Michael Jackson death anniversary: 11,000 roses sent to grave

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Fans from around the world sent a flood of flowers Monday to commemorate pop icon Michael Jackson on the third anniversary of his death. Read more

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

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#393 Jul 9, 2012
In And Of Itself wrote:
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So the "in and of itself, anybody can say anything about anybody it doesn't make it true" argument doesn't apply to these three?. What a surprise...NOT.
If you had actually bothered reading "Child Molesters: A Behavioral Analysis" you would know it's not uncommon for molestation victims to deny sexual abuse or to even defend their abuses. But considering that Michael Jackson was never once questioned in a court of law to exactly why he kept crawling into bed with these three boys, especially Brett Barnes who spent a massive 400+ nights in bed with, why would you in and of itself accept their word for it?.
You took the words out of my mouth. I was going to mention that to Persephone, just to watch the reaction.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#394 Jul 9, 2012
persephon wrote:
<quoted text> How many times will it be necessary to go over the indisputable fact that Judge Melville did not allow such material to be submitted?
Just because the prosecution requested to submit such material under the 'Prior Bad Acts' part of the trial does not mean that the judge has to allow it. Obviously since it was not allowed there was no reason for Mesereau to deal with the issue.
But there was a reason for Messreau to deal with it. He was being paid to keep his pedophile client out of prison. Stop spinning around. You're just making yourself dizzy.
persephone

Sunnyvale, CA

#395 Jul 10, 2012
Len is Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
But there was a reason for Messreau to deal with it. He was being paid to keep his pedophile client out of prison. Stop spinning around. You're just making yourself dizzy.
Why don't you stop obsessing and griping about a trial which was over and done with years ago?

If you can't understand just why Judge Melville refused to allow the irrelevant material to be presented in a court case which had nothing to do with the material, then perhaps you should contact Judge Melville himself and have him explain it all to you.
persephone

Sunnyvale, CA

#396 Jul 10, 2012
In And Of Itself wrote:
<quoted text>
Who said anything about the judge Mr. off topic. The fact is wackos team never disputed the accuracy of Jordan Chandler's description.
Since the photos/description were never admitted in court, the issue of their accuray or inaccuracy was never raised in court. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that the defense thought there was a match.

And since Jordan Chandler was the person who made that accusation and especially since he was no longer a child, I would have fully expected him to be in that courtroom answering questions if those photos had been presented.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#397 Jul 10, 2012
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Why don't you stop obsessing and griping about a trial which was over and done with years ago?
If you can't understand just why Judge Melville refused to allow the irrelevant material to be presented in a court case which had nothing to do with the material, then perhaps you should contact Judge Melville himself and have him explain it all to you.
Why can't you understand the legal documents reveal Michael was a pedophile? Oh, I almost forgot. Your view of pedophilia is in question.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

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#398 Jul 10, 2012
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Since the photos/description were never admitted in court, the issue of their accuray or inaccuracy was never raised in court. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that the defense thought there was a match.
And since Jordan Chandler was the person who made that accusation and especially since he was no longer a child, I would have fully expected him to be in that courtroom answering questions if those photos had been presented.
There you go, again. Spin, spin, spin!

If the description had not matched the photos, Messreau would have fought to bring them to court rather than keep them out. The legal document I read said the D.A. wanted to bring them to court because the drawing, description, and photos matched.

Since you're so obsessed with why Jordan did not testify in court, please explain why Michael did not testify in court. He was the defendent, after all. I should think he would have wanted to explain to the world how innocent it was to sleep with other people's children and pay money to their families, afterward.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#399 Jul 10, 2012
Len is Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go, again. Spin, spin, spin!
If the description had not matched the photos, Messreau would have fought to bring them to court rather than keep them out. The legal document I read said the D.A. wanted to bring them to court because the drawing, description, and photos matched.
Since you're so obsessed with why Jordan did not testify in court, please explain why Michael did not testify in court. He was the defendent, after all. I should think he would have wanted to explain to the world how innocent it was to sleep with other people's children and pay money to their families, afterward.
persephone is obviously an apologist for pedophiles.
She who knows

Sydney, Australia

#400 Jul 10, 2012
Hunja wrote:
<quoted text>
Woah you don't care about MJ who refused to be cross examined?That is a surprise!
Not only that, but Michael Jackson never cooperated with a police investigation or submitted to police questioning over allegations of child abuse made about him. MJ never, ever made himself accountable to law enforcement.

It begs the question: Why would MJ refuse to partake in an investigation to set the record straight about his so called innocent behaviour and thereby forestall any court actions? MJ could have reassured the police that his actions were totally honorable.
That he didn't screams guilty to any person who wants to scratch the surface of these child abuse allegations.

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#402 Jul 16, 2012
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Since the photos/description were never admitted in court, the issue of their accuray or inaccuracy was never raised in court. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that the defense thought there was a match.
And since Jordan Chandler was the person who made that accusation and especially since he was no longer a child, I would have fully expected him to be in that courtroom answering questions if those photos had been presented.
Yet the prosecution had absolute confidence in the photos and drawings. They were there for the whole courtroom to see. Jackson's biased defense team had the opportunity to pick holes in it, and cast doubt over the 93 case with or without Jordan's presence. But they didn't, and never once questioned the accuracy or hinted at any discrepancies in Jordan's description. Not ever. They didn't want anybody in that courtroom seeing the description and photos, that in and of itself speaks volumes.

Plus unethical Thomas Mesereau has done numerous television interviews after the trial and after Wacko's death, and not once has he ever questioned or hinted at any discrepancies in Jordan's description. I wonder why that is?. Even Dr. Arnold Klein had a laughable attempt. But unethical Mesereau, absolutely nothing.

To this date not a single person has ever questioned the accuracy or hinted at any discrepancies in Jordan Chandler's description of Michael Jackson's penis. That also includes the two grand juries that you claim saw the photos and drawings. That means Jordan Chandler's drawings did cooperated with the photos taken of Michael Jackson's penis. You can be sure of that.
persephone

Mountain View, CA

#403 Jul 16, 2012
In And Of Itself wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet the prosecution had absolute confidence in the photos and drawings. They were there for the whole courtroom to see. Jackson's biased defense team had the opportunity to pick holes in it, and cast doubt over the 93 case with or without Jordan's presence. But they didn't, and never once questioned the accuracy or hinted at any discrepancies in Jordan's description. Not ever. They didn't want anybody in that courtroom seeing the description and photos, that in and of itself speaks volumes.
Plus unethical Thomas Mesereau has done numerous television interviews after the trial and after Wacko's death, and not once has he ever questioned or hinted at any discrepancies in Jordan's description. I wonder why that is?. Even Dr. Arnold Klein had a laughable attempt. But unethical Mesereau, absolutely nothing.
To this date not a single person has ever questioned the accuracy or hinted at any discrepancies in Jordan Chandler's description of Michael Jackson's penis. That also includes the two grand juries that you claim saw the photos and drawings. That means Jordan Chandler's drawings did cooperated with the photos taken of Michael Jackson's penis. You can be sure of that.
Quite the contrary, I am most assuredly sure that they were NOT a match. You also have no information indicating that the grand juries thought it was match, and their failure to indict without Jordan's cooperation is a strong indicator that it was NOT a match.

I also see no reason for Mesereau to comment about an earlier case which had nothing to do with him except that which had become part of the Prior Bad Acts of the trial. He has enough to deal with concerning his involvement with the trial and doesn't particularly need to dig down deep into the archives looking for some fresh new dirt to talk about.

You are also ignoring the fact that Jordan himself has never offered to be of much help. As I've said many times before, strange that an alleged victim of past molestation would do absolutely nothing to help convict his prior molester.

Since: Mar 11

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#404 Jul 16, 2012
Militant feminists are crippling this forum.

(Bitches like at "vindicatemj".)

They are humorless, pompous loudmouths that will gang up on anything that doesn't reflect their values in an instant.

I've been posting crude, male humor on "For Krackerjacks - What is The United Nations?" and while these pissed off women would undoubtedly pay a black comedian big bucks to hear these jokes, posting them in a forum is a major affront to women everywhere!!

Guess what?

MEN AREN'T WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE WORLD ANYMORE!!!!
Dwayne

San Francisco, CA

#405 Jul 16, 2012
I heard that Michael Jackson had to plug his anal hole with a large tampon. He didn't have anything to hold it shut. Imagine having a used Jackson tampon $$$$$$$$$!

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#406 Jul 16, 2012
Dwayne wrote:
I heard that Michael Jackson had to plug his anal hole with a large tampon. He didn't have anything to hold it shut. Imagine having a used Jackson tampon $$$$$$$$$!
Worst of all, imagine waking up in the morning, rolling over and looking at that face!
marcella sowell

Canyon Country, CA

#407 Jul 16, 2012
Micheal jackson! The bestest entertainer in the world micheal loved jackie wilson music so did marcella sowell my favorite all time entertainers are: micheal jackson jackie wilson temptation four tops and surpremes!

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

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#408 Jul 16, 2012
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Quite the contrary, I am most assuredly sure that they were NOT a match. You also have no information indicating that the grand juries thought it was match, and their failure to indict without Jordan's cooperation is a strong indicator that it was NOT a match.
I also see no reason for Mesereau to comment about an earlier case which had nothing to do with him except that which had become part of the Prior Bad Acts of the trial. He has enough to deal with concerning his involvement with the trial and doesn't particularly need to dig down deep into the archives looking for some fresh new dirt to talk about.
You are also ignoring the fact that Jordan himself has never offered to be of much help. As I've said many times before, strange that an alleged victim of past molestation would do absolutely nothing to help convict his prior molester.
Do you have a legal document stating the Grand Jury didn't think the drawing, description, and photos of Michael's genitals matched? I have, however, seen the D.A.'s description of the match and why they should be used as evidence, in the courtroom.

Do you also have a legal document showing Jordan was subpoened and refused to testify? Are you not curious why Michael wouldn't want to take the stand to defend his so-called innocence?

In addition, Messereau did leave a nice, legal trail to keep out anything related to the '93 case, which could have been brought into the court, via Section 1108, Prior Bad Acts.

You lose, again.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

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#409 Jul 16, 2012
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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Worst of all, imagine waking up in the morning, rolling over and looking at that face!
That would be the same as finding yourself in a bad horror movie.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#410 Jul 17, 2012
Len is Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be the same as finding yourself in a bad horror movie.
...while sleeping on cookie crumbs and sheets stained with milk(?).

A real Thriller, eh?

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#411 Jul 27, 2012
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Quite the contrary, I am most assuredly sure that they were NOT a match. You also have no information indicating that the grand juries thought it was match, and their failure to indict without Jordan's cooperation is a strong indicator that it was NOT a match.
I also see no reason for Mesereau to comment about an earlier case which had nothing to do with him except that which had become part of the Prior Bad Acts of the trial. He has enough to deal with concerning his involvement with the trial and doesn't particularly need to dig down deep into the archives looking for some fresh new dirt to talk about.
Yet nobody, absolutely nobody has ever questioned the accuracy of Jordan Chandler description of Michael Jackson's penis. Not even the two grand juries that you claim have saw the photos and drawings with their own eyes. I wonder why that is?.

Unethical Thomas Mesereau made claims that Jordan had gained separation from his parents and that he had witnesses ready to come forward during a Q&A but never once tried to dispute Jordan's description of Michael Jackson's penis. I wonder why that is? Could it be because Mr. Unethical knew it was a perfect match?.

Unethical Mesereau has done at least 15 if not 30+ TV interviews where he's desperately trying to paint Michael Jackson as Mr. Perfect who's been a victim of nasty extortionists. But not once has he ever attempted to dispute Jordan Chandler's description.

This is the one piece of evidence that will never go away. The physical evidence of the telltale splotch. Just how did a 13-year-old Jordan Chandler, know the location of this distinctive splotch? Unethical Mesereau doesn't seem to know and doesn't even dare mention it. Not ever.

*Laughter*

Since: Feb 12

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#412 Jul 27, 2012
persephone wrote:
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You are also ignoring the fact that Jordan himself has never offered to be of much help. As I've said many times before, strange that an alleged victim of past molestation would do absolutely nothing to help convict his prior molester.
You are also ignoring the fact that Michael Jackson himself has never offered to be of much help. As I've said many times before, strange that an alleged victim of extortionists would do absolutely nothing to help protect innocent people from future extortion attempts from these alleged con artists.
Did you know

San Jose, CA

#413 Jul 27, 2012
It's a true fact that M Jackson's grave has had human waste - poop removed 617 times since it has been used. I will add another one to it when I come down to LA in a month. Eat Sht Pedofile!

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