thinker" that believes that incarceration is always the best response to non-violent crimes.

I'm sorry if the majority of your siblings are hooked on drugs, but that only proves the genetic predisposition inherent to drug dependency. Yes, some must go back to rehab, but even then the outcomes of treatment with a cognitive therapy component are much more successful than jail time (which actually increases offenses). An addict must decide to quit, but without the system to support their efforts, the failure is not only the addicts, but also society's as well.
Local resident

Clarksburg, WV

#68 Oct 13, 2013
Sad wrote:
<quoted text>
These people are not in jail because they have an addiction. They are in jail because they have an ILLEGAL addiction. Most addicts don't just do drugs but deal them also. I do not have pity on a drug addict. YES...they chose to do drugs knowing the end results. I do feel sympathy for the people who have illness and disease that they did NOT bring on themselves. Addiction is not a DISEASE. It is a DECISION. There is a huge difference.
I could not agree with you more!! It is most certainly a decision & I as well do not have pity what so ever for a drug addict! It was their DECISION to CHOOSE to do drugs!! Just like it is my decision to choose not to! They were not born with an illness or a disease, they brought it upon themselves! And most drug addicts are also dealers. It's easier for them from a financial stand point to feed their addiction that way. Many drug addicts are also thieves and will steal from anyone and everyone, including family, in order to get their next fix. It's sickening and sad. Unfortunately I feel it's something we will always see in our small little town, no matter how many arrests are made or how many people are ordered some type of sentence to get clean, wether it be rehab or whatever. These types of people are giving our town such a horrible reputation.
WOW

Stuarts Draft, VA

#69 Oct 13, 2013
Sad and Batman, obviously in my many years in public service/relations (with a medical background by the way) I have come to realize that people can educate themselves to the point they become stupid. Take Space-Cowboy for example, very articulate in his rhetoric but his debate becomes insolent as he feels inferior ( must suffer from little man complex). So I know my comment will have a remark, I do not care, because I follow an old rule a wise person once said, "You can't argue with stupid!"
Unbelievable

Clarksburg, WV

#70 Oct 13, 2013
Townleader wrote:
I am sick of people.DO YOU ALL NOT UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO STOP COLD TURKEY.AND IT'S NOT THAT EASY FOR THEM?MAYBE IF YOU WERE ADDICTED TO PAINKILLER'S AND OTHER SHIT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND.IT'S FUCKING PAINFUL PHYSICAL AND MENTAL.WITHDRAWLING CAN TAKE WEEK'S MONTH'S EVEN THEN YOU ARE STILL NOT FULLY RECOVERED.I MEAN COME ON. IT'S LIKE YOUR DIEING.I SEEN IT AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH.SO STOPPING COLD TURKEY MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA THEY CAN GO INTO SEIZURES AND FRIGGIN DIE.AND YES PEOPLE HAS DIED FROM WITHDRAWLS. HEART FAILURE AND SHIT.
Wow. I hope you're not really a leader of this town in any way. Friggin die? People has died?? I seen it??? Wow.
Townleader

Weston, WV

#71 Oct 13, 2013
I understand what everyone is saying here and I thank you all for your different opinions. But some I agree with other's I am not so sure.I just have someone who is in trouble with having a addiction problem and it's not fair that he got into trouble and the dealer did not but of course he did not say who he bought it from or where.He is in trouble for buying something to keep him not so sick.

Since: Sep 13

Fairmont, WV

#72 Oct 13, 2013
Yes "Local Resident" it is something "you will always see in your small town" BECAUSE OF IGNORANT PIECES OF SH*T like yourself that have no interest IN DOING WHAT IS PROVEN TO WORK!

NONE OF YOU WORTHLESS, PIECE OF SH*T REDNECKS HAS ADDRESSED ANYTHING WRITTEN IN THIS POST BY HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE PROVIDED FACTS REGARDING WHAT WORKS TO STOP DRUG ABUSE!

IT DOESN'T F**KING GODDAMN MATTER HOW SOMEONE STARTED ABUSING DRUGS: WHETHER THEY STARTED IN THE ARMY FOR PTSD, OR WHETHER THEIR DOCTOR GOT THEM STARTED ON PAIN PILLS OR WHETHER THEY WERE DOING AS MANY KIDS DO AND EXPERIMENTING!

WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT WORKS TO GET THEM OFF AND KEEP THEM OFF!

ARE YOU IGNORANT, HYPOCRITICAL, UNCHRISTIAN, HATE-FILLED SMALL TOWN YOKELS REALLY THIS STUPID?!

IT'S NOT ABOUT PITY! IT'S ABOUT WHAT WORKS!

ALL OF YOU SHOULD FEEL PROFOUND SHAME AT YOUR IGNORANCE -- I HAVE LIVED IN MANY PLACES BUT I HAVE NEVER ENCOUNTERED HATEFUL IGNORANCE LIKE THAT IN CENTRAL WEST VIRGINIA.

YOU ARE TERRIBLE AND UNCOMMONLY IGNORANT PEOPLE.

Since: Feb 13

Fairmont, WV

#73 Oct 13, 2013
Are you people completely brain dead? Do we need to link to every study, statistic, and every foreign drug policy to show you morons what works?

How about this analysis that shows that better addiction treatment programs can drastically reduce West Virginia's overcrowded prison population?

http://wvmetronews.com/2013/01/23/analyst-bet...

Or how about this study that shows how much money can be saved by successfully treating drug offenders rather than sending them to jail?

http://scienceblogs.com/thepumphandle/2013/05...

Not enough? Okay then, how about this actual study from the Justice Institute that finds drug treatment is less expensive and more successful than throwing drug addicts into over-crowded and underfunded prisons?

http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicep...

You want more? How about United Nations and World Health Organization findings and recommendations and findings concerning effective treatment for drug addiction?

http://www.unodc.org/docs/treatment/Guide_E.p...

Oh, I forgot, most of you are idiots that have never read a Diagnostic Statistic Manual, so here's what it says about underlying mental disorders and drug abuse!

http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Substance%20Use...

Now enough! Admit that you are stupid and unqualified jacka**es that have nothing remotely intelligent to say regarding this issue.

JUST. STOP. IT.
Local resident

Clarksburg, WV

#74 Oct 13, 2013
Space-Cowboy wrote:
Yes "Local Resident" it is something "you will always see in your small town" BECAUSE OF IGNORANT PIECES OF SH*T like yourself that have no interest IN DOING WHAT IS PROVEN TO WORK!
NONE OF YOU WORTHLESS, PIECE OF SH*T REDNECKS HAS ADDRESSED ANYTHING WRITTEN IN THIS POST BY HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE PROVIDED FACTS REGARDING WHAT WORKS TO STOP DRUG ABUSE!
IT DOESN'T F**KING GODDAMN MATTER HOW SOMEONE STARTED ABUSING DRUGS: WHETHER THEY STARTED IN THE ARMY FOR PTSD, OR WHETHER THEIR DOCTOR GOT THEM STARTED ON PAIN PILLS OR WHETHER THEY WERE DOING AS MANY KIDS DO AND EXPERIMENTING!
WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT WORKS TO GET THEM OFF AND KEEP THEM OFF!
ARE YOU IGNORANT, HYPOCRITICAL, UNCHRISTIAN, HATE-FILLED SMALL TOWN YOKELS REALLY THIS STUPID?!
IT'S NOT ABOUT PITY! IT'S ABOUT WHAT WORKS!
ALL OF YOU SHOULD FEEL PROFOUND SHAME AT YOUR IGNORANCE -- I HAVE LIVED IN MANY PLACES BUT I HAVE NEVER ENCOUNTERED HATEFUL IGNORANCE LIKE THAT IN CENTRAL WEST VIRGINIA.
YOU ARE TERRIBLE AND UNCOMMONLY IGNORANT PEOPLE.
Hey you stupid piece of f*ck, maybe you can't read or your comprehension isn't so well, but I'd like for you to tell me where my ignorant piece of sh!t self said I wasn't interested in doing what is proven to work. NOWHERE did I say 'Hey, let's lock them up & throw away the key.' But please, correct me if I'm wrong on that like you have everyone else!! All I said was it's a choice & a decision an individual makes on their own. Making excuse after excuse for them is NEVER going to help! To me that's just the same as enabling. Yes some people become addicted to pain killers after being prescribed by a doctor, but that is no reason for them to go buy it from some drug dealer off the streets. They should seek help if they find themselves in a situation like that. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. It doesn't matter how you sugar coat it. I am all for an addict getting clean. Like I said, they are ruining this town. But I would appreciate it if you wouldn't assume I'm some dumb, ignorant hick who thinks they should just be locked up and never given any type of actual help.

Since: Feb 13

Fairmont, WV

#75 Oct 13, 2013
You are a dumb ignorant hick because you obviously don't know or don't care enough about the science of drug addiction to know what makes an addict predisposed to drug dependency. Yes, an addict has to choose to quit, but what does that matter when there are so few treatment programs in your state that he/she has to be thrown in jail because of a five month wait?

We are talking about people who were sexually abused and had their brain chemistry altered due to that abuse; we are talking about a large section of veterans who have been prescribed tons of medications they cannot get off of because physicians do not know before hand whether they have addictive personality traits or undiagnosed mental disorders.

You locals have to get the Hell over this rigid obsession with what you think is "personal responsibility." Do we look at cancer patients and say "Well, we ain't gonna treat you because this wouldn't have happened if you were responsible."

Screw you idiots.

Unless you are a psychologist, a neuroscientist, or a counselor, then I don't want to hear another Goddamned word from any of you.

You local idiots are the worst there is when it comes to thinking you can have an opinion about something without knowing anything about it.

Well guess what? YOU CAN'T.
Batman

Elkins, WV

#76 Oct 13, 2013
Local resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey you stupid piece of f*ck, maybe you can't read or your comprehension isn't so well, but I'd like for you to tell me where my ignorant piece of sh!t self said I wasn't interested in doing what is proven to work. NOWHERE did I say 'Hey, let's lock them up & throw away the key.' But please, correct me if I'm wrong on that like you have everyone else!! All I said was it's a choice & a decision an individual makes on their own. Making excuse after excuse for them is NEVER going to help! To me that's just the same as enabling. Yes some people become addicted to pain killers after being prescribed by a doctor, but that is no reason for them to go buy it from some drug dealer off the streets. They should seek help if they find themselves in a situation like that. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. It doesn't matter how you sugar coat it. I am all for an addict getting clean. Like I said, they are ruining this town. But I would appreciate it if you wouldn't assume I'm some dumb, ignorant hick who thinks they should just be locked up and never given any type of actual help.
agreed, they just like to argue, I never said lock up and throw away the key. We all have our own mind, choices and because they are addicts, should not keep them above the law, that is my point. Do I believe people should look beyond theft,or riding in a car with a full pipe and their children in the backseat(all non violent), should we look past neglect to their children? Children being left alone for drug runs or going along? No, I do not. They spend a lot of time self medicating, much effort is involved being an active addict..then they can go to the dr. Get on legal medicine. But they choose not too because they don't get the high they want in the process. 2-hydro 10's is a month script of Wellbutrin. 4.00 scripts of Prozac at Walmart. Sliding fee at so many clinics. There is no feasible excuse.
Sad

Fairmont, WV

#77 Oct 13, 2013
There are some people who think only their way is right (space boy and big loser..lol). These are the kinds of stupid people you cannot have a debate with because they are never wrong, turn to name calling and yelling in all caps. And they wonder why no one takes them seriously..lmao!

Since: Sep 13

Fairmont, WV

#78 Oct 13, 2013
Let's be perfectly clear. A number of individuals have stated facts on this thread. Many of you do not understand how a debate works. When someone lists a fact related to drug abuse, the ball is then in your court to counter that fact with another fact (if one exists).

Central West Virginians are completely incapable of this. Those of us with critical thinking skills make a point by citing a fact, then an ignorant West Virginian chooses not to counter the fact or even acknowledge it before repeating generalized and biased jargon.

You deserve to be called names because none of you have ideas to fix the problem, but all of you still think you're entitled to say something.

That's not how it works.
Batman

Elkins, WV

#79 Oct 13, 2013
Sad wrote:
There are some people who think only their way is right (space boy and big loser..lol). These are the kinds of stupid people you cannot have a debate with because they are never wrong, turn to name calling and yelling in all caps. And they wonder why no one takes them seriously..lmao!
they lack empathy,...I mean...THEY LACK EMPATHY!!!!! Lol.(Add some crazy curse words, a name calling here)
Kudos

Elkins, WV

#80 Oct 13, 2013
Townleader wrote:
I understand what everyone is saying here and I thank you all for your different opinions. But some I agree with other's I am not so sure.I just have someone who is in trouble with having a addiction problem and it's not fair that he got into trouble and the dealer did not but of course he did not say who he bought it from or where.He is in trouble for buying something to keep him not so sick.
I really hope your friend can receive the help that he/she needs with the addiction. The unfortunate part is that he/she did purchase substance illegally therefore must face whatever consequence our justice system has. But as this person's friend, you can be there and try to see if some type of treatment can be given to help. As you should know, Topix is not the ideal forum to try and reach out. But best of luck!
Batman

Elkins, WV

#81 Oct 14, 2013
Racheal wrote:
Our sheriff in Lewis county realizes this. He just requested a full time home confinement officer which will help decrease regional jail fees and make sure non-violent criminals are following home confinement rules. The sheriff appears to be very wise to be so young. We need more young, intelligent officials in office.
home confinement sounds great! If the state (during their confinement) would look into underlying mental and emotional problems.

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