Jenks, Bixby, Glenpool Police Table Proposed Consolidation

Battling budget problems, Jenks, Bixby and Glenpool in March proposed contracting police services to the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office. Full Story
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Herbert Rogers

Bixby, OK

#1 Apr 5, 2010
Dear Mrs. Arnold: In the last Jenks BondVote...did you see where the Police Dept. Request for infrastructure-money was turned down?
That hurt! And you wonder why (this) was "even brought-up.." ?
This town has a lotttt'omoney...but we're following City of Tulsa's Lead
and if (we're) not careful...their gangs will smell-the coffee!
Herbert Rogers

Bixby, OK

#2 Apr 5, 2010
p.s. the gangs are coming, anyway, and neither you nor I have enough ammo!
beezlbub

Cleveland, OK

#3 Apr 5, 2010
Herbert Rogers wrote:
p.s. the gangs are coming, anyway, and neither you nor I have enough ammo!
They are already here. When the Katrina's showed up they brought their waste of a way of life with them.
You Know Me

Tulsa, OK

#4 Apr 5, 2010
It is time to get rid of the council members and mayor in Jenks, THEY ARE ALL A BIG JOKE!
Pickles

New Orleans, LA

#5 Apr 6, 2010
The reason the bond issues didn't pass is because the citizens of Jenks were not aware that there was a vote. City administrators did this on purpose, because had the people that voted them into office been properly made aware that there were bond issues to vote on, they would have turned out and the bond issues would have passed.

As for the city council meeting last night - efforts by citizen to speak were literally shut down by the "honorable" mayor and told that it was too late, that the meeting was over, because there was a basketball game on that was, apparently, more important, and they mayor leaned away from his microphone and asked for a very quick vote to adjourn... which they all did.

The agenda that was in place wasn't followed and city administrators did not allow for new business and simply didn't want their citizens to speak. It's too bad that the channel 6 news crew left before this all happened, because as long as they were filming, the city council and mayor were as on their best behavior.

It's time for the citizens of Jenks to speak out and force city adminisrators to do the jobs that they were voted in to do. They are clearly not serving the needs of the people - and not allowing their voting public to speak out is, at best, shady, sneaky, dishonorable, and disrespectful.

And... where was Mr. Randy Ewing that started this whole mess? Since he is the one that was instrumental in the discussions with the sheriff, why wasnt he there? Interesting.

Step out Jenks and Speak - contact your city leaders and voice your opinions and dissatisfaction. Personally, I am disappointed and disgusted by their behavior and think that they need to be voted out, just as soon as possible.

How much confidence do you have in your city leadership now?
beezlbub

Tulsa, OK

#6 Apr 6, 2010
Pickles wrote:
The reason the bond issues didn't pass is because the citizens of Jenks were not aware that there was a vote. City administrators did this on purpose, because had the people that voted them into office been properly made aware that there were bond issues to vote on, they would have turned out and the bond issues would have passed.
As for the city council meeting last night - efforts by citizen to speak were literally shut down by the "honorable" mayor and told that it was too late, that the meeting was over, because there was a basketball game on that was, apparently, more important, and they mayor leaned away from his microphone and asked for a very quick vote to adjourn... which they all did.
The agenda that was in place wasn't followed and city administrators did not allow for new business and simply didn't want their citizens to speak. It's too bad that the channel 6 news crew left before this all happened, because as long as they were filming, the city council and mayor were as on their best behavior.
It's time for the citizens of Jenks to speak out and force city adminisrators to do the jobs that they were voted in to do. They are clearly not serving the needs of the people - and not allowing their voting public to speak out is, at best, shady, sneaky, dishonorable, and disrespectful.
And... where was Mr. Randy Ewing that started this whole mess? Since he is the one that was instrumental in the discussions with the sheriff, why wasnt he there? Interesting.
Step out Jenks and Speak - contact your city leaders and voice your opinions and dissatisfaction. Personally, I am disappointed and disgusted by their behavior and think that they need to be voted out, just as soon as possible.
How much confidence do you have in your city leadership now?
thought you were talking about a Glenpool meeting...sounds the same

“Philippians 4:13”

Since: Mar 10

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#7 Apr 6, 2010
Pickles wrote:
The agenda that was in place wasn't followed and city administrators did not allow for new business and simply didn't want their citizens to speak. It's too bad that the channel 6 news crew left before this all happened, because as long as they were filming, the city council and mayor were as on their best behavior.
This has been going on in the Tulsa city council meetings all year. If something was done that was not popular, the councelors took the subject off the agenda so that citizens could not talk about it. Then they would smirk at you.
fxstsb

Tulsa, OK

#8 Apr 6, 2010
Lived in Tulsa County 57 years ... 5 years Liberty Mounds, 3 years Bixby, 7 years Glenpool, 8 years Jenks and 37 within the City of Tulsa ...

The fastest responce time when 911 was dialed came when I lived in Liberty Mounds and by TCSO ... abandoned dogs were dragging down livestock ...

Each community has it's little head's of state group that controls just about everything ... it's Oklahoma and Oklahoma politics as usual ...

The same I'm better than you that exists in the burb communities that lives on at the high school althelitic level exists at all levels ... no way this will ever work ...

unless ... school redistricting takes place and there is only one school district in Tulsa county ...

my 2-cents
Herbert Rogers

Bixby, OK

#9 Apr 6, 2010
Jis' guud ol' boys...that's all.
Bixby PD Sucks

Pryor, OK

#10 Apr 6, 2010
The city government in Bixby surely has room for improvement also. The small town, good ole boy system was outgrown years ago and now is an obstacle that needs to be done away with. The Chief of Police needs to be fired and the entire police department needs to be dismantled and rebuilt. Most of the officers (not all) are adversarial and sitting on hair trigger just waiting for someone to either verbally attack or worse (remember Fluffy the dog the was killed by Bixby P.D.). They forget that being a police officer is about being a publice servant not a bootjack nazi looking for a reason. This philosophy has no place in a civilized society. If you do not believe it just drive down south Memorial and see how many cars are pulled over at one time. I have seen as many as three or four at one time within a span of less than a half mile. I wish Tulsa County Sheriff's Department would take them over.
what the

Tulsa, OK

#11 Apr 6, 2010
Be thankful that Bixby PD has time to write tickets and generate money for the city. Have you seen how many Tulsans are on here griping that they never see TPD out writing tickets. You know every time a Police Officer pulls someone over, they are checking people out and keeping you safe! I live in Broken Arrow where BAPD are like ants...they're everywhere! I am an upstanding citizen, not doing anything wrong, and am thankful I can't drive one mile without seeing one of them! Be thankful that they have the time to write tickets, and aren't preoccupied with rapists, drug dealers, prostitutes, murderers! About a year ago I was driving my kids home from an athletic event, driving a nice SUV, and had a headlight out that I didn't know about. A BAPD Officer made a u-turn and came up behind me with his lights on ready for business like he was about to bust a van full of gangsters...it was kind of funny actually! Yes, I got a $167.00 ticket for a burned out headlight, which was totally ridiculous I thought, but still am thankful that their presence is overwhelming and they're paid enough to have the drive to do their jobs! Nothing at all against the TCSO, but when a city starts paying in the $20,000s for public safety, then it's going to get $20,000 service. Actually, I think THAT would be what brings out the bootjack Nazis wanting to just 'play with guns!' It will be a 'yeah, the pay is awful, but we get to go out and exert some authority' mentality.
Anywho

Tulsa, OK

#12 Apr 6, 2010
This should be a non-issue for Glenpool. Budget problems. Phooey. When Walmart moved in and the tax base soared, they city immediately hired 13 new people and over spent. Wasn't careful with the money. Now there are budget problems. Good leadership would have made sure this never happened.
Bixby PD Still Sucks

Pryor, OK

#13 Apr 6, 2010
"Be thankful that Bixby PD has time to write tickets and "generate money for the city"

Seriously, is that what the police are for, money generators for the city. You have a headlight out and recieve a $167.00 ticket. What purpose did that serve to better society.

I would rather have the police taking care of more pressing issues than a ticketing "upstanding citizens" for headlight violations. He did not serve his community well when he did this to you. His real job should have been to inform you it was out and maybe escort you to an autoparts store. No, they are more concerned with pulling people over who may be 2-3 mph over than with patrolling the neiborhood.

As long as you see the police as "money generators" instead of public servants you are doomed to be forever brainwashed just like the nazi's like it.
Pickles

United States

#14 Apr 6, 2010
Ultimately, this isn't about PD's writing tickets to generate revenue for their various cities. I'm sure that Glenpool and Jenks officers also write tickets that make people unhappy - and you know what? Many officers write tickets and/or warnings not to cost people money, but to change their behavior. If you live in a residential neighborhood and have kids, do you want people driving 50 miles an hour up and down your street? Something tells me that you wouldn't, nor would I and nor would the officers - because in the end, they are the FIRST people that you call when you have an emergency, right?

Not everyone has a positive interaction with a police officer, but they are people with families, house payments, bills - just like the rest of us and in the end, they do a job that not a lot of people would WANT to do - they don't deserve the bad reputation that they get. They aren't "nazi's" or part of a "lynch mob" as I have read on a different site - they ask to be treated fairly and equally compensated for the job that they put their lives on the line to do. I wish more people would step away from their armchairs and stop trying to quarterback something that they, clearly, know nothing about - and put yourselves in their shoes.

If you were working for a large corporation, such as a car company, and in a union would you expect to be treated the way these officers (and citizens) have been treated by Jenks city leaders? I doubt it. These officers were blind-sided very casually, by city leaders (Ewing, Tinker, Vreeland and Selle), as well as county leaders (Glanz, Edwards, Bartlett...) with communications that could very possibly be violations of labor laws.

Are they forgetting what they are telling people, lying, lying and more lying and forgetting what they are telling each other and the people that put them into office? I'd have to say yes - and what's bad is that I don't think that they know the truth any more, or what they have told one person to the next and now how CAN we believe them?

Ask the next Jenks, Bixby or Glenpool cop you see...(off duty would be better) and I think you may get more than an earful.

Citizens in Jenks... take a look at the latest information in the Jenks Journal about what city leaders did to other citizens at the city council meeting - being told that there "are seats uo front" when one citizen said she couldn't hear, then literally saying that a basketball game was more important than going through the city manager's report, and saying that "it's over" and "you missed it" to other citizens who requested to speak.

www.jenksjournal.com

Too bad Channel 6 left before all of this happened.
Bixby PD still Sucks

Jenks, OK

#15 Apr 7, 2010
Pickles, I interact with them professionally on a daily basis, know several personally. They still have a problem that starts with the chief and works its way down. I have no problem with them doing their job, it how they do it and it sucks.
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Jenks, OK

#16 Apr 9, 2010
Bixby PD Sucks wrote:
The city government in Bixby surely has room for improvement also. The small town, good ole boy system was outgrown years ago and now is an obstacle that needs to be done away with. The Chief of Police needs to be fired and the entire police department needs to be dismantled and rebuilt. Most of the officers (not all) are adversarial and sitting on hair trigger just waiting for someone to either verbally attack or worse (remember Fluffy the dog the was killed by Bixby P.D.). They forget that being a police officer is about being a publice servant not a bootjack nazi looking for a reason. This philosophy has no place in a civilized society. If you do not believe it just drive down south Memorial and see how many cars are pulled over at one time. I have seen as many as three or four at one time within a span of less than a half mile. I wish Tulsa County Sheriff's Department would take them over.
Were the cars speeding? You are mad because your cops are doing there jobs.
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Jenks, OK

#17 Apr 9, 2010
Bixby PD Still Sucks wrote:
"Be thankful that Bixby PD has time to write tickets and "generate money for the city"
Seriously, is that what the police are for, money generators for the city. You have a headlight out and recieve a $167.00 ticket. What purpose did that serve to better society.
I would rather have the police taking care of more pressing issues than a ticketing "upstanding citizens" for headlight violations. He did not serve his community well when he did this to you. His real job should have been to inform you it was out and maybe escort you to an autoparts store. No, they are more concerned with pulling people over who may be 2-3 mph over than with patrolling the neiborhood.
As long as you see the police as "money generators" instead of public servants you are doomed to be forever brainwashed just like the nazi's like it.
Timothy McViegh, Ted Bundy as well as numerous other offenders were all brought in on traffic stops. If it weren't for the ticket then most people would not be compelled to fix their equiptment and follow most of the other laws.$167 is steep for a headlight but the cop doesn't set that fine. He just has to use the tools that he has to enforce the law. If you don't like call your council member. That is what they are there for.
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Jenks, OK

#18 Apr 9, 2010
Bixby PD still Sucks wrote:
Pickles, I interact with them professionally on a daily basis, know several personally. They still have a problem that starts with the chief and works its way down. I have no problem with them doing their job, it how they do it and it sucks.
Do they know how much trash that you talk about them?
They still suck

Pryor, OK

#19 Apr 9, 2010
As far as I know no Timothy Mcveigh's or Ted Bundy's have been found in Bixby. Again, it doesn't matter if they were speeding, had a headlight out, etc. They should treat the citizens that pay them with respect. Do the job, but do it with repsect to the very people that pay you. Eveyone is innocent until proven guilty and should be treated accordingly. Just because you have a headlamp out doesn't make you a serial killer and you shouldn't be treated as though you are or verbally assaulted for it. It is a problem that comes from the top down. Remember Fluffy?
Pickles

Lumberton, TX

#20 Apr 10, 2010
The issue(s) here aren't who was found on what traffic stop(s)- every day cops arrest bad guys from traffic stops, including warrants, drugs, DUI's, driving under suspension and other things. Regardless of whether you had a headlight out or were speeding or ran a stop sign or didn't have insurance in your car - these are violations of State Law in addition to most city ordinances and in some occasions, officers are compelled by the State to arrest you or issue a citation. Other times, it's officer discretion on whether to issue you that $167 ticket for a headlight being out.

And let me ask you this, do you treat everyone on your job with dignity and respect? How's your attitude when an officer approaches your car? Are you automatically defensive? Do YOU treat the officer with respect? Or, are you hateful, disrespectful, cuss or swear to or at the officer? Do you realize that this is the NORM in our society? Would you treat your parents, children, grandparents or friends with the same nastiness that you treat the officer? I seriously doubt it. If your mother was sitting in the seat next to you - seriously, would you call the officer names or speed away angrily after getting a citation (maybe causing yourself to get another ticket?)? These are things that the officers deal with on a daily basis.

How about the officer that responds to a crash that you have been in... do you realize how many things that officer has to deal with - traffic, other vehicles, people with injuries, fire and EMSA crews, friends and family members that show up, more traffic, more friends and family that show up... and then to top it off, at least an hour or more of paperwork, depending on how many cars were in the crash. Does it make sense to get out of your car and wander around the road, yell at the people that were in the other car, wander some more around the road, after the officer has asked you not to for your own safety, use your cell phone to excess while ignoring the officer, yell at your kids/husband/friend, etc.... these are things that all take the officer's time to deal with, when they could be getting you on your way. At this point, how much of the officer's time have YOU wasted?

Speed limits, no left turn signs, stop signs and traffic lights are not suggestions - they are put up for a reason, mostly for the safety of citizens - but yet, every day, people violate the safety of fellow citizens by not following simple traffic laws. Don't blame the officer because YOUR headlight was out or because you were speeding or ran the stop sign - that's your responsibility. Just like it's your responsibility to follow traffic laws - because they aren't suggestions.

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