Police Shoot And Kill Stabbing Suspect

May 14, 2006 Read more: Wjz.com 26
Anne Arundel County Police tell WJZ.COM that a stabbing suspect is dead after officers fired multiple shots at him early Sunday morning.At 4:30 am., officers responded to 8433 Arbutus Road in Pasadena after a ... Read more
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pasadena resident

Auburn Hills, MI

#1 May 14, 2006
I don't understand how they could just shoot him to death. Okay I know and understand when an officers life or anybodies life is at risk for that mattert they do have the right to protect themselves. But if you think about it couldn't they have shot him in the leg or arm I have a cousin who was the first to tell me about this story and she was told by a close friend that they shot Justine in the head 4 times not even given him the chance to make it.(wether this part is true or not I don't know) And what happen to the girlfrien? As for the mother I feel sorry for her the cops gave her a mothers day she would never foreget.
Tiffany

Nottingham, MD

#2 May 14, 2006
My Father personally spoke to Justine's Father...and this is what really happened.....Justine was standing outside of his house and was very upset about a fight he had with his girlfriend....The only thing that Justine asked of the officers was to allow him to walk over to his parents....He said that all he wanted was his Mom and Dad and that would drop the scissors.....The officers refused and would not allow his parents to go near him,,,,,Justine's brother then ran towards the scene, just finding out what was going on....Justine turned towards his brother and was shot 7 times in the chest, 5 times hitting him in the heart....Justine was literally gunned down at 18 years old infront of his own family.....Justines family then ran towards their lifeless son, when they were then tackled to the growned and hand cuffed like criminals......Now you tell me that 4 officers with loaded guns could not shoot the kid in the foot or something if they really saw him as a threat? What could an 18 year old boy have against 4 officers armed with guns.....These officers should not only loose thier jobs, but be put away for life.....And I hope that his family takes this to the highest level possible.....So I dont know where the story came from that was posted here and all over the internet local news, but somebody better get thier stories straight...I ask all who read this for their prayers and support for Justines family.....
NC Resident

Charlotte, NC

#3 May 15, 2006
My thought on this situation is this... 4 cops (probably with bullet proof vests on), one 18 year old, with a pair of scissors, wanting to talk to his family and denied. What's wrong with this picture? I realize there may be more details to the story but I was told that basically that's the long and the short of it. That there was no charging, simply an 18 year old walking towards his family.

I feel that so many other possible scenerio's could have been the outcome of this horrible incident and that proper tactics were neglected by the police. I truly hope that the case and the police unit is investigated to the fullest and that something occurs to make sure this never happens to another individual and their family again.

My heart goes out to the Fisher's, their extended family, and friends. You will all be in my thoughts and prayers.
Jennifer

Hanover, MD

#4 May 15, 2006
I don't know what happened i wasn't there, but police officers cannot shoot somebody to simply harm them. If they are threatened and use thier guns, they must shoot to kill. I do know for sure that when a man with a guns tells somebody to drop the scissors, they should drop them. We are raised to listen to police officers and do what they say. If he didn't drop the weapon and continued to threaten the saftey of the officers and those around him then the officers made the right decision.
awakened by shots

Bethlehem, PA

#5 May 15, 2006
it's all whisper down the alley. and of course none of you were there. those officers made the right choice, those involved are safer because of the decision those officers made. unfortunatly opening fire at a person who at the last moments filled with rage, turned on the officers, isn't like playing volleyball, with their own lives as stake, no one yelled "i got it". those shots were fired literally within all of 1 second. i believe those officeres all feared the same, and all made the same decision, they will have to live with that, as will the parents for placing the 911 call. what you all need to understand is that this situation was going on for nearly an hour, the medics, fire dept, and police were all on site to help this person, he made his choice. reguardless of all the other details of what lead to this, when armed officers tell you to put a weapon down, or surrender, or anything. why the hell wouldn't you just listen!!!
Chris

New York, NY

#6 May 15, 2006
Justin was my nephew. A great kid, did well in school and loving...I live in Florida. here the police use a tazer for such situations. How much harm can an 18 year old do with a pair of scissors? I doubt if he could harm 4 police officers if they were to tackle him. He was upset. KILLED IN THE PRESENCE OF HIS MOTHER, FATHER, AND BIG BROTHER. I wonder if these officers are sleeping well at night. I would think that they probably feel like heros. If any of them read this, I would really like to think about what you've done and how many lives you have ruined. Jutin lost both of his grandads within a month. How do you feel about that?
Chris

New York, NY

#7 May 15, 2006
Spelling shows the mental capacity of one who makes such ngative comments.
NC Resident

Charlotte, NC

#8 May 15, 2006
Incase some people haven't noticed the media does not always report the truth, the family of the victim (and yes I feel he and his whole family are victims) have not stated their side of the story. Do you know their side of the story? Have you spoke with one of them personally? Maybe a friend of the families? No... in that case you are getting a very very skewed version of the event in question.

Everyone is entitled to their own opion, but it's sad when people voice their opinion and aren't completely educated about the topic.
anonymous

AOL

#9 May 15, 2006
I don't know what stories you all are talking about, The article above these posts states that he charged after an officer after a 45min standoff.....should of dropped the scissors and not charged an officer. And I do believe you can kill someone stabbing them with scissor....they are sharp....and the article says he stabbed himself and possibly the girlfriend, so the cops right there already had it in their minds, "If he will stab the people he loves" (his girlfriend), "then why wouldn't he stab someone else".....people always want to believe the kids were right, same with the kids who died driving 120 mph down Mountain Rd drunk. they may be good kids, but some just don't think....
NC Resident

Charlotte, NC

#10 May 15, 2006
I realize what the media is saying... however, I'm just saying that no one has heard the Fisher's side of the story (and I believe it is quite different from what the police are saying). The Fisher's aren't talking to the media because they are mourning the loss of their 18 year old son/brother/nephew/etc.

Also, have you heard anything come out of the media about his "girlfriend"? Have you heard that she was stabbed? Don't you think if she was more would be written on that?

I am saying that I believe in this case the "kid" (who has a name by the way, Justin)wasn't in the right state of mind and the police officers didn't know how to handle the situation. Have you read the articles that say this is the fourth shooting by this police unit in the past month (it's only the 15th by the way) and they have less experience dealing as a group/unit with a threating subject? That makes me feel real safe, how about you?

Cougar

Pasadena, MD

#11 May 16, 2006
I was searching the internet for what others had to say about this unfortunate situation which brought me to this site. I'm a life long resident of Pasadena. Being so close to home, this story shocked me. I'm trying to look at this situation from outside the box. There's a few things I would like to pont out.

I believe a less lethal weapon could have been used in this situation. The police have been complaining for years to have their cars equipped with tasers and beanbag shotguns. For this to happen, they had to get approval from the county counsel who choose to sit on it way to long. Yes it's true that some cars are equipped with beanbag shotguns but that's only a select few. So if we are going to blame anyone, blame the county counsel and Chief Shanahan. Don't blame the 4 officers that were only doing their job. This young man chose to charge after the officers with a deadly weapon. They had no other option but to shoot him. Police are trained to shoot at the body, not the arms or legs. This is real life, not the movies. Do you know how hard it is to hit a moving target with a handgun? These officers are risking their lives. Neighbors statements concluded that this young man was clearly yelling kill me! kill me! kill me! Talking him down clearly failed and looks like he wanted to die from suicide by police. They could of fought him down, but with one good swing and we would be reading officer killed in the line of duty, now who wants that?

Again, if you're going to blame someone. Blame the higher ups who clearly failed. Don't throw the 4 officers under the bus as of yet. I can't believe they didn't have these devices in their patrol cars and it still puzzles me. They have been around for years. A taser shock would of brought this young man down to his knees with a better outcome.

My condolence goes out to the family and the mother who had to witness this on Mothers Day.
Richard

AOL

#12 May 16, 2006
You're only commenting on what was stated by the media. Its my understanding that this boy walked towards his family. There was no "charging" involved. These statements were made by the trigger happy Anned Arundel County Police. You haven't read any statements from the family on what really happened.
Jennifer

Hanover, MD

#13 May 16, 2006
No we have not read any statements from the family about what happened. I suspect in the coming weeks we probably will. I also agree that the police are sometimes unwilling to admit a bad decision was made. However, as a child of a police officer, I would be even more afraid if my father did not react the same way these officers did. Justin was threatening the saftey of the officers with a lethal weapon. HE MADE A BAD CHOICE!!!!! His decision to not put the scissors down cost him his life. When put in that situation I pray the my father would shoot the person. One persons bad decision should not cost an officer his life if he can protect himself. Imagine being one of those officers for 45 min you are watching a kid threaten his own life with scissors, your gun out, and suddenly he starts coming toward you. Your adrenaline is pumping and you think to yourself, "He is gonna stab me!!" you shoot. You suddenly realize that there is gunfire all around you. The reason for this is that three other officer had the exact same thought at the exact same moment. It is an unfortunate incident but those officers defended themselves; as is thier right as a human being.
Cougar

Pasadena, MD

#14 May 17, 2006
Richard wrote:
You're only commenting on what was stated by the media. Its my understanding that this boy walked towards his family. There was no "charging" involved. These statements were made by the trigger happy Anned Arundel County Police. You haven't read any statements from the family on what really happened.
He walked towards his family, huh? Sure, lets have a mentally ill person walk towards his family with 9" scissors! Lets have him hug his mother and tell her he's sorry and everyone goes home. News flash, the mother called 911 saying he was threatening himself and his girlfriend. I don't know what you think but when the police control a situation that means this young man isn't going anywhere. When the police give you a command you listen. The police aren't going to allow this young man anywhere near his family. The police don't know his mental status and having 9" scissors in ones hand pretty much proves the point. Calling them trigger happy is embarrassing statement. Sure, I bet they high fived each other and went out for pizza and a beer.
NC Resident

Charlotte, NC

#15 May 17, 2006
All right... I realize what everyone is saying. But yet again, you are only hearing the police units side of the story. I can't stress this enough. If you talk to someone from the family or a friend of the family's who has spoke with them, their interpretation of the event was much different, from the phone call to the so-called "charging".

As for the police they didn't have the right equipment-taser guns- I admit this is a matter that needs to be taken up with the county counsel, but there wasn't a negotiater at the scene-someone who actually knows how to handle the situation, they wouldn't let his family actually talk to him, according to one witness their was a first shot fired- followed by several more, which indicates they weren't done at the same time, so were they all really thinking the exact same thing? These are only a few things that some of you are leaving out... I'm just trying to make them known.

I really wish people wouldn't jump to conclusions without being totally educated on the topic. I realize I'm stating this for a second time- but obviously some people feel that the media is always accurate, if the family isn't talking then it's a one sided story...how accurate is that?
Slick

Cleveland, OH

#16 May 17, 2006
Funny, If put in that situation as a friend, someone with scissors harming themselves, i would think i could tackle a armed person, with just scissors in there hand if there were 4 or 5 of us. Also, being able to use a hand gun myself, it is somewhat easy to shoot someone in the leg, arm, rather than shooting someone "supposedly" charging.

I have family members that are police officers, yet again "supposedly" they were in harms way. The 18 year old was obviously scared, not in thte right mental state, and wanted his families love. The police officers were inpatient, being so early in the morning, they all had a "knee-jerk reflex". And who the hell listens to the media, more than half the time they have the wrong response to every event.

Put youself in the family place, and stop making negative comments that have no influence on you. Yes the county should be blamed, as well as the officers for using such lethal means, "My God" 7 shots to someone with a knife (scissors). All the other shooting within the area mostly involved guns.

This family should have there son today. Bad choices that night, the mother was just trying to help her son to the hospitol, "not in a body bag". She knew he was upset and needed someone from the hospitols help, to talk things out, from what i understand he wasn't thinking straight and was extremly upset, possibly endangering his lif, noone else.

Again I say, don't make comments if you don't know the facts, the media as i said is more than half the time wrong, and of course they will jump to the cops side. Police officers are suppose to protect our communtities, not harm someone that is obviously in need of help.
Regina

Middleton, MA

#17 May 18, 2006
anonymous wrote:
I don't know what stories you all are talking about, The article above these posts states that he charged after an officer after a 45min standoff.....should of dropped the scissors and not charged an officer. And I do believe you can kill someone stabbing them with scissor....they are sharp....and the article says he stabbed himself and possibly the girlfriend, so the cops right there already had it in their minds, "If he will stab the people he loves" (his girlfriend), "then why wouldn't he stab someone else".....people always want to believe the kids were right, same with the kids who died driving 120 mph down Mountain Rd drunk. they may be good kids, but some just don't think....
I ca see why you would want to remain anonymous. That was the most ridiculous statement I have read for so many reasons!
-Regina
anonymous

AOL

#18 May 26, 2006
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
I ca see why you would want to remain anonymous. That was the most ridiculous statement I have read for so many reasons!
-Regina
I have my opinions, please enjoy yours, have a nice day
Jess

Hyattsville, MD

#19 Sep 5, 2006
Still nobody knows the facts from the family's side. Why has it taken so long to hear both sides of the story?
I feel the boy was way out of line, however, how close was this boy really to piercing an officer.
How about some actual distances from an unbiased witness. Someone else had to have seen this. If they all can shoot in the heart, that is a crock that one of them couldn't have shot a leg. These guys did their duty but the nuckleheads were too incompetent to diffuse the situation nonlethally. Why didn't one of them have some mace in hand. He had freaking scissors.
To their defense, we don't know what really happened yet do we? When the dust settles, decision makers who decided to not make tasers or stun shotguns top priority, should be fired and prosicuted for negligence. If an investigative reporter will do their job here and find something, I think it will shed light to police negligence of some kind.
I thought protect and serve also meant lots of target practice
Aln

Fairfax, VA

#20 Jan 10, 2007
for all of you who bash the police on this, the next time a 911 call goes out and there is a nut with a pair of scissors, we will call you to take him down since you are so brave. God bless those 4 officers as they sleep in their warm beds at night, spending time with family.we have a program for youth gangs in my area, and all the smack they talk (similar to what some of you are saying) changes when they are put in practical simulations, such as the same ones officers do every day.the only difference is those situations do not have the reality of possible death or serious injury to the "officer", like there are in real mental cases, traffic stops, dom. violence, etc. less lethal weapons are good,but you get one shot with a taser,if you miss (which is possible in the heat of battle)your done.do you want to take that chance? heck, some of you cant and wont help someone with a flat tire on the side of the road.....

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