an open letter to Frances Steenbergen

an open letter to Frances Steenbergen

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bchs teacher

Evansville, IN

#1 Nov 16, 2008
Guess what, the election is over and your candidate lost, get over it. Your time and effort could be used more productively lobbying for teachers and students in Frankfort than writing crazy letters to the editor that make no sense. Maybe you should use the time that you spend writing letters to call Sen. Givens and get to know him. You could probably use his help in Frankfort. His wife is a teacher and he is probably inclined to help your cause, except that he may not if you keep writing stupid letters that make no sense criticizing his campaign. Your letter was very counterproductive to helping the cause of getting teachers help in Frankfort !!
Howdy

Danville, KY

#2 Nov 16, 2008
Do you have a link to Mrs. Steenbergen's letter? I'd like to read it, but I haven't been able to find it on the GDT website.

I was a district employee at one point. The teachers' union is such a scam--I saw firsthand the pressure put on to young teachers to pay their dues and join the KEA. I'm of the opinion that the KEA seeks not to further education, but to further the self interests of folks like Mrs. Steenbergen and the Democratic Party of Kentucky. No matter your politics, the close link between the two should make you cast a skeptical eye on KEA causes.

I also found it cute that Kelly Ross won some type of teacher of the year award from the KEA a year or so back. In my humble opinion, she's not even the best teacher in the English department, much less the whole state.
Howdy

Danville, KY

#3 Nov 16, 2008
Ah, I just saw the Steenbergen letter in the other thread. It's nice to see she's still out of touch!
Tired

Raywick, KY

#4 Nov 16, 2008
Where is the thread, I can't find it. I bet she's wanting more pay for teachers??? If so, I wish I got paid as much as a teacher. Paid holidays, summer vacations. Its the profession they chose, it shouldn't be about the money.
Howdy wrote:
Ah, I just saw the Steenbergen letter in the other thread. It's nice to see she's still out of touch!
bchs teacher

Evansville, IN

#5 Nov 17, 2008
Tired wrote:
Where is the thread, I can't find it. I bet she's wanting more pay for teachers??? If so, I wish I got paid as much as a teacher. Paid holidays, summer vacations. Its the profession they chose, it shouldn't be about the money.
<quoted text>
Newberry ran honorable campaign

Dear Editor,

I wish to publicly commend Steve Newberry and his campaign team for running such a positive campaign for state Senate. What a promise to keep to your family, community and yes, even your opponent that you would not engage in negative campaigning. What a refreshing change from the cut-throat, mud-slinging style of politics we are used to.

Unfortunately we cannot say the same of his opponent. Once Givens and the State Republican Party realized he was so far behind Newberry in the polls they wasted no time in engaging in the tactics of twisting the truth, misleading the public, win-at-any cost negative advertisements, fliers and commercials! Yet, through it all, Steve kept to his commitment, telling his voters in his positive way what he wanted to do if elected – work to increase jobs in the area, improve health care, education and try to put an end to the partisan way of doing things in the Senate.

Unfortunately, the people of Barren County didn’t support their native son, Steve Newberry, like the people of Green County did Givens. Too many in Steve’s own community bought into the negative tone and tactics of his opponent’s campaign. All too often we hear people say they hate politics because of all the negative, hurtful campaigning that goes with it. But it appears that it is exactly what the majority of the people in the 9th Senate District wanted to hear, because they looked past Steve’s good qualities, his positive message and instead voted for his opponent.

Givens will tell you he did not run any negative ads, the State Republican Party did. But “let’s stop the bologna.” Don’t you think the Democratic Party of Kentucky was ready to run ads that would not have been favorable to Givens on Steve Newberry’s behalf? But Steve ran his own campaign and said “No” to negative ads. He answered the Givens attacks but did not stoop to that level of politics where one’s integrity is lost to win votes.

So to whom does David Givens owe his allegiance? I hope it will be the people of the district who elected him, both Democrat and Republican. But I am afraid he already owes too much to the Senate President and to the State Republican Party. Time will tell.

Frances Steenbergen
bchs teacher

Evansville, IN

#6 Nov 17, 2008
Tired wrote:
Where is the thread, I can't find it. I bet she's wanting more pay for teachers??? If so, I wish I got paid as much as a teacher. Paid holidays, summer vacations. Its the profession they chose, it shouldn't be about the money.
<quoted text>
the Daily Times buried it on their website at the end of the Jail letter, here it is in full:

Newberry ran honorable campaign

Dear Editor,

I wish to publicly commend Steve Newberry and his campaign team for running such a positive campaign for state Senate. What a promise to keep to your family, community and yes, even your opponent that you would not engage in negative campaigning. What a refreshing change from the cut-throat, mud-slinging style of politics we are used to.

Unfortunately we cannot say the same of his opponent. Once Givens and the State Republican Party realized he was so far behind Newberry in the polls they wasted no time in engaging in the tactics of twisting the truth, misleading the public, win-at-any cost negative advertisements, fliers and commercials! Yet, through it all, Steve kept to his commitment, telling his voters in his positive way what he wanted to do if elected – work to increase jobs in the area, improve health care, education and try to put an end to the partisan way of doing things in the Senate.

Unfortunately, the people of Barren County didn’t support their native son, Steve Newberry, like the people of Green County did Givens. Too many in Steve’s own community bought into the negative tone and tactics of his opponent’s campaign. All too often we hear people say they hate politics because of all the negative, hurtful campaigning that goes with it. But it appears that it is exactly what the majority of the people in the 9th Senate District wanted to hear, because they looked past Steve’s good qualities, his positive message and instead voted for his opponent.

Givens will tell you he did not run any negative ads, the State Republican Party did. But “let’s stop the bologna.” Don’t you think the Democratic Party of Kentucky was ready to run ads that would not have been favorable to Givens on Steve Newberry’s behalf? But Steve ran his own campaign and said “No” to negative ads. He answered the Givens attacks but did not stoop to that level of politics where one’s integrity is lost to win votes.

So to whom does David Givens owe his allegiance? I hope it will be the people of the district who elected him, both Democrat and Republican. But I am afraid he already owes too much to the Senate President and to the State Republican Party. Time will tell.

Frances Steenbergen
bchs teacher

Evansville, IN

#7 Nov 17, 2008
Howdy wrote:
Do you have a link to Mrs. Steenbergen's letter? I'd like to read it, but I haven't been able to find it on the GDT website.
I was a district employee at one point. The teachers' union is such a scam--I saw firsthand the pressure put on to young teachers to pay their dues and join the KEA. I'm of the opinion that the KEA seeks not to further education, but to further the self interests of folks like Mrs. Steenbergen and the Democratic Party of Kentucky. No matter your politics, the close link between the two should make you cast a skeptical eye on KEA causes.
I also found it cute that Kelly Ross won some type of teacher of the year award from the KEA a year or so back. In my humble opinion, she's not even the best teacher in the English department, much less the whole state.
howdy, you hit the nail on the head !
somebody

Glasgow, KY

#8 Nov 17, 2008
what is the KEA ?
doofus

Glasgow, KY

#9 Nov 17, 2008
somebody wrote:
what is the KEA ?
Its the kentucky teachers union, they spend teachers money lobbying frankfort politicians to get pay raises for themselves.
that is about it
bchs teacher

Glasgow, KY

#10 Nov 17, 2008
i wish the KEA would go away..
i dont see what they have done to help anybody
hardmoney

Glasgow, KY

#11 Nov 17, 2008
bchs teacher wrote:
Guess what, the election is over and your candidate lost, get over it. Your time and effort could be used more productively lobbying for teachers and students in Frankfort than writing crazy letters to the editor that make no sense. Maybe you should use the time that you spend writing letters to call Sen. Givens and get to know him. You could probably use his help in Frankfort. His wife is a teacher and he is probably inclined to help your cause, except that he may not if you keep writing stupid letters that make no sense criticizing his campaign. Your letter was very counterproductive to helping the cause of getting teachers help in Frankfort !!
the problem now to much government
hardmoney

Glasgow, KY

#12 Nov 17, 2008
Howdy wrote:
Do you have a link to Mrs. Steenbergen's letter? I'd like to read it, but I haven't been able to find it on the GDT website.
I was a district employee at one point. The teachers' union is such a scam--I saw firsthand the pressure put on to young teachers to pay their dues and join the KEA. I'm of the opinion that the KEA seeks not to further education, but to further the self interests of folks like Mrs. Steenbergen and the Democratic Party of Kentucky. No matter your politics, the close link between the two should make you cast a skeptical eye on KEA causes.
I also found it cute that Kelly Ross won some type of teacher of the year award from the KEA a year or so back. In my humble opinion, she's not even the best teacher in the English department, much less the whole state.
that is exactly right unions have destroyed everything it has its hold on from the eduacation system to whats going on in the auto industry
What polls

Cave City, KY

#13 Nov 17, 2008
bchs teacher wrote:
i wish the KEA would go away..
i dont see what they have done to help anybody
Ms. Steenbergen had reference to Givens as being behind in the "polls" in her letter as well did Mr. Newberry in some of his radio ads, but I never saw any poll results. With Newberry's pretty sound defeat of approxmiately 4,000 votes, its seems as though the early "polls" were somewhat skewed.
What polls

Cave City, KY

#14 Nov 17, 2008
hardmoney wrote:
<quoted text> that is exactly right unions have destroyed everything it has its hold on from the eduacation system to whats going on in the auto industry
exactly right! If it weren't for the unions, an assembly line monkey would be making 50,000/year instead of 100,000+ and GMC, Ford and Chrysler wouldn't be dead.

Sometimes, its better to take a pay cut and keep a job.
disgusted

Glasgow, KY

#15 Nov 17, 2008
hardmoney wrote:
<quoted text> that is exactly right unions have destroyed everything it has its hold on from the eduacation system to whats going on in the auto industry
That's not true. Although Unions aren't as good as they used to be they aren't the downfall of the Automotive Industry. The CEO'S and the Board of Directors of these companies took and took and embezzled and gave themselves ridiculous bonuses and perks until they caused the bottom to fall out. Same thing with Freddie and Fanny...can't blame anyone but the bigwigs taking so much more than their share of the pie. Somebody had to pay for those big bucks eventually...and now we are paying.
polls is polls

Glasgow, KY

#16 Nov 17, 2008
What polls wrote:
<quoted text>
Ms. Steenbergen had reference to Givens as being behind in the "polls" in her letter as well did Mr. Newberry in some of his radio ads, but I never saw any poll results. With Newberry's pretty sound defeat of approxmiately 4,000 votes, its seems as though the early "polls" were somewhat skewed.
the poll results that i was told about had the race very close, up to the end
unionsarebad

Glasgow, KY

#17 Nov 17, 2008
disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not true. Although Unions aren't as good as they used to be they aren't the downfall of the Automotive Industry. The CEO'S and the Board of Directors of these companies took and took and embezzled and gave themselves ridiculous bonuses and perks until they caused the bottom to fall out. Same thing with Freddie and Fanny...can't blame anyone but the bigwigs taking so much more than their share of the pie. Somebody had to pay for those big bucks eventually...and now we are paying.
While not a fan of huge CEO pay, especially to those CEO's that are poor managers, the inflated wages of the "normal line" guy and ridiculous health and retirement benefits to retirees are the problem, along with an inferior product, are the biggest problems of the automotive industry.

However, one can see why they always bowed to the big unions. Times were good, sales were good and anytime management balked, the union would strike thereby cripping the industry.
Not so political

Raywick, KY

#18 Nov 17, 2008
From a business owners stand point. Glasgow doesn't support their own anyway. Whats new???

I voted for Givens.
Scab

Glasgow, KY

#19 Nov 17, 2008
I love it when a union worker loses his job. Greedy jerks have priced themselfs out of work. Let them starve, lose their homes, and live a miserable life. When they plot to strike cause they are greedy, they screw everyone. Death to the unions
disgusted

Glasgow, KY

#20 Nov 17, 2008
unionsarebad wrote:
<quoted text>
While not a fan of huge CEO pay, especially to those CEO's that are poor managers, the inflated wages of the "normal line" guy and ridiculous health and retirement benefits to retirees are the problem, along with an inferior product, are the biggest problems of the automotive industry.
However, one can see why they always bowed to the big unions. Times were good, sales were good and anytime management balked, the union would strike thereby cripping the industry.
Inflation wa factored in when the normal guys got their raises and benefits. The car prices went up to adjust. How many cars do you think would have to be sold so as to adjust for the millions that the CEO collected PLUS benefits for him and his family. Go on down the line and apply those millions to all the board of directors and their families, then the bigwigs of the different factories too. I guess you are right. It was the normal guy that walked away with enough bonus money and benefits to buy several homes and vacation homes for millions of dollars and endless bling-bling for the Mrs and enough money to see to it that their kids and grandkids will enjoy the same lifestyle. Yeah, damn those unions !

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