Union Vs. Non-Union
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#1 Aug 28, 2009
Dad was a Union man. I'm a Union man. I have no complaints. Lets have a decent discussion on this!
#2 Aug 28, 2009
Union all the way! When Trumka came into power though, seems like the union lost its power and influence.
#3 Aug 28, 2009
I have worked Union and non-union, I prefer Union, because the union workers are treated much better, there is some type of job security against being fired just because they don't like the way that you look and the union also makes them keep a safe work enviorment. So yes I am PRO UNION!
#4 Aug 28, 2009
If Alpha had been Union they would not have been able to shit on a lot of Men.
#5 Aug 28, 2009
My father was union all the way, he got laid off and the company who "just cared about him so much" didn't even so much as call and say, hey there fellow union brother are you and your wife and new baby starving yet? Is there somthing we can do? Yes they care about you so much while your working for them and paying the dues, that happened when I was a baby and he never went back to union.
Being union doesn't have a promise of job security nor does it secure safety on a job site. Safety is up to you,the worker, and the other workers,supervisors,mine inspectors and all the rest that has nothing to do with if they're union or not.
I know plenty of men who can't get a job back into the union because it's almost time for them to reach the time for them to be able to retire and nobody will give them a job and let them get their time in because they're ready to retire and draw their retirement they've paid into.
Also being union does mean you can be fired if they don't like the way you look that's the exact reason some don't fool with union because plenty have been fired because they want someone else in their place and most of that falls into experience and people getting their time in.
I'm not union nor will I ever be, my experiences with them have only been bad.
You union men I wish you luck in your retirement and getting your time in.
#6 Aug 28, 2009
The union only protects lazy people who only do just enough to get by because they know you can't fire them cause they'll just call their union rep.
Back years ago when my Grandpa worked in the mines I am sure the union was a great thing, UMWA and the Democrats cared about the working man, but today it is very different. Unions only hurt businesses because they protect lazy people and tye the hands of bosses to fire them. As far as democrates well just look at your President!!!! Need I say more!!!! Democrates used to care about the working man just like the union, now it is a joke! Democrates stand for every immoral thing I can think of from abortion to giving Gays equal rights and allowing them to be married. I may be registered as a Democrat but I have never voted for any Democrat president, lets just say I am a Republican at heart!!!!
#7 Aug 28, 2009
I've always worked union. Never had any complaints. I'm retired now woth benefits and medical. I am Proud to have worked and always be a union man. As far as the union dues go, I got them back the first time I recieved my pension check, and then some. Thanks U.M.W.A for everything. I'm not going to talk about non-union people because what they do is their own business. I just wish the union had more members these days.
#8 Aug 28, 2009
God Bless what's left of the UMWA!! You don't know how good you've got it, until it's gone!!!
Think of what the organizers endured during their quest to organize the miner's union. Lest we forget!! Your UMWA medical card is gold.
Just wait, if the new Pres. gets his way (along with the backdoor czars - unelected people who have been given control by the Pres.), you'll be working for the govt. Wow, you think your present employer is tough??? Just wait.
#9 Aug 28, 2009
I am sure the union would as far as mines goes but like someone else said they won't hire anyone after they have worked so many years. They don't want them to retire with the benefits. Example, my father only liked a few years getting his medical card. They won't hire you when you are that close to getting it. I do think it is a wonderful thing for the ones blessed to get it but there are a lot out there that almost made it and was cheated out of it as well! And as for my generation well there is no hope that our miners will ever get enough years in union. Shame!!!
#10 Aug 28, 2009
Sponsors to Date:
American Electric Equipment
Anderson Eqiupment Company
Appalachian Paving & Aggregrate, LLC
B.W.B. Enterprise, Inc.
Belo Mine Supply, Inc.
Brake Supply Company, Inc.
Buchanan Pump Service & Supply
Bucyrus International, Inc.
C W Electric, Inc.
Cecil I. Walker Machinery
Coalfield Services Inc.
Coal Mining Our Future
Color Copy Express
Cummins Crosspoint, LLC
Eastern States Mine Supply
Elite Coal Services
FloMin Coal Inc.
Guyan Heavy Equipment, Inc.
Highland Machinery Corporation
Holden Machine & Fabrication
Industrial Supply Solutions
International Coal Group
International Resource Partners
J.H. Fletcher & Co.
Jackson Kelly, PLLC
Jones Oil Company
Joy Mining Machinery
Kentucky Coal Association
King’s Tire Service, Inc.
Limestone Dust Corporation
Logan County Commission
M & S Hydraulics, Inc.
Massey Energy Company
Mate Creek Trucking
Mayo Manufacturing Company
Medford Trucking, LLC
Mine Lifeline, LLC
Mingo County Commission
Mingo County Redevelopment Authority
Mining Repair Specialists
Monk Mining Supply, Inc.
Murray Energy Corporation
Nelson Brothers, LLC
P & A Engineers
Peerless Block & Brick Co.
Petroleum Products, Inc.
Pyott Boone Electronics
Raleigh Mine and Industrial Supply
Rogers Petroleum Services
RIO Group, Inc.
Richard H. Abraham
Rish Equipment Company
Rudd Equipment Co.
Science & Public Policy Institute
Service Pump & Supply Co.
Southern Coal Corporation, A Justice Company
State Electric Supply Co.
Superior Coal Services, LLC
Sycom Technologies, Inc.
The Cline Group
Tire Centers Inc.
Twin Energy Contracting
United Central Ind. Supply
West Virginia Automobile and Truck Dealers Association
West Virginia Beverage Association
West Virginia Business Roundtable
West Virginia Chamber of Commerce
West Virginia Coal Association
West Virginia Forestry Association
West Virginia Oil and Natural Gas Association
West Virginia Oil Marketers and Grocers Association
Whayne Supply Company
Wright Concrete Construction
Young Brothers Machine
CAN YOU SAY [email protected] MASSEY A$$ LMAO
#11 Aug 31, 2009
I agree 100%
#12 Aug 31, 2009
I sure wish we could go back union.
#13 Sep 27, 2009
I used to be strong union, but when Cecil Roberts go through with us in the 1988 Massey sell-out contract I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. He and Truka sat in the union hall and raised their hands and swore before God they wouldn't sign anything behind our backs. They lied. They sold our jobs, hospital card, and retirement time we had built up, and by the time we found out about it we were already standing on the street. I lost my 9 years, and since I was 50, I could never get another union job because they don't want to be responsible for your retirement benefits. Trumka and Roberts flew back to Washington and told us as far as they were concerned we no longer existed. This is your big U.M.W.A.
#14 Sep 27, 2009
What the hell does this mean?? I know for a fact that some of these you've listed are massey competitors! What the hell are you trying to say?
#15 Sep 27, 2009
That was everyone who sponsored the rally. I guess they posted the names to make everyone think they were not a Massey owned company or competitors, LMAO
#16 Sep 27, 2009
IRP isn't owned by Massey.
#17 Sep 27, 2009
I know how you feel, nemesis. My job was "bargained" off in 1990. It was a gut-wrenching feeling the last day I received my last check from the union. I worked in the union in the 80's. I was there when we voted Trumka in as president. Being as he was pretty educated, I thought he might be a good prospect. Boy, was I deceived. The Trumka-Roberts machine pretty much destroyed the greatest union that ever was. It became weaker and weaker as the 80's progressed. You never saw union organizers anymore after the 88 coal strike. Me and many other guys lost our jobs when a so-called agreement was reached in 1990. The union, literally, bargained our jobs off, and we had no vote or say-so over what the higher ups agreed on. What they agreed on was final, and we were shafted. I figure Roberts will finish off what is left of the union. My blood runs union red, but under the Trumka- Roberts regime, its credibility has been destroyed. I love the union for what it used to be, but now, the coal companies just buy off those whom we put our trust in for leadership.It's a shame that blood, sacrifice, and lives have been given up for nothing now.
#18 Sep 28, 2009
Purple- I know the gut wrenching feeling you're talking about, you got it right after we did at the former Leslie and McInnis mines in 1988. In the 1985 Massey strike they sent a bunch down to Marrowbone and they shot up the offices and trains there. They agreed to let our mines go scab if Massey would drop the charges there. Theyn say it's all in the agreement they signed, but they had a judge seal the records so nobody can ever see it. There's a lot of us who wish we'd never heard of the Trumka-Roberts-Banovic team.
#19 Sep 29, 2009
I was raised on a miner's pay and currently I have 20 years underground. My grandfather worked 41 years for Island Creek, and my dad worked for them for a while but when the industry fell apart in the 80's, he took whatever he could to survive, since he had two children and a wife at home to provide for. I know firsthand the pros and cons of both union and non union issues. The union is to blame for their own demise. It used to be that when the union called a strike, everything stopped including the trains. I worked in a union mine in the early 90's as a bolt man. There was a strike up near Hobet, and we worked right through it. It later was termed by the union as a selective strike. It was my opinion that the strike was useless seeing many union men were suffering for nothing. I later worked at another union mine as a bolt man. It really confused me in that one was in the union and one was not. My question is how does either situation accomplish anything? Union folks have many benefits and features that will protect their jobs. That leads to abuse of those features in some cases. I currently am a foreman and men are based on their job performance. The bottom line is that a coal miner produces coal. If the unon would focus more on that issue, rather than striking over no soap or water then things may be different. A coal mine must produce coal as safely as possible. Last year my mine was the LEAST FINED in the district. Yes it is a non union mine. The safety issue is up to each individual, not the union. Don't get me wrong, I do feel that the union is a good thing but need to re-direct their focus. The union is in trouble financially that is why they support the president's healthcare plan, it will allow them to ditch their retired men on the public option thus saving them millions.They are just as "dirty" as the companies they are constantly downgrading.
#20 Oct 1, 2009
As far as the UMWA, you can go out with a bang or a whimper, and the union chose the latter. In the 85' Massey strike they put their tails between their legs and ran from Don Blankenship. All their tough talk turned out to be hot air and no substance. The union has gone down hill ever since.
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