Non-Violent Drug Offenders Law

Non-Violent Drug Offenders Law

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LMAO

Irvington, KY

#1 Feb 17, 2011
The Non-Violent Drug Offender Billed sailed through the house today 97 to 2. Non Violent offenders will not receive prison time in Kentucky any longer or short sentences. lol...It was a Democrap bill, didn't take Rand Paul to do it.

Beats paying $22,000 to keep them locked up.
thats right

Glasgow, KY

#3 Feb 17, 2011
thats right ,just keep em on the streets so they can sell DRUGS to our kids.Way to go Ky.

Since: Oct 09

Hart County, KY.

#4 Feb 17, 2011
thats right wrote:
thats right ,just keep em on the streets so they can sell DRUGS to our kids.Way to go Ky.
If the only thing keeping your kids from using drugs is lack of people selling drugs, then your kids are going to take drugs!

If you haven't noticed, we spend BILLIONS of dollars a year on "the war on drugs", and this has been going on for 40 years now, yet drugs are more plentiful now than ever....

So maybe instead of thinking that the state can make up for your lack of parenting by punishing every person who chooses to use drugs, you might want to try raising your kids with some moral values, and restrict their freedoms and actually watch them!

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

Since: Apr 10

USA

#5 Feb 17, 2011
Well said but I have seen a few with the best parents, love, support and education turn to drugs.

Since: Oct 09

Hart County, KY.

#6 Feb 17, 2011
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
Well said but I have seen a few with the best parents, love, support and education turn to drugs.
Definitely. But the thing is, it is impossible to rid the world of drugs as long as there are people who want them- even in a total police state. They even had drugs in Soviet Russia.

But I mean, heck, I grew up in NY and as a teen lived in the heart of New York City, and drugs were always very easy to come by- and thank goodness, I never touched the stuff, because I was raised to always hate drugs- and I knew if I ever used them, it would break my mother's heart and she would never trust me.

The school I went to was like a drug supermarket in the late 70's- but I noticed one thing: The kids whose parents kept them under close supervision, and who were always there, were the ones who rarely got into drugs.

Even if I had wanted to do drugs, it would have been impossible, because I never had access to the kind of money that would be necessary, nor the kind of freedom which would have allowed me to hide it. It was hard to even sneak a few cigarettes- I'd basically have to buy a pack and smoke a few, and throw the rest away, because there's no way I could have hidden them.(Not that my mother searched my room or anything...but she did put the laundry away, and clean....and even if she did look around more than that, I guess that was a good thing- because I could never be like the kids who were able to hide virtually anything in their rooms)

So how are you doing tonight, Sweetie? Is it warm by you?

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

Since: Apr 10

USA

#7 Feb 17, 2011
I'm wonderful and it was 61 here today! Loving it!! How are you?

The drug problem isn't going away anytime soon and now everyone is hooked on prescription drugs....really sad and scarey this world we live in that so many need to be self medicated.

Since: Oct 09

Hart County, KY.

#8 Feb 17, 2011
And then there are the kids, like one of my siblings, who are just bad seeds.... and even though my sibling never (to my knowledge) got into drugs, they had enough other vices that it really doesn't matter.

And shoot- I remember when my cousin was in medical school- he'd do cocaine recreationally. If he had been caught, what sense would it have made for the state to ruin his life and career because of it? He is now a successful taxpayer....but under heavy-handed drug laws, he could have ended up as a lifelong criminal- not because of the drugs, but because of the state imposed consequences. I fail to see the sense of that.

Or like this crackhead whom my friend employs. The guy has been on drugs for 20 years. Lost his house and new cars...not from the drugs, but because of the state. And despite all the state-sponsored persecution, he is still on drugs- so I fail to see any benefit of their laws- it has done nothing but to help ruin someone's life (The guy is a very skilled autobody man- one of his cars is in the Harrah's museum). He had even committed crimes- not to get drugs, as he makes good money- all of which is spent on drugs- but to pay legal expenses after he is arrested.

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

Since: Apr 10

USA

#9 Feb 17, 2011
I know, I had a brother that was hooked for 20 yrs. clean and sober now....

Since: Oct 09

Hart County, KY.

#10 Feb 17, 2011
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
I know, I had a brother that was hooked for 20 yrs. clean and sober now....
I really thought my friend's employee was finally off it- he must've been through 100 rehabs over the years- court-ordered- and they did absolutely no good. This last time, he started seeing his health deteriorating and decided himself that he wanted to get off drugs- so he went voluntarily, and was then clean for quite some time. He started saving his money, and rebuilding his life....but it didn't last long- he's back on again.

Some people are just gonna be alcoholics/druggies no matter what. Some can use it recreationally (like cousin) and not have a problem. It's like anything else I suppose....it all depends on you.

The interesting thing is to look at the countries that have legalized drugs- like Portugal- Instead of the place being infested with drugs, like some people would think would happen, the visible, societal effects have instead diminished in such places- just like when we ended alcohol Prohibition, all the crime associated with alcohol disappeared.

People always talk about getting rid of meth. Just legalize the drugs that they really want, and meth would disappear overnight. It's really the "War On Drugs" that has created thjings like meth and crack- just a Prohibition created stills; speak-easies and organized crime involvement in alcohol.

“ready for football”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#11 Feb 18, 2011
Original T Jefferson wrote:
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I really thought my friend's employee was finally off it- he must've been through 100 rehabs over the years- court-ordered- and they did absolutely no good. This last time, he started seeing his health deteriorating and decided himself that he wanted to get off drugs- so he went voluntarily, and was then clean for quite some time. He started saving his money, and rebuilding his life....but it didn't last long- he's back on again.
Some people are just gonna be alcoholics/druggies no matter what. Some can use it recreationally (like cousin) and not have a problem. It's like anything else I suppose....it all depends on you.
The interesting thing is to look at the countries that have legalized drugs- like Portugal- Instead of the place being infested with drugs, like some people would think would happen, the visible, societal effects have instead diminished in such places- just like when we ended alcohol Prohibition, all the crime associated with alcohol disappeared.
People always talk about getting rid of meth. Just legalize the drugs that they really want, and meth would disappear overnight. It's really the "War On Drugs" that has created thjings like meth and crack- just a Prohibition created stills; speak-easies and organized crime involvement in alcohol.
OTJ as usual you make great points. The only thing I can see that you left out is the profits the politians make from this war on drugs. See all the democrats and a lot of republicans want a "safer" place for their kids to grow up. So they look to the politians for laws that will give them the sense that this is going to occur. The politians say hey give us more money to do this this and this yet nothing ever really gets done.
I have been researching Gangs and what makes them so attractive. As I find out more and more gangs are just like our government. The more money they make from drugs the more they try to perpetuate them. The government pays some of these idiots to be informants and they never give up good info they just take the moeny and buy more drugs to sell more drugs then once inna while some one will piss them of and they tell the police there is the king pin. It is just a cycle that never ends. If we just let the drug laws go for a time there iwll be a lot of drugs but then they will drop off sharply. If parents want a safer counrty they need to just stop trying to regulate everything so harshly. Let epopel get a grip and learn to stand up for ones beliefs. BUt then no one belives in anything anymore not really you know. Wow sorry long winded again.

Since: Oct 09

Hart County, KY.

#12 Feb 18, 2011
Snoopy77 wrote:
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OTJ as usual you make great points. The only thing I can see that you left out is the profits the politians make from this war on drugs. See all the democrats and a lot of republicans want a "safer" place for their kids to grow up. So they look to the politians for laws that will give them the sense that this is going to occur. The politians say hey give us more money to do this this and this yet nothing ever really gets done.
I have been researching Gangs and what makes them so attractive. As I find out more and more gangs are just like our government. The more money they make from drugs the more they try to perpetuate them. The government pays some of these idiots to be informants and they never give up good info they just take the moeny and buy more drugs to sell more drugs then once inna while some one will piss them of and they tell the police there is the king pin. It is just a cycle that never ends. If we just let the drug laws go for a time there iwll be a lot of drugs but then they will drop off sharply. If parents want a safer counrty they need to just stop trying to regulate everything so harshly. Let epopel get a grip and learn to stand up for ones beliefs. BUt then no one belives in anything anymore not really you know. Wow sorry long winded again.
Very true!(I can always count on you being the perceptive voice of reason).

You would think by now that it would be obvious to all that this War On Drugs has been nothing but a way of erecting a police state, while accomplishing absolutely nothing positive (In fact, I've never seen more people on drugs)....and instead of dealing with real crime, the fuzz spend 90% of their time messing with druggies- arresting some and then letting them go when they rat-out other druggies (That is, when the police are not busy actually using or selling drugs themselves)....and then they puff their chests out and say "Look at all the people we arrested! We are winning the war on drugs and keeping your little monst...errr...uh children safe!"- and thus they receive more funding next year, while the idiots cheer when their kids have to endure drug-sniffing dogs sniffing their lockers at school, and when they are stopped and illegally searched at unconstitutional roadblocks.

Our government was given very limited powers by the constitution- they were never supposed to dictate what we could and could not possess, or declare that the growing of certain plants is a "crime", or tell us what we may or may not ingest. And like everything else the government tries to do, th drug war has accomplished the very opposite of it's intended purpose- and has created the meth epidemic, as well as having destroyed lives by putting non-violent people in jail and breaking up families and destroying careers- they create a vicious cycle that does far more harm than any drug- and it's all about control and money.

By not demanding that the government limit itself to the duties and obligations specified in the Constitution, we have enabled what the Founders sought to prevent (and what exists in virtually all other countries)- namely, that our government has become nothing but organized crime.

Your analogy to gangs is so appropriate! Just join the state-sponsored gang and you can do exactly what the street gangs do, only with impunity.
get real

Glasgow, KY

#13 Feb 18, 2011
So your suggestion is to just drop the war on drugs because you feel it is a no-win type of situation? That hardly makes good sense. People always get drawn in because the headlines read "Nonviolent drug crimes". Come on now. Junior raised by grandma because the parents were too high and selfish to raise him and he steals from granny to get his high on every week. Granny is afraid of the teen even though he has never threatened her. She knows that he feels like he is entitled to some fun and happiness because of what mommy and daddy didn't do for him all his life and he will get drug money one way or another. Who gets it in the ass? Granny does.

When the meth heads stay awake for days at a time and they take the motor out of your car to have something to do and then can't put it back together again and get frustrated and punch holes in the wall and cuss and scream at everybody they live with...is that not violent? Just ask little brother and sister and they will disagree with you big time.

When Bubba sneaks up to your house in the dead of night and tries to steal everything that isn't nailed down so he can steal some of your belongings to sell for dope...do you think he would fight back if you confronted him on your property at 2am?

There is no such thing as nonviolent drug charges. Always, in the background but a lot of times never reported, violence to get to that next high is always lurking.

Your solution is that if we don't know all the sordid details then they must not be true and if Junior or Bubba doesn't get caught in the act of violence then we should just let him kep doing his thing because we are helpless to stop him?

You are wrong and our children pay for your type of mindset. It's just one more entitlement that the kids nowadays grow up believing. Go ahead and do drugs but don't get caught knocking somebody in the head and stealing their purse to get your dope...and everything is okay.

I call bullshit on that. If you think growing, selling buying and smoking pot is a nonviolent drug crime...you should go live in Mexico or California where people get killed everyday enjoying the process of their so-called entitlement.

Since: Oct 09

Hart County, KY.

#14 Feb 18, 2011
No, I am suggesting we drop the war on drugs because it is antithetical to freedom. Whatever someone chooses to ingest or possess is their business, as long as they didn't steal it.

People commit crimes, like "stealing the motor of your car" for many reasons. Theft is a crime that can and should be prosecuted.

Drug prohibition has CREATED the meth epidemic, by making the cost of other drugs very high and by creating an atmosphere where those who choose to use drugs seek to find ways to obtain them in which they can avoid detection and the necessity of dealing with criminals who will rat them out- so they make their own.

And often, drug users are functional, working people who only resort to crime because of legal expenses incurred by "the war on drugs", and because their lives/careers are often ruined by the state confiscating their property and incarcerating them.

And if you're relying on the war on drugs to keep your kids from doing drugs, then I have some news for you: This has been going on for 40 years now, and drugs are more prevalent now than ever- so I guess if your kids have no morals, they will be using drugs. And if such be the case, then even if they didn't use drugs, they'd be alcoholics and have other issues and moral defects/make bad choices, just as some people always have.

This is the same scenario that was played out with alcohol prohibition....but I guess people don't learn anything from history, because they are ignorant of it.

And the more stringently a country prohibits drugs, the more crime and violence we see as a result of it- just look at Mexico, where they have a virtual police state, and yet one of the highest drug-related crime, violence and murder rates in the world- vs. countries like The Netherlands and Portugal where they have legalized drugs, and have few of those problems- and where things like meth are unknown.

And I guarantee you that if Bubba sneaks up to my house at night, whether to steal to support his drug habit; his alcohol habit or to buy new speakers or a diamond ring for his girlfriend, he will be leaving in a body bag. What has that to do with someone growing a plant and smoking the leaves of it? Or with a med student or disco-goer or Wall St. broker snorting a line of coke?

In fact, if they stopped all this drug nonsense, the fuzz and the courts and the jails would be free to deal with thieves and rapists and such instead of slapping them on the wrist.

All this crime you speak of is a result of drug prohibition- as it did not exist in the days when you could buy cocaine or heroine over the counter at a drug store (And welfare helped it along, too- as we now have people who needn't worry about earning a living and who have a lot of time on their hands which they don't know how to fill)

If you think that your kids will be safer in a police state where the government decides what they may or may not ingest/possess or grow, then perhaps you'd be happier in a totalitarian or communist country where they make no bones about controlling your every action. Those countries still also have drug problems...but at least you'd feel safer and could imagine that your children are safe without destroying everyone's freedom and creating things like meth epidemics by your prohibition.
Barren co guy

Elizabethtown, KY

#15 Feb 18, 2011
Agreed!
Original T Jefferson wrote:
<quoted text>
If the only thing keeping your kids from using drugs is lack of people selling drugs, then your kids are going to take drugs!
If you haven't noticed, we spend BILLIONS of dollars a year on "the war on drugs", and this has been going on for 40 years now, yet drugs are more plentiful now than ever....
So maybe instead of thinking that the state can make up for your lack of parenting by punishing every person who chooses to use drugs, you might want to try raising your kids with some moral values, and restrict their freedoms and actually watch them!
Carl

Cave City, KY

#16 Feb 18, 2011
get real wrote:
So your suggestion is to just drop the war on drugs because you feel it is a no-win type of situation? That hardly makes good sense..
Yes you are right it makes better sense to just keep doing something that doesn't work! And which causes a bunch of other problems. Good thinking!
thats right

Glasgow, KY

#17 Feb 18, 2011
Original T Jefferson wrote:
<quoted text>
If the only thing keeping your kids from using drugs is lack of people selling drugs, then your kids are going to take drugs!
If you haven't noticed, we spend BILLIONS of dollars a year on "the war on drugs", and this has been going on for 40 years now, yet drugs are more plentiful now than ever....
So maybe instead of thinking that the state can make up for your lack of parenting by punishing every person who chooses to use drugs, you might want to try raising your kids with some moral values, and restrict their freedoms and actually watch them!
No, sweetie your wrong.Thats not why my kids are not taking drugs.Notice in the previous statement I said OURS.YOURs included if you have any.I did raise all three of my kids to have morals and broke my back giving them an education.I think my parenting skills were just fine thank you.All of them are grown with jobs and work hard.Never been in any trouble.Thank God.Your judging me and dont have a clue.I have however worked with people that had children thAT WERE on drugs and it was devastating to them.IT destroyed those children AND their familys.Yes druggies should be punished!Put their sorry little tales to work.I mean hard labor.Bring back the chain gang and see how many got off drugs if they had to do some old fashioned thing called WORK!THats one thing our society lacks.BAckbone....I dont blame anyone thing or person for the problem but it will NEVER get any better until we all work together and quit passing the buck on to someone else.I am against drugs totally and all my kids are too so next time get your facts straight before you let that mouth run over.

Since: Oct 09

Hart County, KY.

#18 Feb 18, 2011
thats right wrote:
<quoted text>No, sweetie your wrong.Thats not why my kids are not taking drugs.Notice in the previous statement I said OURS.YOURs included if you have any.I did raise all three of my kids to have morals and broke my back giving them an education.I think my parenting skills were just fine thank you.All of them are grown with jobs and work hard.Never been in any trouble.Thank God.Your judging me and dont have a clue.I have however worked with people that had children thAT WERE on drugs and it was devastating to them.IT destroyed those children AND their familys.Yes druggies should be punished!Put their sorry little tales to work.I mean hard labor.Bring back the chain gang and see how many got off drugs if they had to do some old fashioned thing called WORK!THats one thing our society lacks.BAckbone....I dont blame anyone thing or person for the problem but it will NEVER get any better until we all work together and quit passing the buck on to someone else.I am against drugs totally and all my kids are too so next time get your facts straight before you let that mouth run over.
So those kids were still on drugs...despite the War On Drugs? Apparently it doesn't do anything to keep kids off of drugs then, does it? And even if it did, where in the Constitution does it say that the duty of the government is to keep people from engaging in behaviors that are harmful?

So what is your point? You are in fact proving my point! You raised your kids to do what is right. Others were not so lucky, and apparently all this police-state drug prohibition didn't stop them, did it? But it sure did ruin the lives of a lot of adults.

What's next? Should we put motorcycle riders on chain gangs because their mode of transportation is 42 times more likely to result in their death than driving a car?

Shall we incarcerate people who eat McDonald's?(Some states are already heavily taxing fast food, and dictating how certain items may be cooked)

Outlaw smoking?

So what you are saying is that some guy smoking a doobie in his living room, or snorting coke at a party is somehow a danger to your kids?

I'll tell you what is a danger to our kids: A police state and people like you who advocate putting people on chain gangs because of their actions which did not result in the harming of any other person!

Personally, I hate druggies....but I do not want to see the government oppressing them if they not committing crimes, and I think that the effects of this drug prohibition- such as the meth and crack epidemics, are far worse, and cause more crime than if all drugs were legal and available without penalty to the fools who want them.
ohmeohmy

Glasgow, KY

#19 Feb 18, 2011
Original T Jefferson wrote:
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So those kids were still on drugs...despite the War On Drugs? Apparently it doesn't do anything to keep kids off of drugs then, does it? And even if it did, where in the Constitution does it say that the duty of the government is to keep people from engaging in behaviors that are harmful?
So what is your point? You are in fact proving my point! You raised your kids to do what is right. Others were not so lucky, and apparently all this police-state drug prohibition didn't stop them, did it? But it sure did ruin the lives of a lot of adults.
What's next? Should we put motorcycle riders on chain gangs because their mode of transportation is 42 times more likely to result in their death than driving a car?
Shall we incarcerate people who eat McDonald's?(Some states are already heavily taxing fast food, and dictating how certain items may be cooked)
Outlaw smoking?
So what you are saying is that some guy smoking a doobie in his living room, or snorting coke at a party is somehow a danger to your kids?
I'll tell you what is a danger to our kids: A police state and people like you who advocate putting people on chain gangs because of their actions which did not result in the harming of any other person!
Personally, I hate druggies....but I do not want to see the government oppressing them if they not committing crimes, and I think that the effects of this drug prohibition- such as the meth and crack epidemics, are far worse, and cause more crime than if all drugs were legal and available without penalty to the fools who want them.
Which kids are you referring too?I am not talking about fast food or smoking or anything else.You must NOT have any children of your own.Drugs=Crime.Its a fairly simple thing to figure out if you would pull ur head out of your arse.Crime should and used to be punishable by law.No law or punishment for crime.....What ya thinks gonna happen next?DUH!

Since: Oct 09

Hart County, KY.

#20 Feb 18, 2011
ohmeohmy wrote:
<quoted text>Which kids are you referring too?I am not talking about fast food or smoking or anything else.You must NOT have any children of your own.Drugs=Crime.Its a fairly simple thing to figure out if you would pull ur head out of your arse.Crime should and used to be punishable by law.No law or punishment for crime.....What ya thinks gonna happen next?DUH!
How does someone growing and smoking pot translate into crime?

How does a med student buying some coke constitute crime?

As I said, punish people if and when they commit a crime, such as robbery or burglary.

Do we penalize all drinkers because some may drive drunk or commit a crime to fund their alcohol habit? Again, was there more alcohol-related crime when we had Prohibition or now that we don't have Prohibition?(Look it up if you don't know....)

Did gangsters thrive on alcohol-related enterprises when their was Prohibition or now that there isn't?

Are there stills all over the countryside now that we don't have prohibition?

Sorry, but you don't make sense.

You're not talking about fast food or smoking? Well if the government has the ability to decide what we may ingest and what we may and may not possess, they can control anything and everything...as they are indeed in the process of doing.

Have we had a War On Drugs for 40 years now? Has crime increased or decreased in that time period?

You might notice, that the more money we spend prosecuting drug use, the more crime seems to increase.

Has crime become rampant in the countries that have legalized drugs?(No...quite the opposite)

Look, it is obvious that you can not address these issues- you just blather on about "children" and the idea that "drugs equal crime", when I am showing you that drug prohibition causes crime.

Drug use and or addiction is a personal/family matter, until and if such time as the drug user commits a crime. Do non-drug users ever commit crimes? Do motorcyclists ever commit crimes? Should we outlaw motorcycles because some motorcyclists commit crimes?

Please put some thought into your responses, rather than just echoing the overlords sound-bites about "stopping drugs to keep our children safe".

AGAIN, do they not have drugs in Russia and China and Mexico? So, if we erect a similar police state, as you advocate, and it still will not result in the elimination of drugs, then to what point is it? And even if the erection of a police state would eliminate drugs, would you rather your poor vulnerable children live under such circumstances just to avoid exposure to one of the many pitfalls of the human experience???

THINK!

Since: Oct 09

Hart County, KY.

#22 Feb 18, 2011
apruodhuff wrote:
<quoted text>yer stupid
No, I'm not your kin.

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