Justices to hear arguments on traffic cameras

The Ohio Supreme Court will hear lawyers' arguments Sept. 18 in an Akron woman's challenge of automated traffic speed and red-light camera enforcement systems around the state. Full Story
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OldManGrump

Cleveland, OH

#1 Jul 5, 2007
Why doesn't the State Legislature put this up for a state wide vote of the people? It would lose by 2:1 or better. The traffic cameras are all about the money raised for the cities, not traffic safety.
Living in Sin

Lowellville, OH

#2 Jul 5, 2007
It isn't a statewide issue. It's a local government issue. That's why they won't put it up for a state-wide vote. Local municipalities could put it on the ballot if they wanted to, though.
donnyboy

Bedford, OH

#3 Jul 5, 2007
Mendenhall, the champion of the people, robin hood, wonderboy! He should run for office again,
hopefully for county exec. it is time for honesty in summit county!!
Brittany

Northbrook, IL

#4 Jul 5, 2007
the cameras should be outlawed. i personally received one going 35 in a school zone practically minutes before the restriction would have ended.
Bubba

United States

#5 Jul 5, 2007
Maybe you shouldn't have been speeding Brit. Won't someone please think of the children?
Steve D

Capitan, NM

#6 Jul 5, 2007
What ever happened to the days of actually having a cop there to do the job?
Observation

Avon Lake, OH

#7 Jul 5, 2007
Personally, I don't see a problem with an option of getting a $150 ticket that doesn't go on my driver's record instead of $250 and points.

In EITHER case, I would have been breaking the law instead of going 25MPH.

Since: Mar 07

Akron, OH

#8 Jul 5, 2007
I really don't care about this as long as there is some oversight to insure that those who receive tickets or fines have actually violated the speed limit or ran the red light.

I agree, that a fine with no points is far superior to the alternative.

Since: Apr 07

Akron

#9 Jul 5, 2007
I have noticed that since the advent of the traffic cameras, people tend to slow down a lot more than they used to in school zones. What is even more interesting, is that after the cameras became controversial and were pulled out for awhile, Akron police started leaving empty cop cars along with speed indicators at school zones. Even though no ticketing was going on, traffic always slowed to the correct school zone speed.

Therefore, it would appear that tickets are not necessary -- just some form of visual reminder does the trick. And really people, there is no defense for speeding in a school zone.
Keep your eyes open

Akron, OH

#10 Jul 5, 2007
People of Barberton beware. Rumors is that the City of Barberton is about to drill a gas well on the Tuscora Park property. This is supposedly the same land that was sold to the hospital for "expansion". Does this appear to be expansion or were the people conned?
Kris

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Jul 5, 2007
I don't like the idea of the cameras because they are simply money making machines for poor cities. The other problem with these cameras is that it has changed the classification of speeding from a criminal offense to a civil offense. That is the problem. The cities cannot simply change the classification of a crime in order to raise money for the coffers. I agree that I would rather have no points but the law is clear.
Tommy

Avon Lake, OH

#12 Jul 5, 2007
Kris wrote:
I don't like the idea of the cameras because they are simply money making machines for poor cities. The other problem with these cameras is that it has changed the classification of speeding from a criminal offense to a civil offense. That is the problem. The cities cannot simply change the classification of a crime in order to raise money for the coffers. I agree that I would rather have no points but the law is clear.
Apparently, your interest in keeping folks going 20mph in school zones doesn't play into your concerns. As far a legality, we'll see what the court says rather than rely on your opinions.
Exasperated

United States

#13 Jul 5, 2007
Here's the problem with the "let's curb speeding" argument. Police officers issue tickets to drivers when they catch them speeding. Traffic cameras issue tickets to the vehicle OWNER, regardless of who was behind the wheel - and they do it 30 or more days after the offense! It's like disciplining your cat when your dog makes a mess on your carpet, and waiting two weeks to do it. It could be your idiot brother-in-law who was behind the wheel, but Akron doesn't care - YOU are going to get the ticket, and Akron doesn't give you a way out of it!

Plus, if you can afford to blow $100 a pop (or whatever the ticket costs today - it can change) for every time you want to buzz through a school zone, where's the incentive to slow down?

If the cameras were REALLY about keeping the kids safe, there wouldn't be a 30-day gap between the offense and the ticket's arrival in your mailbox. The tickets should go where they really belong: to the DRIVER who speeded in a school zone. And there should be the same incentive not to speed that the state already has. Namely, the loss of one's license and a whopping increase in one's insurance rates.

And whatever happened to us citizens demanding that our government obey the law too?
Stan

United States

#14 Jul 5, 2007
I wonder how fast you have to go for the cameras to get an unreadable photo?
You Dont Deserve Rights

United States

#15 Jul 5, 2007
Ohio Law requires that if someone is conducting speed/traffic enforcement that they be in a marked car and uniform. They have to witness the event. Attorney Tony Dalayans is correct in wanting money back from these people! Attorney Mendenhill sued to make them illegal per law. Attorney Dlayans sued for money per person. That will stop them from thinking this is o.k.!
Tommy

Avon Lake, OH

#16 Jul 5, 2007
Police officers issue tickets to drivers when they catch them speeding. Traffic cameras issue tickets to the vehicle OWNER, regardless of who was behind the wheel
Which is precisely why it "might" be legal. You are responsible for your car, you know. It also is why you don't get points.
if you can afford to blow $100 a pop (or whatever the ticket costs today
$150 by camera,$250 by cop. Regardless of your income, I don't think many folks appreciate being hit with even $150.
If the cameras were REALLY about keeping the kids safe, there wouldn't be a 30-day gap between the offense and the ticket's arrival in your mailbox.
It's the $150 that's the incentive. And one reason these are a good idea is because our police department is 40 officers short. If we had those 40 officers, maybe I'd feel differently.
And whatever happened to us citizens demanding that our government obey the law too?
That's why it is going to the Supreme Court.
Just my opinion

Akron, OH

#17 Jul 5, 2007
I have mixed fellings on the subject, first if you do the speed limit, then you have no problem, however, I do have a problem with the fact that the owner of the vehicle gets the ticket and not the driver. If my teenager is driving a car regisitered to me.
learn to drive

Westlake, OH

#18 Jul 5, 2007
If you don't speed, then you won't get a ticket. Quit complaining because YOU are doing something wrong. Only YOU can change that.

jal

Since: Apr 07

Wooster, OH

#19 Jul 5, 2007
learn to drive wrote:
If you don't speed, then you won't get a ticket. Quit complaining because YOU are doing something wrong. Only YOU can change that.
Precisely the point, "You" may not be doing anything wrong, but someone that drives your vehicle may and then "you" become responcible for their actions. The same holds true for company vehicles. The employer pays for the employees mistake.
Tommy

Avon Lake, OH

#20 Jul 5, 2007
jal wrote:
<quoted text>
Precisely the point, "You" may not be doing anything wrong, but someone that drives your vehicle may and then "you" become responcible for their actions. The same holds true for company vehicles. The employer pays for the employees mistake.
And I don't see anything wrong with that. The owner of the vehicle shares in its responsibility if they let someone else use it. Whether it's parents/kids, employer/employee, or you/brother-in-law.

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