Drug Addiction & Jail!

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Townleader

Weston, WV

#1 Oct 10, 2013
I am so sick of reading these darn threads about who is who and who did what.Who cares?And as for people being addictions go well I try to understand it from their point of veiw.Addiction is like a mental illness people.And I try to understand what withdrawl's are like for them too.Painful as hell I seen people go through withdrawl's and it is not a pretty site.Yes it was their choice to pick up the drug but did they choose to grow up to be drug addicted?I think not.I feel instead of throwing people that are drug addicted in jail maybe if their was more treatment clinic's out there or maybe if there was even a drug made for the addiction itself.And no suboxone,and methadone treatment's might not be the right way to go but serously people throwing these people who has addiction problem's in jail is a waste of tax payer's dollars.We need to start worrying about child molestor's,Robbery's and murder now day's.Why don't we pay more tax dollars on finding the missing little girl in weston?
Racheal

Weston, WV

#2 Oct 11, 2013
Our sheriff in Lewis county realizes this. He just requested a full time home confinement officer which will help decrease regional jail fees and make sure non-violent criminals are following home confinement rules. The sheriff appears to be very wise to be so young. We need more young, intelligent officials in office.
Sad

Fairmont, WV

#3 Oct 11, 2013
Townleader wrote:
I am so sick of reading these darn threads about who is who and who did what.Who cares?And as for people being addictions go well I try to understand it from their point of veiw.Addiction is like a mental illness people.And I try to understand what withdrawl's are like for them too.Painful as hell I seen people go through withdrawl's and it is not a pretty site.Yes it was their choice to pick up the drug but did they choose to grow up to be drug addicted?I think not.I feel instead of throwing people that are drug addicted in jail maybe if their was more treatment clinic's out there or maybe if there was even a drug made for the addiction itself.And no suboxone,and methadone treatment's might not be the right way to go but serously people throwing these people who has addiction problem's in jail is a waste of tax payer's dollars.We need to start worrying about child molestor's,Robbery's and murder now day's.Why don't we pay more tax dollars on finding the missing little girl in weston?
These people are not in jail because they have an addiction. They are in jail because they have an ILLEGAL addiction. Most addicts don't just do drugs but deal them also. I do not have pity on a drug addict. YES...they chose to do drugs knowing the end results. I do feel sympathy for the people who have illness and disease that they did NOT bring on themselves. Addiction is not a DISEASE. It is a DECISION. There is a huge difference.
LC Resident

Alexandria, VA

#4 Oct 11, 2013
Lock em up Adam!

Since: Sep 13

Fairmont, WV

#5 Oct 11, 2013
Sad wrote:
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These people are not in jail because they have an addiction. They are in jail because they have an ILLEGAL addiction. Most addicts don't just do drugs but deal them also. I do not have pity on a drug addict. YES...they chose to do drugs knowing the end results. I do feel sympathy for the people who have illness and disease that they did NOT bring on themselves. Addiction is not a DISEASE. It is a DECISION. There is a huge difference.
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and you would be wise not say anything else. Experts in the field of psychology and drug related dependencies have know for quite a while that drug dependency is linked to underlying mental disorders. This is why you will often hear the term "self-medicate" when a professional is discussing drug addiction. You simply cannot treat drug addiction effectively without treating the underlying psychological disorders. Countries with very low drug abuse rates understand this and treat all drug related crimes through cognitive therapy rather than simply incarcerating the individuals. This is not only cheaper for tax payers in the long run, but also prevents the creation of career criminals while effectively treating drug abuse.

If we were to follow your "logic" the demand for drugs would never stop, the number of career criminals would increase, and the burden on tax payers would continue to grow.
Whatever

Greenville, VA

#6 Oct 11, 2013
Space-Cowboy wrote:
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You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and you would be wise not say anything else. Experts in the field of psychology and drug related dependencies have know for quite a while that drug dependency is linked to underlying mental disorders. This is why you will often hear the term "self-medicate" when a professional is discussing drug addiction. You simply cannot treat drug addiction effectively without treating the underlying psychological disorders. Countries with very low drug abuse rates understand this and treat all drug related crimes through cognitive therapy rather than simply incarcerating the individuals. This is not only cheaper for tax payers in the long run, but also prevents the creation of career criminals while effectively treating drug abuse.
If we were to follow your "logic" the demand for drugs would never stop, the number of career criminals would increase, and the burden on tax payers would continue to grow.
Space-Cowboy, I have no idea who you are or what your background is in. Honestly, it doesn't matter. I occasionally scroll the Topix forums and see some of your comments and this time I am commenting. The comment from Sad was very well stated and has his/her opinion as well as facts. It is by choice that an individual becomes addicted to any type of substance illegal or non. Yes you are correct with your statement that underlying psychological disorders may be the link to the dependency. Nevertheless, it all goes back to choice. This is all that Sad was stating and that "choice" if illegal has consequences and therefore doesn't warrant your being insolent and fatuous.
Sad

Fairmont, WV

#7 Oct 11, 2013
Space-Cowboy wrote:
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You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and you would be wise not say anything else. Experts in the field of psychology and drug related dependencies have know for quite a while that drug dependency is linked to underlying mental disorders. This is why you will often hear the term "self-medicate" when a professional is discussing drug addiction. You simply cannot treat drug addiction effectively without treating the underlying psychological disorders. Countries with very low drug abuse rates understand this and treat all drug related crimes through cognitive therapy rather than simply incarcerating the individuals. This is not only cheaper for tax payers in the long run, but also prevents the creation of career criminals while effectively treating drug abuse.
If we were to follow your "logic" the demand for drugs would never stop, the number of career criminals would increase, and the burden on tax payers would continue to grow.
Who are you to tell me I would be wise not to say anything else? No one! Lots of people in this world have "problems". They don't all turn to drugs and become addicts. That's because it's a CHOICE. These people are deciding on their OWN to choose drugs over dealing with their problems. No one is forcing that life on them and it's NOT a disease they were born with. Don't make excuses for someone else's bad decisions. Obviously you or someone close to you, is or has been an addict and that's why you find this offensive.
Sad

Fairmont, WV

#8 Oct 11, 2013
Whatever wrote:
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Space-Cowboy, I have no idea who you are or what your background is in. Honestly, it doesn't matter. I occasionally scroll the Topix forums and see some of your comments and this time I am commenting. The comment from Sad was very well stated and has his/her opinion as well as facts. It is by choice that an individual becomes addicted to any type of substance illegal or non. Yes you are correct with your statement that underlying psychological disorders may be the link to the dependency. Nevertheless, it all goes back to choice. This is all that Sad was stating and that "choice" if illegal has consequences and therefore doesn't warrant your being insolent and fatuous.
Thank you. But somehow I'm sure he still won't understand what we are explaining.
Allison

Fairmont, WV

#9 Oct 11, 2013
First off, I am a psychologist who specializes in addiction and I am currently working to bring more treatment centers to this area. Drug addiction IS a disease. For example, a person can be prescribed pain killers for 50 years and quit no problem, while an addict on the other hand will go into withdrawal after only a few pills. Look it up if you don't believe it. Addiction is a disease and needs to be treated as such. The number one reason the drug problem has gotten so out of control in this area is because of people believing its not a mental illness! If you are going to argue on something, at least make sure you know the facts! I've treated numerous addicts and 9 times out of 10 there was an underlying mental disorder other then addiction!
Allison

Fairmont, WV

#10 Oct 11, 2013
And here is some more information to help you understand the difference between a normal person and an addict.. With a drug addict, their addiction causes their brain to send false signals which then makes it quit producing endorphins (these sensors in the brain that naturally produce chemicals similar to a "high") once the brain stops making these endorphins, any time an addict stops taking a drug it sends then into withdrawals. Only the brain of an addict will quit making the endorphins, a normal healthy person has no trouble taking pain pills for years on end then stopping with zero trouble. Addiction is a disease. Do your research before judging these people in such hurtful ways. If not, the problem will only get worse. And another thing, throwing an addict in jail to "dry out" only makes the problem 10 times worse. This mentality is what's killing our community!
Sad

Fairmont, WV

#11 Oct 11, 2013
Allison wrote:
And here is some more information to help you understand the difference between a normal person and an addict.. With a drug addict, their addiction causes their brain to send false signals which then makes it quit producing endorphins (these sensors in the brain that naturally produce chemicals similar to a "high") once the brain stops making these endorphins, any time an addict stops taking a drug it sends then into withdrawals. Only the brain of an addict will quit making the endorphins, a normal healthy person has no trouble taking pain pills for years on end then stopping with zero trouble. Addiction is a disease. Do your research before judging these people in such hurtful ways. If not, the problem will only get worse. And another thing, throwing an addict in jail to "dry out" only makes the problem 10 times worse. This mentality is what's killing our community!
If they DONT put drugs in their system to begin with, then there is NO addiction! What don't you understand?
Allison

Fairmont, WV

#12 Oct 11, 2013
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfac...

And this is a government website! Do your research people before you make the problem worse than it already is!

Since: Sep 13

Fairmont, WV

#13 Oct 11, 2013
"Sad" and "Whatever," You have nothing at all remotely helpful or informative to say regarding this topic.

1. You do not understand the excessive costs associated with treating drug dependence as a crime rather than a disease.

2. You do not know the comparative policies of other countries regarding their treatment of drug abuse and how much more effective those policies are in comparison with America's "lock em' all up" attitude.

3. You do not know that there is not only a correlation, but also causation in relation to drug abuse and treatable mental disorders.

4. You do not know the statistics that show that non-violent drug addicts are statistically far more likely to become career criminals if incarcerated vs. much lower rates of repeated offenses if their drug addiction is addressed in a treatment program.

So I say this again -- STOP IT. I know you live in an area where everyone believes he/she is is entitled to an opinion no matter how uninformed it is, and I also know that most of you were raised to "think" (and I use that term loosely) that everything is black and white.

What you are showcasing is called "willful ignorance." It does not address the underlying complexity of the issues being discussed and therefore serves no useful purpose other than to reveal your own uninformed ignorance and bias.
Sad

Greenville, VA

#14 Oct 11, 2013
I'm all for addicts getting help. I completely agree that they should get a second chance at life if they are willing to go without drugs. But I do NOT make excuses for them such as it's a disease. It was a decision. I was not raised in wv but live here now. I also was not raised to think that everything is black and white. But I say it how it IS. You won't find any "excuses" from me on this topic.
Wise Old Owl

Independence, WV

#15 Oct 11, 2013
Space-Cowboy wrote:
"Sad" and "Whatever," You have nothing at all remotely helpful or informative to say regarding this topic.
1. You do not understand the excessive costs associated with treating drug dependence as a crime rather than a disease.
2. You do not know the comparative policies of other countries regarding their treatment of drug abuse and how much more effective those policies are in comparison with America's "lock em' all up" attitude.
3. You do not know that there is not only a correlation, but also causation in relation to drug abuse and treatable mental disorders.
4. You do not know the statistics that show that non-violent drug addicts are statistically far more likely to become career criminals if incarcerated vs. much lower rates of repeated offenses if their drug addiction is addressed in a treatment program.
So I say this again -- STOP IT. I know you live in an area where everyone believes he/she is is entitled to an opinion no matter how uninformed it is, and I also know that most of you were raised to "think" (and I use that term loosely) that everything is black and white.
What you are showcasing is called "willful ignorance." It does not address the underlying complexity of the issues being discussed and therefore serves no useful purpose other than to reveal your own uninformed ignorance and bias.
You do not know that there IS such a thing as free will and choises. Addicts did not get hit by a bus. What you are showcasing is called"rationazation. "

Since: Sep 13

Fairmont, WV

#16 Oct 11, 2013
If you're so "wise" then why can't you spell? Also, what I am showcasing are facts regarding how you solve a problem morally and comprehensively.

Also, "Sad," you're in no way "saying it as it IS." You are saying things that an uninformed, uneducated fool with no critical thinking skills would "say things."
Sad

Fairmont, WV

#17 Oct 11, 2013
Space-Cowboy wrote:
If you're so "wise" then why can't you spell? Also, what I am showcasing are facts regarding how you solve a problem morally and comprehensively.
Also, "Sad," you're in no way "saying it as it IS." You are saying things that an uninformed, uneducated fool with no critical thinking skills would "say things."
Who MAKES these people do drugs? Who FORCES them to be addicts? No one does!! It's a CHOICE! Please explain to me how I'm uninformed by knowing how an addict becomes an addict! A person all by themself decides to put it in their system and then continues to do so knowing what they are doing. Go feed your stupid excuses to someone else.

Since: Sep 13

Fairmont, WV

#18 Oct 11, 2013
"Sad," GET THE HELL OFF OF HERE UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY!

There are numerous ways an individual predisposed to addiction gets hooked on a drug.

First of all IDIOT, you live in an area where the majority of jobs are physical labor. As a result of this labor, many individuals are prescribed pain pills -- WHICH THEY THEN GET HOOKED ON BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY TRAITS.

Second of all MORON, much like sex, kids are going to try drugs no matter how much you tell them not to. Many aren't predisposed to addiction, so they do not get hooked, those that have underlying addictive traits GET HOOKED.

Third, you SACK OF IMMORAL EXCREMENT, you haven't addressed the COST of locking up non-violent drug offenders vs. the cost of treatment programs. Treatment programs not only work, they cost MUCH LESS than throwing drug addicts in jail.

Finally, you UNCOMMONLY DENSE IMBECILE, your uncompromising stupidity is what's leading to overflowing jails, career criminals, and higher taxes. ALL BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU CAN PUNISH PEOPLE INTO MORALITY.

So, come on! Let's hear some more of your small town uneducated bullsh*t! Also, if you're so fond of an expensive, irrational, and ineffective "lock em' all up" policy that MAKES ALL OF US LESS SAFE WHILE DOING NOTHING TO STOP DEMAND FOR DRUGS, then maybe you should be the one responsible for paying for it.
Sad

Fairmont, WV

#19 Oct 11, 2013
Space-Cowboy wrote:
"Sad," GET THE HELL OFF OF HERE UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY!
There are numerous ways an individual predisposed to addiction gets hooked on a drug.
First of all IDIOT, you live in an area where the majority of jobs are physical labor. As a result of this labor, many individuals are prescribed pain pills -- WHICH THEY THEN GET HOOKED ON BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY TRAITS.
Second of all MORON, much like sex, kids are going to try drugs no matter how much you tell them not to. Many aren't predisposed to addiction, so they do not get hooked, those that have underlying addictive traits GET HOOKED.
Third, you SACK OF IMMORAL EXCREMENT, you haven't addressed the COST of locking up non-violent drug offenders vs. the cost of treatment programs. Treatment programs not only work, they cost MUCH LESS than throwing drug addicts in jail.
Finally, you UNCOMMONLY DENSE IMBECILE, your uncompromising stupidity is what's leading to overflowing jails, career criminals, and higher taxes. ALL BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU CAN PUNISH PEOPLE INTO MORALITY.
So, come on! Let's hear some more of your small town uneducated bullsh*t! Also, if you're so fond of an expensive, irrational, and ineffective "lock em' all up" policy that MAKES ALL OF US LESS SAFE WHILE DOING NOTHING TO STOP DEMAND FOR DRUGS, then maybe you should be the one responsible for paying for it.
Are you such an idiot that you cannot COMPREHEND English? Hell, I thought I made it as simple as possible for you. Addiction starts with a CHOICE! My child would understand this better than you. I'm not some small town person with small town beliefs. I've lived most of my life outside of West Virginia. So maybe you should go out in the rest of the world and see what it's all about. Life is full of choices. Sex has nothing to do with drugs. That's like saying everyone who has had sex should be addicted. That's the dumbest comparison ever and shows your level of stupidity. Everyone at some point in their life has sex (minus a few) for lots of reasons. Procreation, love and even for money. But even that is a CHOICE that has serious consequences. Std's, unwanted pregnancy, aids.....most people that have sex don't have to worry about addiction. It's common sense (which you don't have) to know that drugs are extremely addictive so to avoid that scenario, you don't do it! I never said to keep them locked up (which also shows you can't read), but if they are doing something illegal in the process the they should be in jail. If they chose to ruin their own life with drugs, by all means go for it. If they are selling or committing crimes while on it then I believe 100% their ass should be in jail. It's people like you that make excuses for them that are contributing to the drug world by saying it's not their fault, it's a disease.

Since: Sep 13

Fairmont, WV

#20 Oct 11, 2013
No A**HOLE, it's ignorant pieces of unthinking garbage like yourself that is causing our drug problems. Seriously, are you really so stupid that you can't even break down, analyze, and solve a problem? Tell me you deluded a**wipe, which of these scenarios is best?

a. Lockup all non-violent drug users even though our prisons cannot hold all the individuals arrested for non-violent drug charges, not to mention that incarceration is twice as expensive as treatment, and the drug addicts will still be addicted when they get out.

b. Setup treatment programs that not only cost less, but are also proven to treat the underlying causes of addiction which leads to fewer career criminals, and greatly reduces the demand for drugs.
It's a pretty simple choice, but I'm guessing you'll get it wrong because you're an ignorant and immoral douche.

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