Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Liam R wrote:
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Well, just sock it to me!
O.K. Here goes...

What do you think of this? AND have you ever heard this before?

Someone called into C-Span with a theory that said (PARAPHRASE) ethnic/religious groups that have been profoundly damaged or humiliated by another group suffer a “Form of PTSD called…???.”(she gave a name, which I don’t remember)

....But it’s a syndrome that lasts for generations. This would include groups like Native Americans (genocide) Jews (genocide) Armenians (genocide) African Americans (slavery)...Irish (whatever the Brits did).... anyway, you get the idea.

The suffering and pain inflicted on these groups lasts for generations and so far there has been no recognition of this kind of disorder and it should be addressed.

An example she gave was GW Bush’s use of the word “crusade” after the 9/11 attack. The Christian Science Monitor said…
“ Bush's reference to a "crusade" against terrorism, which passed almost unnoticed by Americans, rang alarm bells in Europe. It raised fears that the terrorist attacks could spark a 'clash of civilizations' between Christians and Muslims, sowing fresh winds of hatred and mistrust.
His use of the word "crusade," said Soheib Bensheikh, Grand Mufti of the mosque in Marseille, France, "was most unfortunate", "It recalled the barbarous and unjust military operations against the Muslim world," by Christian knights, who launched repeated attempts to capture Jerusalem over the course of several hundred years…..

...And so it goes on and on...the damaged groups, just like PTSD victims, relive past hurts that, and can live on through generations....

I just saw in the paper the grandson of a Concentration Camp victim had his grandmother's number tattooed on his own arm...

Your thoughts please...
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jacques renault wrote:
Or French. You already lost in the French Supreme Court.
Really? You got a link to that? You wouldn't be making up LIES would you?
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by the way, it's "cite"
not "site"
You are correct. I was hoping nobody noticed.
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Liam R wrote:
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Well, just sock it to me!
And if you can stand anymore...

This PTSD may also be said of the Southern Confederacy, as much of the war was fought on their ground, so they suffered not only loss of life, but the trauma of having enemy soldiers on their territory and its lasting effects.

The Confederate flag, which for Northerners belongs in museums and/or on personal property think to fly it on public lands is treasonous, because of what it represents. It's especially repulsive to African Americans, as you probably know...

Anyway, is the question....Should the damaged groups be the sole “deciders”/aribiters as to what kind of “band aids” need be applied to help “scab up” wounds that may never heal?

Is the answer is “no” because they can’t, in all probability, find solutions that will not “hurt” another (enemy) culture, creating yet another “PTSD” group?

Is this a valid "diagnosis" of what's wrong with us?
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Gay Sex is Against the Constitution, Says Judge Scalia
http://politix.topix.com/item/2383-gay-sex-is...
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Frisbee wrote:
<quoted text>Really? You got a link to that? You wouldn't be making up LIES would you?
http://www.courdecassation.fr/jurisprudence_p...

and i quote:
"Selon la loi française, le mariage est l’union d’un homme et d’une femme."

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

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Yep. Marriage is a right. Why do you claim it's not?
Marriage is a "right" with restrictions. I know you have trouble with reading comprehension.

BTW, Justice Scalia would not agree with you, and his opinion actually matters while yours does not.

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Frisbee gave you a whipping.
Well, based on the whippings you receive daily, I guess you would be the expert.

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Yeah, "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man,". Basic civil rights are a subset of rights. So, marriage is a right.
You claim it's not.
Why do you always stop there, why do refuse to include the rest of the statement?

Fundamental to our very EXISTENCE and SURVIVAL!!

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<quoted text>I can read just fine. I'm worried about you though. The case YOU sited is the one that proves you wrong. How is it that escapes you?
<quoted text>Yeah, and they say the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you claim. Have you been drinking?
<quoted text>Exactly which part did I miscomprehend? The part where you said marriage isn't a right, or the part where the United States Supreme Court says it is?
Any Milk Runs lately? I've got one next week.
Yawn.. Reading comprehension- try it.
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Anonymous wrote:
Gay Sex is Against the Constitution, Says Judge Scalia
http://politix.topix.com/item/2383-gay-sex-is...
what a quote factory that Justice Antonin is!
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THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
Seems someone forgot to tell the government:
http://www.nomblog.com/28085/
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Marriage is a "right" with restrictions. I know you have trouble with reading comprehension.
I have no trouble whatsoever, and your condescension on such easily verifiable fact is making you look foolish. You didn't say it was a "right with restrictions", you said it was NOT a Right:
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There is no RIGHT to marriage..
Now, are you going to be man enough to admit you were wrong, or are you going to persist in backpedaling and pretending that your statement was misconstrued?
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Yawn.. Reading comprehension- try it.
Right back atya, sport.

Nothing to say about the Milk Run or the cut? Every AK pilot knows what I'm talking about. Why is it you don't seem to?
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BTW, Justice Scalia would not agree with you, and his opinion actually matters while yours does not.
Actually his opinion doesn't matter, as it was decided in 1967.
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Anonymous wrote:
Gay Sex is Against the Constitution, Says Judge Scalia
http://politix.topix.com/item/2383-gay-sex-is...
In the first place what does sodomy have to do with the topic of this thread? Secondly the Supreme court already struck down ALL sodomy laws making them ALL null and void in 1973! Thirdly if sodomy was still against the law there would be a hell of a lot of US heteros in jail because approximately 34% of US partake in anal sex with our girlfriends and or wives! But once again,what does that have to do with the topic of Marriage equality in the state of California? Care to try again? LOL

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<quoted text>Seems someone forgot to tell the government:
http://www.nomblog.com/28085/
<quoted text>I have no trouble whatsoever, and your condescension on such easily verifiable fact is making you look foolish. You didn't say it was a "right with restrictions", you said it was NOT a Right:
<quoted text>Now, are you going to be man enough to admit you were wrong, or are you going to persist in backpedaling and pretending that your statement was misconstrued?
<quoted text>Right back atya, sport.
Nothing to say about the Milk Run or the cut? Every AK pilot knows what I'm talking about. Why is it you don't seem to?
<quoted text>Actually his opinion doesn't matter, as it was decided in 1967.
There is no right to marriage in the Constitution, it simply isn't there- feel free to prove me wrong by citing the Article and Section of the Constitution which addresses marriage.

Now, as I tried to explain to you, the SCOTUS has fabricated this right to marriage, but they have done so with caveats, I listed them for you. But like I said, you have a reading comprehension problem.
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http://www.nomblog.com/28085/
a politician promised something?

not my concern

The French Supreme Court has ruled

you should have seen how the French analogs of the two Roses cried
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careful, Winston, we've got a bucking Tranny
how are things in Up Black Eddy? LMAO
I dunno, but it must be bettet than where ever you are.
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There is no right to marriage in the Constitution, it simply isn't there- feel free to prove me wrong by citing the Article and Section of the Constitution which addresses marriage.
Now, as I tried to explain to you, the SCOTUS has fabricated this right to marriage, but they have done so with caveats, I listed them for you. But like I said, you have a reading comprehension problem.
So you're not going to man enough to simply admit that you were wrong. So be it. You've already conceded the point during your backpedal

You continue to throw out qualifiers, caveats, and disclaimers to distance yourself from your original, incorrect statement. It's not working.
Now you are going to demonstrate ignorance of Jr. High Civics and pretend that the role of the Supreme Court is not to interpret the Constitution and that they "fabricated" the right to marriage. There is nothing in the Constitution that explicitly says you have the right to have children, so that must not exist, eh? Doesn't mention anything about the right to travel, either. Innocent until proven guilty? Not there. Wow, that Constitution sure left out a lot of stuff. If only there were a means to interpret it and deal with such matters.....Oh wait, there is.

All of these gymnastics to defend keeping your fellow Americans as Second Class Citizens. Proud of yourself?

It is also particularly interesting that you have NOTHING to say about the Milk Run or the Cut. It is simply not possible that an AK Pilot would not know what I'm talking about. What gives? You aren't misrepresenting yourself, are you?
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The French Supreme Court has ruled
Not my concern. I care not one whit about French law. Obviously if France were so great, you'd be there, wouldn't you?

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<quoted text>Weird, right? He's even siting the case that proves him wrong. It's just baffling.
Makes you wonder...
And he's so nit-picky about some things.

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So you're not going to man enough to simply admit that you were wrong. So be it. You've already conceded the point during your backpedal
You continue to throw out qualifiers, caveats, and disclaimers to distance yourself from your original, incorrect statement. It's not working.
Now you are going to demonstrate ignorance of Jr. High Civics and pretend that the role of the Supreme Court is not to interpret the Constitution and that they "fabricated" the right to marriage. There is nothing in the Constitution that explicitly says you have the right to have children, so that must not exist, eh? Doesn't mention anything about the right to travel, either. Innocent until proven guilty? Not there. Wow, that Constitution sure left out a lot of stuff. If only there were a means to interpret it and deal with such matters.....Oh wait, there is.
All of these gymnastics to defend keeping your fellow Americans as Second Class Citizens. Proud of yourself?
It is also particularly interesting that you have NOTHING to say about the Milk Run or the Cut. It is simply not possible that an AK Pilot would not know what I'm talking about. What gives? You aren't misrepresenting yourself, are you?
I'm not wrong. That is why you have still been unable to provide the specific Article and Section of the Constitution which addresses the issue of marriage.

And I don't know what you are trying to prove with your "Milk Run" nonsense, everyone can use google. Not that I have anything to prove to you, my paycheck comes in with or without your approval.

Also if you had any intelligence at all, you would see that I am not located in Alaska anymore, nor have a been for quite a few years. So again, what are you trying to prove?

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jacques renault wrote:
wasn't Vaughn Walker the homosexual who got klonked on his head by a woman with a beehive his last day at work, started yelling at everyone to screw themselves, deployed the escape chute, and raced through the airport to be arrested in bed with another man?
Time to pass the bong...

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