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Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

There are 52021 comments on the CBS2 story from Nov 30, 2010, titled Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions. In it, CBS2 reports that:

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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Since: Jan 10

Mason City, IL

#34459 Jul 6, 2012
Legalize gay marriage, this IS supposed to be a free country. How is it free if people can't marry who they love? If you don't like gay marriage, then don't get married to the same sex. Simple enough!
All that said I am a straight mother of 3 and I believe in God.
Dick Face Durbin

Romeoville, IL

#34463 Jul 6, 2012
How utterly creepy is this whole gay thing. Think about it man on man women on women just sends a chill up my spine.
GOPvsUSA

Romeoville, IL

#34464 Jul 6, 2012
You may have some credibility if you could learn to construct a sentence.
Saiperus wrote:
Legalize gay marriage, this IS supposed to be a free country. How is it free if people can't marry who they love? If you don't like gay marriage, then don't get married to the same sex. Simple enough!
All that said I am a straight mother of 3 and I believe in God.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#34465 Jul 7, 2012
Saiperus wrote:
Legalize gay marriage, this IS supposed to be a free country. How is it free if people can't marry who they love? If you don't like gay marriage, then don't get married to the same sex. Simple enough!
All that said I am a straight mother of 3 and I believe in God.
Marriage defines a distinct relationship.

You described marriage in your identity;

In every culture, in all of human history, marriage has been the union of diverse genders who bear the fruit of humanity.

It is the design of evolution and God.

Redundant genders united are sterile. They may be gay unions, but they are not marriage.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#34466 Jul 7, 2012
nfgc wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you! So is it that they want their union to be called a marriage? If you called it what it is, a Civil Union, would it be a problem then?
What is your definition of unhealthy? I am confused on it causing a dead end. If the entire population were same sex relationships then ok I can see that being a possibility, however, this would never be the case. If anything we have too many people in the world as it is. I can't comment on the religious factor because that's determined on a personal belief and fortunately in AMerica we have separation of church and state. But to say that we would violate historic practice is false. If you research a time in history concerning the Romans you may be shocked to learn a few things.
Do you feel that a parentless child will be better off than one who has a loving parent to raise them? Or that a child raised by an adopted parent is worse off than one that has their natural parent?
Thanks for the discussion!
This list fails to provide any scientifically justifiable excuse or legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment under the law as required by the constitution. It is based on prejudice alone.

It also ignores that ability for procreation has never been a requirement to get a marriage license.

And while gay people will never be the majority, even if everyone turned gay tomorrow, people would still have children. Gay people can and do reproduce, using all of the same wide variety of methods available to straight couples who need assistance. The turkey baster method is the most popular method of assisted reproduction at home, and requires no medical assistance. Some couples choose to use biological material from one partner combined with the biological material from a relative of the other partner, so that the child is related to both partners. Some women choose to use the fertilized egg from one, implanted in the other so that one parent is the biological mother while the other parent is the birth mother.

For many couples, being biologically related is not important, and they simply adopt.

Adopted children can do just as well and are often treated better than biological children.

30 years of research shows children of gay couples can do just as well as those from straight couples, and the determining factor is the relationship between the parents and child, not the gender of the parents.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#34467 Jul 7, 2012
"Same sex marrriage in early Christian
Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual.

Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

Such same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded.

Same-sex unions in pre-modern Europe list in great detail some same gender ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical documents. One Greek 13th century rite, "Order for Solemn Same-Sex Union", invoked St. Serge and St. Bacchus, and called on God to "vouchsafe unto these, Thy servants [N and N], the grace to love one another and to abide without hate and not be the cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God, and all Thy saints". The ceremony concludes: "And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded".

Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic "Office of the Same Sex Union", uniting two men or two women, had the couple lay their right hands on the Gospel while having a crucifix placed in their left hands. After kissing the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist, would give them both communion.

Records of Christian same sex unions have been discovered in such diverse archives as those in the Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, in Istanbul and in the Sinai, covering a thousand-years from the 8th to the 18th century.

The Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes such ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).

While homosexuality was technically illegal from late Roman times, homophobic writings didn’t appear in Western Europe until the late 14th century. Even then, church-consecrated same sex unions continued to take place.

At St. John Lateran in Rome (traditionally the Pope's parish church) in 1578, as many as thirteen same-gender couples were joined during a high Mass and with the cooperation of the Vatican clergy, "taking communion together, using the same nuptial Scripture, after which they slept and ate together" according to a contemporary report. Another woman to woman union is recorded in Dalmatia in the 18th century."

http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files...

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#34470 Jul 7, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
This list fails to provide any scientifically justifiable excuse or legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment under the law as required by the constitution. It is based on prejudice alone.
It also ignores that ability for procreation has never been a requirement to get a marriage license.
And while gay people will never be the majority, even if everyone turned gay tomorrow, people would still have children. Gay people can and do reproduce, using all of the same wide variety of methods available to straight couples who need assistance. The turkey baster method is the most popular method of assisted reproduction at home, and requires no medical assistance. Some couples choose to use biological material from one partner combined with the biological material from a relative of the other partner, so that the child is related to both partners. Some women choose to use the fertilized egg from one, implanted in the other so that one parent is the biological mother while the other parent is the birth mother.
For many couples, being biologically related is not important, and they simply adopt.
Adopted children can do just as well and are often treated better than biological children.
30 years of research shows children of gay couples can do just as well as those from straight couples, and the determining factor is the relationship between the parents and child, not the gender of the parents.
Pure gay twirl. Dripping with deceit. Diabolical distortion.

Again I ask why that is necessary for a just cause.

Please specify a single point on the "If You" list that is not simple fact.

Marriage has historically been the identity of a unique and foundational relationship in society. The law recognizes and supports that in numerous ways. Gays have every opportunity to pursue appropriate rights on their own merits without imposing a imposter relationship on marriage.

Who said procreation is a 'requirement' of marriage? It is simply a fact of marriage, a consequence of marriage and even a cause of marriage.

The only comparison gays have with a natural family is when nature has gone awry. Survival of the fittest in evolution has determined that a biological father and mother are the best. Humans have formalized and supported that dictate with marriage.

Your assertions about studies about gay families has been debunked for numerous reasons. You know that.

http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authored_new...

"Oxford, June 10, 2012 - Despite considerable research showing that children of same-sex parents fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents, two papers - a review of existing studies and a new study - published today in Elsevier’s Social Science Research, find insufficient data to draw any definitive conclusions.
The review by Dr. Loren Marks from Louisiana State University finds that much of the science that forms the basis for the highly regarded External link 2005 official brief on same-sex parenting by the American Psychological Association (APA) does not stand up to scrutiny. The new study by University of Texas sociologist and professor Mark Regnerus, provides compelling new evidence that numerous differences in social and emotional well-being do exist between young adults raised by women who have had a lesbian relationship and those who have grown up in a nuclear family."

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#34471 Jul 7, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"Same sex marrriage in early Christian
Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual.
Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).
These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.
Such same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded.
Same-sex unions in pre-modern Europe list in great detail some same gender ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical documents. One Greek 13th century rite, "Order for Solemn Same-Sex Union", invoked St. Serge and St. Bacchus, and called on God to "vouchsafe unto these, Thy servants [N and N], the grace to love one another and to abide without hate and not be the cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God, and all Thy saints". The ceremony concludes: "And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded".
Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic "Office of the Same Sex Union", uniting two men or two women, had the couple lay their right hands on the Gospel while having a crucifix placed in their left hands. After kissing the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist, would give them both communion.
Records of Christian same sex unions have been discovered in such diverse archives as those in the Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, in Istanbul and in the Sinai, covering a thousand-years from the 8th to the 18th century.
The Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes such ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).
While homosexuality was technically illegal from late Roman times, homophobic writings didn’t appear in Western Europe until the late 14th century. Even then, church-consecrated same sex unions continued to take place.
At St. John Lateran in Rome (traditionally the Pope's parish church) in 1578, as many as thirteen same-gender couples were joined during a high Mass and with the cooperation of the Vatican clergy, "taking communion together, using the same nuptial Scripture, after which they slept and ate together" according to a contemporary report. Another woman to woman union is recorded in Dalmatia in the 18th century."
http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files...
Boswell's assertions have long been debunked BY BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE.

Each point you make can easily be researched on the internet and debunked. For instance, the 13th century rite you list;

Gay Roman soldiers Sergius and Bacchus:

http://www.ucc.ie/milmart/sergorig.html

http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9411/articl...

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/bosrev-sha...

Overview;

http://www.catholicvoteaction.org/americanpap...
Concerned

United States

#34472 Jul 7, 2012
Hell they allow a child molester run free in Jersey county for 30 years why not support the other laws

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#34474 Jul 7, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
........
Marriage has historically been the identity of a unique and foundational relationship in society. The law recognizes and supports that in numerous ways. Gays have every opportunity to pursue appropriate rights on their own merits without imposing a imposter relationship on marriage.
.........
Why in the world would you believe that a gay person's marriage is an "impostor relationship"? The only way that would be true is if the gay person married someone who is straight, forming a loveless marriage of convenience.

What is missing, in your opinion? And, since you are not gay yourself, and have never lived in the homes of gay married couples to obtain first hand information, how would you prove your hypothesis?

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#34475 Jul 7, 2012
Concerned wrote:
Hell they allow a child molester run free in Jersey county for 30 years why not support the other laws
Are you REALLY trying to equate marriage with child molestation?

How is that logical?
Concerned

United States

#34476 Jul 7, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you REALLY trying to equate marriage with child molestation?
How is that logical?
I'm just saying if they allow child molesting why not gay marriages. Gay marriages is no where near child molesting. why are they dicking with gay marriages there are more important things going on to spend are tax dollar on such as jersey county Illinois let this man walk free

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#34477 Jul 7, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
........
Marriage has historically been the identity of a unique and foundational relationship in society. The law recognizes and supports that in numerous ways. Gays have every opportunity to pursue appropriate rights on their own merits without imposing a imposter relationship on marriage.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Why in the world would you believe that a gay person's marriage is an "impostor relationship"? The only way that would be true is if the gay person married someone who is straight, forming a loveless marriage of convenience.
What is missing, in your opinion? And, since you are not gay yourself, and have never lived in the homes of gay married couples to obtain first hand information, how would you prove your hypothesis?
The only way that would be true? Really. There are countless ways to have imposter relationships.

There have been historic cases (Spain) where SS couples pretended to be diverse couples to get married. That was deemed a 'imposter relationship' legally.

Marriage has always been the evolutionary reunion of male/female into the original genderless life form that is the only place human fruit originates.

Gay unions can do neither except by one partner pretending to be the opposite gender (dike or effeminate), and taking advantage of a broken heterosexual relationship's child. Hence, a 'imposter relationship'.

Not complicated at all, is it?

PS (I am a genetic chimera, a hermaphrodite lesbian trapped in a straight man's body).

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#34478 Jul 7, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you REALLY trying to equate marriage with child molestation?
How is that logical?
The post is equating GAY 'marriage' with pedophilia.

Both involve politically correct denial about gays at the expense of children and society.
Lulu

United States

#34480 Jul 7, 2012
Hoof hearted?

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#34482 Jul 8, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The post is equating GAY 'marriage' with pedophilia.
Both involve politically correct denial about gays at the expense of children and society.
No, Dear, they don't.

Gay folks marrying and forming families is not similar to raping children. That you think it might be says quite a bit about your sanity.

And you have yet to explain how marriage and family life harms society. Care to give it a try? We can stick with just a few topics if you like.

How do laws banning same sex marriage help gay kids to make healthy choices in life?

How does having forcibly unmarried parents help all of those kids of gay parents you worry about?

How does having fewer stable relationships improve society as a whole?

How does denial of marriage provide support and security for the elderly?

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#34483 Jul 8, 2012
come on wrote:
<quoted text>
You are soo right the gays will say and do anything to try to prove they are right. What about Man Boy Love Assio; MBLA
Can you provide statistics as to the percentage of gay people in this country who are members?

Then, can you provide statistics on the percentage of underage pregnancies caused by adult straight males?

And then, come back and try to make logical points.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#34484 Jul 8, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The post is equating GAY 'marriage' with pedophilia.
Both involve politically correct denial about gays at the expense of children and society.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Dear, they don't.
Gay folks marrying and forming families is not similar to raping children. That you think it might be says quite a bit about your sanity.
And you have yet to explain how marriage and family life harms society. Care to give it a try? We can stick with just a few topics if you like.
How do laws banning same sex marriage help gay kids to make healthy choices in life?
How does having forcibly unmarried parents help all of those kids of gay parents you worry about?
How does having fewer stable relationships improve society as a whole?
How does denial of marriage provide support and security for the elderly?
Gay twirl with a whine...

The fact that you want to dumb down the discussion like you dumb down the definition of marriage to impose an imposter relationship simply shows consistent attempted deception and distortion.

The denial involved in calling gay unions 'marriage' and not calling homosexual pedophiles homosexual is at the expense of children in particular and society in general. This is not rocket science Quest...

Before you even come to the prediction of harm (which you have and will deny), you have to confirm that gay unions are identical to marriage. You haven't.

If you want to keep the topics short, start there.
unreal

Bridgman, MI

#34485 Jul 8, 2012
KiMare wrote:
The denial involved in not calling homosexual pedophiles homosexual is at the expense of children in particular and society in general. This is not rocket science Quest...
Wow. This is the same as equating all pedophiles who rape the opposite sex with all heterosexuals in general. How short sighted can one be?

No "gay twirl here" lol. Just an opinion from a non breeding monogamous heterosexual.

And yes, we do exist. It's quite common amoung college educated affluent people of my age. I have nothing against procreation, it's not just not the reason I got married. Crazy huh? I love my wife, so I married her for that reason alone.

Did your brain just explode because of the overload of logical arguments you just absorbed?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#34486 Jul 8, 2012
KiMare wrote:
The denial involved in not calling homosexual pedophiles homosexual is at the expense of children in particular and society in general. This is not rocket science Quest...
unreal wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. This is the same as equating all pedophiles who rape the opposite sex with all heterosexuals in general. How short sighted can one be?
No "gay twirl here" lol. Just an opinion from a non breeding monogamous heterosexual.
And yes, we do exist. It's quite common amoung college educated affluent people of my age. I have nothing against procreation, it's not just not the reason I got married. Crazy huh? I love my wife, so I married her for that reason alone.
Did your brain just explode because of the overload of logical arguments you just absorbed?
You might re-read my post. I equated no such thing. I did say that denying such a thing as homo or hetero pedophiles has left children vulnerable.

As to marriage, it is a evolutionary relationship that the highest evolved species (humans) have formalized, ESPECIALLY because of the overwhelming propensity and purpose to produce children.

To try to equate and define redundant genders who are completely incapable of mutual procreation is incredibly idiotic out of the gate.

Think about it, you bit gay twirl hook, line and sinker without thinking.

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