2 officers fired after Tasering parade driver, 76

Full story: Alamogordo Daily News

CHEYENNE, Wyo. Two police officers who chased and Tasered a 76-year-old man driving a tractor in a Wyoming town parade have been fired.

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FIRED??? They should have been chased down and Tasered.

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Tasering a 76 year old on a tractor is crazy!
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thats the law for ya tasing the elderly and the females way to go big boys
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Nov 19, 2009
 
Good, they should have been fired cause they could of handled the situation better than how they did. What if that were their father or grandfather. I think justice was done. Police of these days are getting away with too much illegal wrong doings and it's about time someone stands up to them cause hate to say it but some of the officers today think their doo-doo don't stink!!

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Nov 19, 2009
 
Trust me i do not often support the actions of law enforcement as i think most of them......notice i said most are young punks on a power trip. That being said in this case if he wanted to avoid being tasered all he had to do was liten to the officer when he told him he could not drive in a certain area.

Not ignore him drive around him and continue to do what he wanted to. Sometimes people bring this stuff on themselves by not listening to what they are being told to do. I think to stop this guy tasering was probally the best option. How else would yo have stopped him ram him with a police vehicle or maybe yank him bodily off the tractor slamming him to the groun in the process.

Tasering in this circumstance probally cause the old guy the lease amount of damage compared to the alternatives.
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Nov 19, 2009
 
alamo_airforce wrote:
Trust me i do not often support the actions of law enforcement as i think most of them......notice i said most are young punks on a power trip. That being said in this case if he wanted to avoid being tasered all he had to do was liten to the officer when he told him he could not drive in a certain area.
Not ignore him drive around him and continue to do what he wanted to. Sometimes people bring this stuff on themselves by not listening to what they are being told to do. I think to stop this guy tasering was probally the best option. How else would yo have stopped him ram him with a police vehicle or maybe yank him bodily off the tractor slamming him to the groun in the process.
Tasering in this circumstance probally cause the old guy the lease amount of damage compared to the alternatives.
Really? The lease (least) amount of damage would have been to NOT tase him 5 times. He was a 76 year old man with a heart condition, going on a route they had always used to get to a tractor pull after the parade. The police (according to one of the several articles I read) did not communicate the route change to the tractor drivers. The man's son was driving another tractor behind him, so apparently he should have been tased too?

A town-hired consultant's internal investigation and a probe by the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation resulted in the firing of the officers after the initial investigation let them go. I'd say they knew better what really went on than we do. Even the sheriff said 'tasing probably wasn't the smart thing to do'.

These two Barney Fifes also nearly caused a riot, because apparently (again according to one article I read) a large crowd of people (most of the town were participating in the parade) were there defending the old geezer and ready to riot. Unfortunate to have so many witnesses, who by the way turned out to a town meeting en masse to demand the firing of these officers.

They are, of course, appealing the firing, so maybe they will be back, protecting the citizens who wanted them fired. Won't that be fun for everyone. Maybe they can tase some other old farts for fun - oh, sorry - in the line of duty.

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Nov 19, 2009
 
Tahat would be why it is just my opinion. Let me ask you something though. You don't think that seniors get the benifit of the doubt a lot of the time when breaking the law just because they are old and you don't think the shierff said what he said because he did not want more bad press and also to keep his own butt and job secure?

Again just anoth opinion i have. You do not have to agree or disagree just answer the question and try to be civil we all know what opinions are like....
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Really? The lease (least) amount of damage would have been to NOT tase him 5 times. He was a 76 year old man with a heart condition, going on a route they had always used to get to a tractor pull after the parade. The police (according to one of the several articles I read) did not communicate the route change to the tractor drivers. The man's son was driving another tractor behind him, so apparently he should have been tased too?
A town-hired consultant's internal investigation and a probe by the Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation resulted in the firing of the officers after the initial investigation let them go. I'd say they knew better what really went on than we do. Even the sheriff said 'tasing probably wasn't the smart thing to do'.
These two Barney Fifes also nearly caused a riot, because apparently (again according to one article I read) a large crowd of people (most of the town were participating in the parade) were there defending the old geezer and ready to riot. Unfortunate to have so many witnesses, who by the way turned out to a town meeting en masse to demand the firing of these officers.
They are, of course, appealing the firing, so maybe they will be back, protecting the citizens who wanted them fired. Won't that be fun for everyone. Maybe they can tase some other old farts for fun - oh, sorry - in the line of duty.
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Nov 20, 2009
 
The way law inforcement is outa control in this country I won't look at a police man cross eyed any more. This old fart has become frightened of law enforcement in America. Sad Ain't it??
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Nov 20, 2009
 
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Tahat would be why it is just my opinion. Let me ask you something though. You don't think that seniors get the benifit of the doubt a lot of the time when breaking the law just because they are old and you don't think the shierff said what he said because he did not want more bad press and also to keep his own butt and job secure?
Again just anoth opinion i have. You do not have to agree or disagree just answer the question and try to be civil we all know what opinions are like....
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Well, sometimes I agree with you on Topix, sometimes not. This time is kind of mixed. And PLEASE remember, this is just my opinion, too, not to be thought of as requiring agreement.

First, I do agree about the sheriff's comment being very self-serving. Maybe self-protective too, considering what the reports were of the citizens' reactions.

But, I guess I'm also a bit like "joe" who made Post #8 - frightened of (or at least careful to avoid) every law officer I can.

As a senior citizen (just barely), I don't really feel I would (or should) get the benefit of doubt from today's police when it comes to committing a crime. Which is not saying much. Why? Because today's police are generally not about protecting people or giving any of them a break.

I grew up in Alamogordo in the 50's-60's, and was also closely in contact with Alamo DPS in the 80's and 90's (both as a city employee and businessman), and all that time, I never felt intimidated by DPS officers, or in fear of them as officers or people. In fact, many of them were my peers - which may have influenced that feeling. Also, my secondary MOS in the Army was MP Support in Germany (60's), and I was friends with many MP's, and never saw them as anything but regular guys trying to maintain the peace.

Now, however, I feel (remember this is just MY feeling) like most police officers I see are as violent as some of the worst criminals we have here (not Alamogordo any more). They seem really quick to use that taser or baton or even feet and fists. We have news reports of taser use on at least a weekly basis here. With cameras everywhere, recordings of brutality are more regularly available. We recently had one of more than 6 policemen beating and kicking a man to "control" him, a diabetic who didn't respond to their orders because he was in the middle of a seizure. Also there was another graphic presentation of tasing and beating a mentally disabled man, who later died from the ordeal. They are frequent on the news here. Maybe the police consider this an alternative "non-lethal" method of control, and admittedly crime rates are pretty high here, but it seems all the police here are extremely quick to use violence (including tasing) rather than even attempting any other method of control. I'm sorry, but tasers are just too easy to use, since police tout them as "non-lethal" and quick to work (except maybe on the meth-heads here). But here at least 3 people have been killed by them in the last 6 months.(And the police department and city have paid big settlements, too).

Never mind, I could ramble on, but what it all boils down to, really, is that I no longer feel like the police are well-trained officers, charged with guarding citizens' safety, but badged enforcers, trying to intimidate everyone they can. You won't find me getting close to one, at any rate.

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Nov 20, 2009
 
This may surprise you but i totally agre with almost all of what you said. I also think law enforcment now is mainly thugs with badges on power trips. Especially alamogordo DPS. It is just in this one circumstance the whole mess could have been avoided when the officer told him to stop if he stopped not drove around him and continued to drive on and do what he wanted.
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Well, sometimes I agree with you on Topix, sometimes not. This time is kind of mixed. And PLEASE remember, this is just my opinion, too, not to be thought of as requiring agreement.
First, I do agree about the sheriff's comment being very self-serving. Maybe self-protective too, considering what the reports were of the citizens' reactions.
But, I guess I'm also a bit like "joe" who made Post #8 - frightened of (or at least careful to avoid) every law officer I can.
As a senior citizen (just barely), I don't really feel I would (or should) get the benefit of doubt from today's police when it comes to committing a crime. Which is not saying much. Why? Because today's police are generally not about protecting people or giving any of them a break.
I grew up in Alamogordo in the 50's-60's, and was also closely in contact with Alamo DPS in the 80's and 90's (both as a city employee and businessman), and all that time, I never felt intimidated by DPS officers, or in fear of them as officers or people. In fact, many of them were my peers - which may have influenced that feeling. Also, my secondary MOS in the Army was MP Support in Germany (60's), and I was friends with many MP's, and never saw them as anything but regular guys trying to maintain the peace.
Now, however, I feel (remember this is just MY feeling) like most police officers I see are as violent as some of the worst criminals we have here (not Alamogordo any more). They seem really quick to use that taser or baton or even feet and fists. We have news reports of taser use on at least a weekly basis here. With cameras everywhere, recordings of brutality are more regularly available. We recently had one of more than 6 policemen beating and kicking a man to "control" him, a diabetic who didn't respond to their orders because he was in the middle of a seizure. Also there was another graphic presentation of tasing and beating a mentally disabled man, who later died from the ordeal. They are frequent on the news here. Maybe the police consider this an alternative "non-lethal" method of control, and admittedly crime rates are pretty high here, but it seems all the police here are extremely quick to use violence (including tasing) rather than even attempting any other method of control. I'm sorry, but tasers are just too easy to use, since police tout them as "non-lethal" and quick to work (except maybe on the meth-heads here). But here at least 3 people have been killed by them in the last 6 months.(And the police department and city have paid big settlements, too).
Never mind, I could ramble on, but what it all boils down to, really, is that I no longer feel like the police are well-trained officers, charged with guarding citizens' safety, but badged enforcers, trying to intimidate everyone they can. You won't find me getting close to one, at any rate.
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Nov 20, 2009
 
alamo_airforce wrote:
This may surprise you but i totally agre with almost all of what you said. I also think law enforcment now is mainly thugs with badges on power trips. Especially alamogordo DPS. It is just in this one circumstance the whole mess could have been avoided when the officer told him to stop if he stopped not drove around him and continued to drive on and do what he wanted.
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Doesn't surprise me, and thanks. Luckily, I don't know any of the Alamo DPS officers to comment on their power trips, but that wouldn't surprise me, either.

It probably could have avoided the whole thing for the man to follow what the cop said, but he didn't. We'll never know why he didn't - whether he couldn't hear them, or was just an ornery old cuss, or what.
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alamo_airforce wrote:
This may surprise you but i totally agre with almost all of what you said. I also think law enforcment now is mainly thugs with badges on power trips. Especially alamogordo DPS. It is just in this one circumstance the whole mess could have been avoided when the officer told him to stop if he stopped not drove around him and continued to drive on and do what he wanted.
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There were some good DPS officers but the good ones left to be sheriffs or Cloudcroft or Tularosa officers.
The officers left at DPS are abused by a chief and a leiutenent that lies to them and cheats their paychecks.
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Nov 21, 2009
 
I heard DPS is hiring if anyone thinks they can do better. I was an officer for 7 years in Texas. No matter where you go, everyone thinks that the police is crooked, or badge heavy, or liars. Police Officers get lied to on a day to day basis by all sorts of people. They deal with any and all types of people. The ones that call the police usually like the police and support the police but the ones that get called on, usually considers the police as bad guys. Im not trying to say that all cops are angels because there not. I have seen some bad cops but a very high percentage are actually good people. I think that goes for just about all places.

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Nov 21, 2009
 
Yeah i am going to go ahead and quit my better paying job to prove a point about the alamogordo DPS being mostly a bunch or morons. It goes the other way to my man if they cannot handle the job and enfore the laws and ordances of alamogordo they can quit and find work elsewhere.

When an officer is caught sleeping on duty or does not know what type of radar he rund in his vehicle or what band of radar it is there is an issue. These are just two examples their are many more of how incometent they are in this town. Not all mind you but a great percentage. I have had friend in OCSO who told me when a certin female officer has a spar with her boy friend of the moment she will go out and sit somewhere to pull over men she does not like the look of for no reason other than she is mad at men.

Tough job heck yes it is but if you choose to do it and act like an incompetent fool then you either find a different job or accept the criticism that come with you being a moron.
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I heard DPS is hiring if anyone thinks they can do better. I was an officer for 7 years in Texas. No matter where you go, everyone thinks that the police is crooked, or badge heavy, or liars. Police Officers get lied to on a day to day basis by all sorts of people. They deal with any and all types of people. The ones that call the police usually like the police and support the police but the ones that get called on, usually considers the police as bad guys. Im not trying to say that all cops are angels because there not. I have seen some bad cops but a very high percentage are actually good people. I think that goes for just about all places.
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Nov 21, 2009
 
Don't taze me bro. sticker,, I took it off my rear window after being stopped for no reason. Well maybe they had a reason they didn't like the joke..

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Nov 21, 2009
 
How ironic would that have been if they tazed you for having a dont taze me bro sticker on your car. As for stoping people for no reason thst sucks dude sorry it had to happen. I just cannot take DPS seriouly if they stop somebody for speeding as they speed lane change and talk and eat while driving not to mention barely ever use turn signals when changing lanes. I have also sen multiple times them running the red at intersections.

Before the badge bunnies come in here telling me to report it i have many times. I do not know if they get a reprimand or the desk sergeant just says hey dude take it easy some idiots are calling in again to complain.It is probally the second one.
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Don't taze me bro. sticker,, I took it off my rear window after being stopped for no reason. Well maybe they had a reason they didn't like the joke..
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How ironic would that have been if they tazed you for having a dont taze me bro sticker on your car. As for stoping people for no reason thst sucks dude sorry it had to happen. I just cannot take DPS seriouly if they stop somebody for speeding as they speed lane change and talk and eat while driving not to mention barely ever use turn signals when changing lanes. I have also sen multiple times them running the red at intersections.
Before the badge bunnies come in here telling me to report it i have many times. I do not know if they get a reprimand or the desk sergeant just says hey dude take it easy some idiots are calling in again to complain.It is probally the second one.
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if the desk sergeant was doing anything to stop it the cops would not do it agian.

Since they keep breaking the law you can tell the sergeant didnt stop it.
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Nov 21, 2009
 
Shocking!
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After they realized I was just being sarcastic they laughed about it,, I mean he laughed about it. It was just a 8x11 sheet of paper It wasnt really blocking my rear view.
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I don't care what the supreme court said Road blocks are unconstitutional. Before Reagans supreme court the one before him said.it was unconstitutional. The constitution doesn't mean chit if the govt wants to hose you. This is a fact of living in America. And this is coming from the mouth of a Extreme Right Wing Nut, me.

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