Bishop says he led gay priest retreat

Bishop says he led gay priest retreat

There are 15 comments on the UnionLeader.com story from Oct 30, 2008, titled Bishop says he led gay priest retreat. In it, UnionLeader.com reports that:

Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson said he led a confidential retreat a few years ago for gay Roman Catholic priests.

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pwatch

Yorktown, VA

#1 Oct 30, 2008
Isn't "gay" linked to "priest" an oxymoron?
Canadian Catholic

Ottawa, Canada

#2 Oct 30, 2008
Yes, it is. But that requires a certain amount of intelligence (and Faith) to discern -- not things that the Episcopal Church is particularly well-known for.

The gospel of the world vs. the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Thanks be to God that there is still at least one Church that prefers the latter to the former.

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#3 Oct 30, 2008
pwatch wrote:
Isn't "gay" linked to "priest" an oxymoron?
No. In the Roman Catholic Church, they're synonymous. Where have you been the past few decades ?!
Kryg

Montgomery, AL

#4 Nov 3, 2008
Daniel,

Excume me, I'm a Catholic priest and I am not gay. Although it's true that there are a number of Catholic priests who are gays, Catholic Church discipline demands gay and hetero priets to live chastely. In the Episcopal church, gays and lesbian priests and priestesses, which are increasing dramatically, are allowed to have their partners to live with them immorally. There is a great differece between a Church that has a rule that demands gay to live moral lives and a Church that gives a blessing to gays who live immoral lives. How can a Church preach morality when it approves immorality among Church leaders?

Kryg

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#5 Nov 3, 2008
Kryg wrote:
Daniel,
Excume me, I'm a Catholic priest and I am not gay. Although it's true that there are a number of Catholic priests who are gays, Catholic Church discipline demands gay and hetero priets to live chastely. In the Episcopal church, gays and lesbian priests and priestesses, which are increasing dramatically, are allowed to have their partners to live with them immorally. There is a great differece between a Church that has a rule that demands gay to live moral lives and a Church that gives a blessing to gays who live immoral lives. How can a Church preach morality when it approves immorality among Church leaders?
Kryg
Just out of curiosity, to change the subject a bit, since you are a priest, can you tell me where the RC Church dreamed up the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception (which was not proclaimed until the 1850's) and the Assumption Of Mary (which was not proclaimed until the 1950's). Just wondering.

PAX !

:)

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#6 Nov 3, 2008
Nevermind. I looked them both up in wikipedia. I'm a proud Protestant and these are 2 reasons that we consider the RCC's teachings to be heresy.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#7 Nov 3, 2008
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
Nevermind. I looked them both up in wikipedia. I'm a proud Protestant and these are 2 reasons that we consider the RCC's teachings to be heresy.
Daniel-

Question and I'm NOT baiting or fishing or whatever they call it on these things.

Understand your disagreement with the two things you mentioned. Protestants don't have to agree with it.

Question is this: How can a faith that allows/promotes private interpretation of scripture declare heresy? If I would be to say that I got my understanding of something based upon my study and interpretation of scripture, I am entitled to that belief, am I not?

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#8 Nov 3, 2008
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Daniel-
Question and I'm NOT baiting or fishing or whatever they call it on these things.
Understand your disagreement with the two things you mentioned. Protestants don't have to agree with it.
Question is this: How can a faith that allows/promotes private interpretation of scripture declare heresy? If I would be to say that I got my understanding of something based upon my study and interpretation of scripture, I am entitled to that belief, am I not?
I have a LOT of complaints against the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Primarily, what gets me EXTREMELY P-I-S-S-E-D off about the RCC is there attempts to pressure public officials into passing laws to impose the RCC's views on everyone, Christians, and non-Christians alike. Case in point: Gay marriage. My denomination, The United Church Of Christ, allows a gay clergy, and gay marriage in the church. Yet the RCC wants public officials to pass laws to conform only to the RCC's views of marriage.

I studied theology in college, and attend church regularly. I believe that the 2 small examples I cited, the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception, and the Assumption, are not supported in any way by Scripture. As official doctrines of the RCC, they are therefore heretical. I do not believe that I am the only Christian, nor only Roman Catholic, to believe that they are heretical. I would venture to say that there are probably a good many RCC officials who also do not believe these dogmas at all.

Look, I am a true believer in Freedom Of Religion, and the First Amendment and I am a strict constructionist when it comes tot he U.S. Constitution (I also studied Constitutional Law in college). So you are certainly free to have any religious beliefs that you wish and I certainly do not want to deny you that.

But the RCC CROSSES THE LINE when they attempt to impose their narrow views on other Christians, and non-Christians, by pressuring public officials to pass laws to conform with the RCC's narrow, and wrong, views.

If the RCC doesn't believe in gay marriage, then fine. Don't perform any in your churches. But do not pressure elected officials to deny the recognition of these marriages, performed in Protestant churches, and the houses of worship of other faiths, or just civil gay marriages, just because you don't like it.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#9 Nov 3, 2008
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
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I have a LOT of complaints against the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Primarily, what gets me EXTREMELY P-I-S-S-E-D off about the RCC is there attempts to pressure public officials into passing laws to impose the RCC's views on everyone, Christians, and non-Christians alike. Case in point: Gay marriage. My denomination, The United Church Of Christ, allows a gay clergy, and gay marriage in the church. Yet the RCC wants public officials to pass laws to conform only to the RCC's views of marriage.
I studied theology in college, and attend church regularly. I believe that the 2 small examples I cited, the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception, and the Assumption, are not supported in any way by Scripture. As official doctrines of the RCC, they are therefore heretical. I do not believe that I am the only Christian, nor only Roman Catholic, to believe that they are heretical. I would venture to say that there are probably a good many RCC officials who also do not believe these dogmas at all.
Look, I am a true believer in Freedom Of Religion, and the First Amendment and I am a strict constructionist when it comes tot he U.S. Constitution (I also studied Constitutional Law in college). So you are certainly free to have any religious beliefs that you wish and I certainly do not want to deny you that.
But the RCC CROSSES THE LINE when they attempt to impose their narrow views on other Christians, and non-Christians, by pressuring public officials to pass laws to conform with the RCC's narrow, and wrong, views.
If the RCC doesn't believe in gay marriage, then fine. Don't perform any in your churches. But do not pressure elected officials to deny the recognition of these marriages, performed in Protestant churches, and the houses of worship of other faiths, or just civil gay marriages, just because you don't like it.
Certainly, you don't believe that the Catholic Church is the only Christian church to oppose homosexual marriage? I assure you that you will get a fistful of scripture asserting claims against gay marriage from any number of Protestants. They are heretics too?

I'm quite sure that those who spearhead the Evangelical political lobbies are Protestant in the majority.

Catholics are opposed to it. Catholics are voters- their beliefs in opposition are valid (to them); you would not enjoin them from voting.

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#10 Nov 3, 2008
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Certainly, you don't believe that the Catholic Church is the only Christian church to oppose homosexual marriage? I assure you that you will get a fistful of scripture asserting claims against gay marriage from any number of Protestants. They are heretics too?
I'm quite sure that those who spearhead the Evangelical political lobbies are Protestant in the majority.
Catholics are opposed to it. Catholics are voters- their beliefs in opposition are valid (to them); you would not enjoin them from voting.
What I am saying is that the RCC officals, Archbishops and other officials, put pressure on elected public officials to pass laws to conform to the RCC's religious views. Certainly I am aware that most Protestant churches also do not suppport gay marriage.

But that should not prevent governmental recognition of those marriages performed by ministers of other religious groups, some Protestant, such as The United Church Of Christ, from being officially recognized as valid.

The entire reason for having so many denominations in Christendom, is because Christians cannot agree on everything.

And if a Hindu, or Buddhist, who belong to religions that do NOT believe in Yahweh, The Creator Of All Things, wish to bless gay marriages performed in their houses of worship, why should the RCC's views prevail in preventing governmental recognition of that ?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#11 Nov 4, 2008
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
<quoted text>
What I am saying is that the RCC officals, Archbishops and other officials, put pressure on elected public officials to pass laws to conform to the RCC's religious views. Certainly I am aware that most Protestant churches also do not suppport gay marriage.
But that should not prevent governmental recognition of those marriages performed by ministers of other religious groups, some Protestant, such as The United Church Of Christ, from being officially recognized as valid.
The entire reason for having so many denominations in Christendom, is because Christians cannot agree on everything.
And if a Hindu, or Buddhist, who belong to religions that do NOT believe in Yahweh, The Creator Of All Things, wish to bless gay marriages performed in their houses of worship, why should the RCC's views prevail in preventing governmental recognition of that ?
As in other situations where issues like this collide with religious beliefs, the voting public, which is comprised of people on both sides, will decide. You can't really ask or reasonably expect them to discount their beliefs at the ballot box (either way).
Dan

Omaha, NE

#12 Nov 4, 2008
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
<quoted text>
What I am saying is that the RCC officals, Archbishops and other officials, put pressure on elected public officials to pass laws to conform to the RCC's religious views. Certainly I am aware that most Protestant churches also do not suppport gay marriage.
But that should not prevent governmental recognition of those marriages performed by ministers of other religious groups, some Protestant, such as The United Church Of Christ, from being officially recognized as valid.
The entire reason for having so many denominations in Christendom, is because Christians cannot agree on everything.
And if a Hindu, or Buddhist, who belong to religions that do NOT believe in Yahweh, The Creator Of All Things, wish to bless gay marriages performed in their houses of worship, why should the RCC's views prevail in preventing governmental recognition of that ?
Why do you persist in giving protestant churches a 'pass' on their very public opposition to gay marriage, and instead promote the view that this opposition is held by the RCC alone ("why should the RCC's views prevail....")?

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#13 Nov 4, 2008
I am not saying that ALL Protestant churches approve of gay marriage. But some DO, Such as the Episcopal Church, The United Church Of Christ, the Unitarians, and others. But the RCC seems to be the most active in trying to impose THEIR beliefs on others, Catholics, and NON-Catholics alike.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#14 Nov 4, 2008
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
I am not saying that ALL Protestant churches approve of gay marriage. But some DO, Such as the Episcopal Church, The United Church Of Christ, the Unitarians, and others. But the RCC seems to be the most active in trying to impose THEIR beliefs on others, Catholics, and NON-Catholics alike.
Have the churches you mentioned come out with any public statements or statements from the pulpit one way or the other concerning the legislation?

If so, are they not "guilty" of promulgating their beliefs and influencing the votes of their congregants in the same manner as the RCC?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#15 Nov 4, 2008
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
I am not saying that ALL Protestant churches approve of gay marriage. But some DO, Such as the Episcopal Church, The United Church Of Christ, the Unitarians, and others. But the RCC seems to be the most active in trying to impose THEIR beliefs on others, Catholics, and NON-Catholics alike.
The RCC has taken an active stance on the matter, true. Were they have taken the opposite view (one that would agree with your churches views), would you then take the same dim view of their insistence in their acting on their own beliefs? Or is it their difference of opinion and organization that is most vexing to you?

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