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Reasonable

Roanoke, VA

#1 Nov 1, 2012
Just curious how many of the concerned citizens throw out plastic, aluminum, cardboard, etc. in the trash this week. How many of them have their house powered by solar panels? How many trees were killed to make the hundreds of paper documents they file or have filed? How many ride bicycles to work every day? If you want to talk green, live green and maybe set an example for others. Environmentalist that use coal fired power, use air conditioning, gas or diesel powered cars and cook on electric stoves are basically hypocrites. Just my 2 cents
Well

Princeton, WV

#2 Nov 3, 2012
While some of it is environmental, there are other things at play here, they are basically going after someone that they feel abused his office, and by doing so should be punished, I read on another blog that there were going to be charges filed. By abuse I heard double dipping on grants, not telling his board what he was up to, using property investments from a nonprofit to buy property, running a fore profit garage on a nonprofit number, etc. I also heard that he had very little control over his staff in Narrows and at least one of them or maybe both of them were not doing their job, I heard at least one of them was really doing a no no. But I don't know if every thing I heard was true or not, but I hard time believing that about Narrows, but heard part of it was true.
yea for concerned citizen

Princeton, WV

#3 Nov 4, 2012
I for one am glad that there is a group out there watching for people who abuse our tax money! Who knows how much it would be if they were not keeping watch. They are not the reason Appaachian is closing. It is because they can not afford the new equipment to get them up to standard for pollution control. Just because he has the wool pulled over your eyes does not mean he is not crooked.
so funny

Princeton, WV

#4 Nov 28, 2012
I understand that someone is attempting to cover their butts! So funny about the deputies. Just stupid!
Hokeypokey

Princeton, WV

#5 Nov 29, 2012
Do what? What do deputies have to do with the concerned citizens?
so funny

Princeton, WV

#6 Nov 30, 2012
I understand that Rick Old, town council of Glen Lyn is going around deutizing people telling them that the GCC are whitch hunters. Did not know he was calling all of his friends Whitches! All these people wearing hats are going to look really funny when the truth does come out!
ok confused

Princeton, WV

#7 Dec 1, 2012
so funny wrote:
I understand that Rick Old, town council of Glen Lyn is going around deutizing people telling them that the GCC are whitch hunters. Did not know he was calling all of his friends Whitches! All these people wearing hats are going to look really funny when the truth does come out!
now just a bit confused, he was the one who got GL in trouble by telling the truth, not the CC, and he is doing what???? Was he supposed to lie, he has nothing to do with HS other than being his boss, may be he needs to rethink some of these things. He is retired from the AEP. And, really this has nothing to do with them either, it is about abusing power and thinking that you can go out and do anything apparently on the tax payer dime, all they apparently want now is to have the money if its proved to be paid back.
ok confused

Princeton, WV

#8 Dec 1, 2012
Reasonable wrote:
Just curious how many of the concerned citizens throw out plastic, aluminum, cardboard, etc. in the trash this week. How many of them have their house powered by solar panels? How many trees were killed to make the hundreds of paper documents they file or have filed? How many ride bicycles to work every day? If you want to talk green, live green and maybe set an example for others. Environmentalist that use coal fired power, use air conditioning, gas or diesel powered cars and cook on electric stoves are basically hypocrites. Just my 2 cents
Okay, i am assuming you do all this too, catch up with the story, you also appear to be way behind, geez mouths going typing going and no brain with it
Reasonable

Princeton, WV

#9 Dec 1, 2012
Nope, I don't do any of those things. Difference is that I'm not hiding behind BS environmental protection crap to fund a witch hunt. The concerned citizens are a joke and are all the biggest hypocrites in this county
confused

Princeton, WV

#10 Dec 1, 2012
Reasonable wrote:
Nope, I don't do any of those things. Difference is that I'm not hiding behind BS environmental protection crap to fund a witch hunt. The concerned citizens are a joke and are all the biggest hypocrites in this county
Witch hunt on the property in Narrows, in my opinion there is nothing wrong with that property. They have not lost their focus on that from my understanding, it all started with that, but from what I was told it went into the other stuff after looking at the papers that they had requested with he foia they ask about. it then went to asking for money that they feel was inappropriately used and was tax papyer dollars. It is nice to be the good guy when its everyone else's money.
Pity the mayor

Pembroke, VA

#11 Dec 1, 2012
It is sad that telling the truth in the Glen Lyn is so despised that the Mayor has to resort to theatrics and lies to get back in the good graces of Howard Spencer and friends. The fact is the Mayor did indeed testify that Howard Spencer was lying about the existence of the garage contract between the Town and the Partnership. That's the reason that Judge Williams found the Town and Howard Spencer guilty and the Mayor innocent. Of course it didn't help Mr. Spencer's case when Howard admitted to back dating the document to fool the Concerned Citizens group. The Mayor took so much heat because he wouldn't lie to save Howard that he now feels he has begin some bizarre attack against the Concerned Citizens group to prove his worth. It's truly pathetic.
Sad but true

Pembroke, VA

#12 Dec 1, 2012
I also heard that the Rick was going around deputizing citizens against the Concerned Citizens. One of my friends actually posed for a picture with the NCIS hat. After Rick left they all joked that he must have started drinking early that day.
OMG - What a dork

Pembroke, VA

#13 Dec 1, 2012
Fake NCIS Agents? Truly pathetic, or just plain sad. The man is delusional and even a bit scary at this point. Maybe that's part of the plan on appeal...trot the drunk 'ol codger into court wearing his NCIS hat with his cronie "Special Agents" trailing behind. If that doesn't discredit his previous testimony against Howie Spencer, nothing will. Maybe that's the master plan! LMAO!
for clean government

Salem, VA

#14 Dec 1, 2012
Glen Lyn's threat that Mr Olds keeps talking about is not from the CCGC but from within. All of the fake deputized NCIS agents in the world can't cover for his ignorance. He made his bed when he testified to the truth and now he is trying to take it back. He won the case for the CCGC.
Pity the Mayor 2

Pembroke, VA

#15 Dec 1, 2012
I wish the Mayor could be proud of himself for being honest. From what I have read and heard the citizens group has said nothing but nice things about him for being honest. It is sad that he is so intimidated by Spencer that he is going all over the County making false allegations about that group and pretending that his testimony wasn't the primary reason Spencer was convicted. Does anybody remember when honesty was a virtue and not something to be attacked for or ashamed of. I wish mayor Ould could have just a pinch of the courage that the Concerned Citizens group does.
for clean government

Salem, VA

#16 Dec 1, 2012
Reasonable wrote:
Nope, I don't do any of those things. Difference is that I'm not hiding behind BS environmental protection crap to fund a witch hunt. The concerned citizens are a joke and are all the biggest hypocrites in this county
Do you even know what is going on. How would you like for your county to be owed money that an individual used by using county workers their projects then selling them for a profit.

Open your mouth when you know what you are talking about
Reasonable

Roanoke, VA

#17 Dec 1, 2012
I know what I am talking about, The concerned citizens have went after him time and time again and wasted how much money? Here's an idea, if you are so concerned about the citizens of Giles, invest some if that wasted witch hunt money on community problems and progress. Do you know the number if low and low moderate families in Giles? I'm sure they would appreciate your group actually being concerned about them instead of wasting money on concerning yourself with a useless witch hunt. How many people were employed by the partnership? How many families were fed by his group? How many community projects were completed at little or no cost to the community/residents? NOW.... How many families have you fed? How many jobs did you create? How many community projects or home rehabs have you completed?
Unreasonable

Pembroke, VA

#18 Dec 2, 2012
Wasted money -- how is spending money protecting democracy and your tax dollars a waste of money? They spend their own money looking out for the County. Howard spends other peoples money looking out for Howard. It's Howard Spencer who is not really interested in low or moderate income people. Did you know that the last house his Hammering crew worked on (for the County Indoor Plumbing program) was four months late being completed and cost (according to HUD estimates) between 15-25 thousand more than it should have cost. Not to mention that they failed to install the handicap shower or a single phone jack. Guess who paid for these additional overruns -- the tax payer. So your suggestion that these projects were of little cost is a ridiculous claim. The biggest issue right now is that it has been recently discovered and reported that Howard borrowed County workers and equipment and billed the state for the use of these workers and failed to tell the County or report the money he received on behalf of his town and the Partnership (or himself?). But the biggest issue is that he was secretly sending county workers to the Partnerships investment property (on Morris St. in Narrows). After illegally using the workers (paid with your tax dollars)to repair the house the Partnership sold it and reinvested all of the profits in the purchase of the land used to dump fly ash. By the way Spencer was a paid employee of the Partnership at the time he illegally used the County workers which is an additional crime.

The County Government has now admitted that they turned over nearly a quarter of a million dollars to Spencer and friends without keeping a ledger of the account and they have also claimed (this past week)that they didn't realize Spencer was doing these things with our tax dollars -- although it's hard to believe the County was unaware. As far as money goes -- when the Concerned Citizens started asking questions about the secret funding to the Hammering Program the County quickly shut down the program. If the program was so effective why would they shut it down? Maybe it was because the Hammering program had been tossed by the County's Indoor Plumbing program because they never finished a project on time, within budget, or to specifications. The same reason DHCD grant 04-18 was pulled from the town of Glen Lyn. Sadly over two hundred thousand dollars of grant money for low income housing was lost. Why? Because Spencer dropped the ball on the grant when he saw dollar signs associated with dumping fly ash next to the New River. If you take the average yearly amount of our tax dollars that the County Administration had been secretly funneling to Spencer's Hammering program and multiply it by the number of years since the wasteful program was shut down (thanks to the Citizens) you will find that well over a hundred thousand dollars of our tax money has been saved. As far as you personally attacking the Citizens by inferring that they are some sort of hypocrites. Please be informed that in addition to the personnel donations that they make to charities and the volunteer work they do in the County (which is their own personal business)the citizens as a group also support other organizations including scholarships for students at Narrows and Giles High School. I'm sure you would be surprised to know that the since 2008 the Citizens have given more to the Public Schools than the Partnership. Which is pretty strange when you consider the Partnership is a tax exempt organization dedicated solely to to "Educational Enrichment". But I guess Howard is too busy abusing his power and managing for profit garages for his non profit to actually use the money for what is was intended. Trying to divert peoples attention from Howard's crimes and abuse of power by attacking the group that caught him is a waste of time. The majority of the people of Giles County can see right through your feeble attempt to protect Spencer.
Idol curosity

Princeton, WV

#19 Dec 2, 2012
Reasonable wrote:
I know what I am talking about, The concerned citizens have went after him time and time again and wasted how much money? Here's an idea, if you are so concerned about the citizens of Giles, invest some if that wasted witch hunt money on community problems and progress. Do you know the number if low and low moderate families in Giles? I'm sure they would appreciate your group actually being concerned about them instead of wasting money on concerning yourself with a useless witch hunt. How many people were employed by the partnership? How many families were fed by his group? How many community projects were completed at little or no cost to the community/residents? NOW.... How many families have you fed? How many jobs did you create? How many community projects or home rehabs have you completed?
Just how many families has he fed, how many homes has he fixed for families that were low to moderate, well lets see NONE. Howard Spencer did not spend one dime to do this not one dime, it was our tax payer money that paid for this. How many people did he feed, not one person, that money here again was tax payer money. Taking credit for managing money, well isn't that nice of him, but he really didn't do it for free now did he. HE WAS PAID VERY WELL, but his staff did most of the work for him. That way he was free to do anything he wanted to do, and not worry about it. I do know for a fact that the concerned citizens use their own money, and also do community projects. So unless you prove he did this with his own money then get on here and preach.

And, as far as Rick Ould, he should be proud of the fact he told the truth, not begging an old man and a town council to for give him, the only person he has to answer to, is GOD. And if they are making him feel bad then shame on them. I have heard its not pretty. Are they saying that they would get up there and lie, well isn't that sad.
Reasonable

Princeton, WV

#20 Dec 2, 2012
I know for a fact that he has helped the less fortunate with money from his own pocket, because my family was one if the families he helped! He has paid water bills, electric bills, heating oil bills and more for several local families. You come on here and bash him yet offer no proof for anything. If he is a crook, where is the jail time? Nowhere because you can't be thrown in jail for lies and rumors. This witch hunt has went on for about 6 years with NO CRIMINAL CHARGES. It's about time for it to be laid to rest

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