Why satanism fails....although it has...

Why satanism fails....although it has good parts, it's a reactionary

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Cookie_Parker

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#1 Dec 6, 2012
philosophy and offers nothing of anything new and creative.

I have to agree with this blogger

http://www.franciscan-anglican.com/Not_A_Sata...

1. Satanism is Reactionary

The fact is, the best philosophies are developed out of the embrace of something positive, not out of reaction to something negative. But Satanism is overwhelmingly reactionary. The “reactionary factor” is evident even in the name of “Satanism.” Satanism is a reaction to the hypocritical, stupid, tired, weak, boring, failings of mainstream philosophies and religions. Rather than developing concepts intrinsic to itself, Satanism gathers its strength and power by feeding off of the weaknesses and failings of other systems of thought. The great pitfall with this is that Satanism can only be as strong as that which it reacts to. Like the Radical Protestants whose power and persuasion relied solely on the evils of Roman Catholicism and later died when the Roman Catholics got their act together, Satanism depends on the ignorance and stupidity of modern Christianity and other white light religions.

If you don’t think Satanism is reactionary, just read a few Satanists’ websites. Many of the authors sound like enraged frustrated teenagers who need a target to pin their angst on and need one now. Satanism provides them an outlet. There are exceptions to this rule, but this is the general attitude I’ve observed.



2. Satanism is Mainly Rhetoric

Related to Satanism being reactionary, Satanism is “philosophy light” and “rhetoric heavy.” Anton LaVey’s greatest skill was that of a rhetorician. Satanism, if one scratches much beyond the surface, proves to be intellectually shallow. There’s just not a lot to it. My gut reaction to the SB was,“It’s Dale Carnegie’s How to Win Friends and Influence People with an ‘evil’ twist and a large dose of Friederich Nietzsche thrown in. Satanism gets people motivated, excited, and impassioned…like all good rhetoric. But in the end, it’s not intellectually satisfying as a philosophy in its own right.



3. Satanism is too Dependent on Emotion and Human Ego

Just like Satanism’s forerunners, existentialism and gnosticism, Satanism’s main target is the human ego. Most people are drawn and remain committed to Satanism because it feeds their ego. If you’re told that you’re special or elite or some other warm fuzzy idea when you embrace a philosophy, then you’re more apt to buy into it and be blind to its shortcomings. Satanists thrive on the idea that they’re somehow “the few, the brave, and the proud.” In fact, Satanism uses the same rhetoric that the US Military and religious cults use to win and keep the loyalty of their followers. If your ego needs to be flattered and this need is met in Satanism, then your ability to be rational and have intellectual clarity has been short circuited on some level. This is the problem with all “feel-good” philosophies and religions. Like a habit one can’t give up, people become dependent on the stroking of their ego and critical thought is sacrificed.



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Certainly is reflected in Pagan and others who claim to be Anton LaVay satanists.

Cookie_Parker

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#2 Dec 6, 2012
4. Satanism Misunderstands Independence

People need people. Many of us wish it weren’t so because people have let us down, but the fact is, no man is an island. Satanists’ claim of godhood denies this fact which is fundamental and necessary to humanity. This is one area where Satanists seem unable to face reality effectively. While individuals do in fact have much more power and potential than most ever acknowledge or realize, no one is independently god or independently powerful. In fact, you can only attain power if people give it to you. And when I say people need people, I don’t just mean in terms of their usefulness, I mean people need the support and care of others. Babies will die if they receive no loving affection, and adults are no different. We all depend on others if we are going to be healthy and productive. Making independent claims of divinity, while it feels good, feeds one’s ego, and has some self-empowering results, leads to a denial of that reality. And denying reality is always a pitfall; those that consistently deny reality will eventually find themselves powerless.



5. Satan is an Unworthy Symbol

When Satanism was developed in the 1950’s and 1960’s in “Christian America,” calling it Satanism had more power and punch because people’s image of Satan was more heterogeneous, ridiculous, and stereotypical. Post the 1960’s hippie movement however, people are more clued in to what Satanists are saying and the title no longer carries the same impact on people (with the possible exception of Christian fundamentalists). That which is based on shock eventually becomes mundane. The Black Mass, for example, has become expected and uninteresting…no longer the subject of newspaper articles or “scandal.” Once again we see that Satanism, by being a purely reactionary philosophy, is dependent on the weaknesses of other systems of thought, or, in the case of the name, on the ridiculous stereotypes people hold of Satan.

And here is where I hold sympathies for Satanists. When “Satan” no longer shocks, one of the most “interesting” aspects of Satanism is lost. Satanism actually needs to grow into larger boots. I think if Anton LaVey were alive today he’d realize his short sightedness. Satanism needs to have the flexibility to change with the times. As our world grows more and more secular, Satanists will be left holding yet one more tired, reactionary philosophy.

I would add that “Satan” has already been given a thorough definition by the world which is not entirely in accord with the Satanist’s definition of Satan. Rather than merely redefining and recreating a “Satan” to one’s own liking as La Vey did, a more appropriate symbol should by chosen. Simple! Obvious!

Cookie_Parker

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#3 Dec 6, 2012
But my favorite point of this blogger is this.

http://www.franciscan-anglican.com/Not_A_Sata...

6. Satanism Depends on False Caricatures of Religion

One of my continual complaints against LaVey and Satanists is that they thrive and make Satanism appear superior to all religions by simply mis-characterizing religious traditions through deliberate false descriptions and caricatures. One tactic often employed is simply to take the mistakes or radical extremes of religion that religious traditions have already denounced and hold those up as the "true" description of such traditions. What fool(s) would follow an anti-human, hypocritical, self-hating paths? And yet, according to Satanism, all religious traditions that have flourished throughout the millennia have nothing more to offer than such folly. LaVey wrote, "Most traditional religions have little or nothing to do with reality, are dependent on obfuscation, interpretation, guilt, and unreasoning faith - some more than others." Aren't we lucky we have the "enlightened" Satanists to tell us the way it really is?



7. Satanism's Self-Delusions

By setting itself over and above all religious thought, Satanism claims to be the pinnacle of thought that sees through all the 'mistakes' of religion and offers the corrective. It ignores and eschews the wisdom of the religious sages and prophets of the ages in favor of it's own 20th century philosophical underpinnings. Like all fundamentalist and extremist groups, Satanism claims to consist of the elite who alone have attained an "enlightenment" in contrast to the "blind and dumb" masses who surround them. Satanists claim to be gods, to be "their own God." Essentially, Satanists have a superiority complex. One Satanist named "Warlock" wrote, "The point is, Satanists are superior. We deserve the best. Period....We need to create a elite utopian community, and weed out all of the worthless slobs who dare try to be one of our kind. Destroy them all, and we will have a world full of Pretty Satanists."

Such an elitist position (for any group) requires an amazing amount of self-deception, delusion, deliberate misunderstanding, and the perpetuation of such misunderstanding among its proponents. Upon reading Satanist propaganda it is clear just how far such delusions will go: "I am a Satanist! Bown down, for I am the highest embodiment of Human life!" (LaVey).

Sorry Anton, but I'm not buying what you're selling.

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It's absolutely exposed...no more secrets about what pagan and other satanists believe and why they attack Christians....we now know....we have been informed....

“Mean Pagan Narcissist ”

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Since: Oct 09

Leiden, Netherlands

#4 Dec 6, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
But my favorite point of this blogger is this.
http://www.franciscan-anglican.com/Not_A_Sata...
6. Satanism Depends on False Caricatures of Religion
One of my continual complaints against LaVey and Satanists is that they thrive and make Satanism appear superior to all religions by simply mis-characterizing religious traditions through deliberate false descriptions and caricatures. One tactic often employed is simply to take the mistakes or radical extremes of religion that religious traditions have already denounced and hold those up as the "true" description of such traditions. What fool(s) would follow an anti-human, hypocritical, self-hating paths? And yet, according to Satanism, all religious traditions that have flourished throughout the millennia have nothing more to offer than such folly. LaVey wrote, "Most traditional religions have little or nothing to do with reality, are dependent on obfuscation, interpretation, guilt, and unreasoning faith - some more than others." Aren't we lucky we have the "enlightened" Satanists to tell us the way it really is?
7. Satanism's Self-Delusions
By setting itself over and above all religious thought, Satanism claims to be the pinnacle of thought that sees through all the 'mistakes' of religion and offers the corrective. It ignores and eschews the wisdom of the religious sages and prophets of the ages in favor of it's own 20th century philosophical underpinnings. Like all fundamentalist and extremist groups, Satanism claims to consist of the elite who alone have attained an "enlightenment" in contrast to the "blind and dumb" masses who surround them. Satanists claim to be gods, to be "their own God." Essentially, Satanists have a superiority complex. One Satanist named "Warlock" wrote, "The point is, Satanists are superior. We deserve the best. Period....We need to create a elite utopian community, and weed out all of the worthless slobs who dare try to be one of our kind. Destroy them all, and we will have a world full of Pretty Satanists."
Such an elitist position (for any group) requires an amazing amount of self-deception, delusion, deliberate misunderstanding, and the perpetuation of such misunderstanding among its proponents. Upon reading Satanist propaganda it is clear just how far such delusions will go: "I am a Satanist! Bown down, for I am the highest embodiment of Human life!" (LaVey).
Sorry Anton, but I'm not buying what you're selling.
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It's absolutely exposed...no more secrets about what pagan and other satanists believe and why they attack Christians....we now know....we have been informed....
A blog? [email protected] Kooky

How many times have you ridiculed others for posting info from blogs as accurate information?

If you want to learn about satanism then ask a satanist not some stupid blogger.

This is the best website on satanism.
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/index.html...

Now what was it you were saying about me being emotional? Yet you keep making threads about satanism because you're all butt hurt over my posts which you cannot prove to be wrong.

“Mean Pagan Narcissist ”

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Leiden, Netherlands

#5 Dec 6, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
But my favorite point of this blogger is this.
http://www.franciscan-anglican.com/Not_A_Sata...
6. Satanism Depends on False Caricatures of Religion
One of my continual complaints against LaVey and Satanists is that they thrive and make Satanism appear superior to all religions by simply mis-characterizing religious traditions through deliberate false descriptions and caricatures. One tactic often employed is simply to take the mistakes or radical extremes of religion that religious traditions have already denounced and hold those up as the "true" description of such traditions. What fool(s) would follow an anti-human, hypocritical, self-hating paths? And yet, according to Satanism, all religious traditions that have flourished throughout the millennia have nothing more to offer than such folly. LaVey wrote, "Most traditional religions have little or nothing to do with reality, are dependent on obfuscation, interpretation, guilt, and unreasoning faith - some more than others." Aren't we lucky we have the "enlightened" Satanists to tell us the way it really is?
7. Satanism's Self-Delusions
By setting itself over and above all religious thought, Satanism claims to be the pinnacle of thought that sees through all the 'mistakes' of religion and offers the corrective. It ignores and eschews the wisdom of the religious sages and prophets of the ages in favor of it's own 20th century philosophical underpinnings. Like all fundamentalist and extremist groups, Satanism claims to consist of the elite who alone have attained an "enlightenment" in contrast to the "blind and dumb" masses who surround them. Satanists claim to be gods, to be "their own God." Essentially, Satanists have a superiority complex. One Satanist named "Warlock" wrote, "The point is, Satanists are superior. We deserve the best. Period....We need to create a elite utopian community, and weed out all of the worthless slobs who dare try to be one of our kind. Destroy them all, and we will have a world full of Pretty Satanists."
Such an elitist position (for any group) requires an amazing amount of self-deception, delusion, deliberate misunderstanding, and the perpetuation of such misunderstanding among its proponents. Upon reading Satanist propaganda it is clear just how far such delusions will go: "I am a Satanist! Bown down, for I am the highest embodiment of Human life!" (LaVey).
Sorry Anton, but I'm not buying what you're selling.
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It's absolutely exposed...no more secrets about what pagan and other satanists believe and why they attack Christians....we now know....we have been informed....
Where is his proof? He makes a lot of claims without offering a shred of proof.

We consider ourselves to be an advancement in human evolution. The alien elite.
Can your blog prove that were are not?
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“Mean Pagan Narcissist ”

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Since: Oct 09

Leiden, Netherlands

#7 Dec 6, 2012
Christians claim that they are children of a magical king who lives up in the sky.
And you think we're crazy?

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#8 Dec 6, 2012
paganbirdkeeper666 wrote:
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A blog? [email protected] Kooky
How many times have you ridiculed others for posting info from blogs as accurate information?
If you want to learn about satanism then ask a satanist not some stupid blogger.
This is the best website on satanism.
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/index.html...
Now what was it you were saying about me being emotional? Yet you keep making threads about satanism because you're all butt hurt over my posts which you cannot prove to be wrong.
Not just a blog...a former member of the Anton LaVay school for satanists..with inside information. It's like a testimony.

I notice you conveniently don't discount all this blogger says...and it really fits into you and your discussions here quite well.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#9 Dec 6, 2012
paganbirdkeeper666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is his proof? He makes a lot of claims without offering a shred of proof.
We consider ourselves to be an advancement in human evolution. The alien elite.
Can your blog prove that were are not?
His proof is the fact he USED to be a Satanist in the School of Satan of Anton LaVay....that's his proof.

And he at least validates YOUR posting and how you attack Christians...

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#10 Dec 6, 2012
paganbirdkeeper666 wrote:
Christians claim that they are children of a magical king who lives up in the sky.
And you think we're crazy?
YOu never created an original thought in Satanism. And there are these insights which this former member of Anton LaVay's Satanism offers, as well that you depict.

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4. Satanism Misunderstands Independence

People need people. Many of us wish it weren’t so because people have let us down, but the fact is, no man is an island. Satanists’ claim of godhood denies this fact which is fundamental and necessary to humanity. This is one area where Satanists seem unable to face reality effectively. While individuals do in fact have much more power and potential than most ever acknowledge or realize, no one is independently god or independently powerful. In fact, you can only attain power if people give it to you. And when I say people need people, I don’t just mean in terms of their usefulness, I mean people need the support and care of others. Babies will die if they receive no loving affection, and adults are no different. We all depend on others if we are going to be healthy and productive. Making independent claims of divinity, while it feels good, feeds one’s ego, and has some self-empowering results, leads to a denial of that reality. And denying reality is always a pitfall; those that consistently deny reality will eventually find themselves powerless.

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You only have power you are given...you are not powerful unto yourself.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#11 Dec 6, 2012
7. Satanism's Self-Delusions

By setting itself over and above all religious thought, Satanism claims to be the pinnacle of thought that sees through all the 'mistakes' of religion and offers the corrective. It ignores and eschews the wisdom of the religious sages and prophets of the ages in favor of it's own 20th century philosophical underpinnings. Like all fundamentalist and extremist groups, Satanism claims to consist of the elite who alone have attained an "enlightenment" in contrast to the "blind and dumb" masses who surround them. Satanists claim to be gods, to be "their own God." Essentially, Satanists have a superiority complex. One Satanist named "Warlock" wrote, "The point is, Satanists are superior. We deserve the best. Period....We need to create a elite utopian community, and weed out all of the worthless slobs who dare try to be one of our kind. Destroy them all, and we will have a world full of Pretty Satanists."

Such an elitist position (for any group) requires an amazing amount of self-deception, delusion, deliberate misunderstanding, and the perpetuation of such misunderstanding among its proponents. Upon reading Satanist propaganda it is clear just how far such delusions will go: "I am a Satanist! Bown down, for I am the highest embodiment of Human life!" (LaVey).

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Bottomline from the blogger here.

http://www.franciscan-anglican.com/Not_A_Sata...

This is a true statement of satanists of the LaVay School of Satanism....delusioned with creating what they want Christians to be.

“Mean Pagan Narcissist ”

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Leiden, Netherlands

#12 Dec 6, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Not just a blog...a former member of the Anton LaVay school for satanists..with inside information. It's like a testimony.
I notice you conveniently don't discount all this blogger says...and it really fits into you and your discussions here quite well.
There is no Anton LaVey School For Satanists, you moron. There is only The Church of Satan.

She is a fraud. She does not even have a place on her blog where people can leave comments or message her. That is a big red flag which signifies a fake. Go to my blog or my channels and you will find that I allow comments. That is because I am not a fake ass poser.

I am a VIP member of The United Satanic Empire. I believe that I have more inside information than she does.I have talked with people such as Stanton LaVey,Vexen Crabtree, Rev,Jack Winters,Zack Black and Rev.Tamas Murray.
Rev.Jack and Tamas Murray are personal close friends of mine.

“Mean Pagan Narcissist ”

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Leiden, Netherlands

#13 Dec 6, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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His proof is the fact he USED to be a Satanist in the School of Satan of Anton LaVay....that's his proof.
And he at least validates YOUR posting and how you attack Christians...
He is a she. You did no research on that creature to find out if she were credible. You just scanned the net for anything that bashed satanists.

I posted the truth about your Christmas holiday. You have yet to prove that I'm wrong about that. If you call posting facts bashing then you're one fcked up bitch.
Of course facts are not anything you would be familiar with consider the bogus info that you post.

“Mean Pagan Narcissist ”

Level 8

Since: Oct 09

Leiden, Netherlands

#14 Dec 6, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
7. Satanism's Self-Delusions
By setting itself over and above all religious thought, Satanism claims to be the pinnacle of thought that sees through all the 'mistakes' of religion and offers the corrective. It ignores and eschews the wisdom of the religious sages and prophets of the ages in favor of it's own 20th century philosophical underpinnings. Like all fundamentalist and extremist groups, Satanism claims to consist of the elite who alone have attained an "enlightenment" in contrast to the "blind and dumb" masses who surround them. Satanists claim to be gods, to be "their own God." Essentially, Satanists have a superiority complex. One Satanist named "Warlock" wrote, "The point is, Satanists are superior. We deserve the best. Period....We need to create a elite utopian community, and weed out all of the worthless slobs who dare try to be one of our kind. Destroy them all, and we will have a world full of Pretty Satanists."
Such an elitist position (for any group) requires an amazing amount of self-deception, delusion, deliberate misunderstanding, and the perpetuation of such misunderstanding among its proponents. Upon reading Satanist propaganda it is clear just how far such delusions will go: "I am a Satanist! Bown down, for I am the highest embodiment of Human life!" (LaVey).
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Bottomline from the blogger here.
http://www.franciscan-anglican.com/Not_A_Sata...
This is a true statement of satanists of the LaVay School of Satanism....delusioned with creating what they want Christians to be.
Really? and Christians claiming that they're the only true religion and that their god is the only true god,isn't elitist?
What about saying they're the children of the most high king and that they see with spiritual eyes?
What a hypocrite you are. At least we satanists remain within the realms of reality.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#15 Dec 7, 2012
paganbirdkeeper666 wrote:
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Really? and Christians claiming that they're the only true religion and that their god is the only true god,isn't elitist?
What about saying they're the children of the most high king and that they see with spiritual eyes?
What a hypocrite you are. At least we satanists remain within the realms of reality.
You really exemplify all things revealed in this blogger's depiction of what was found in the LaVey's school of Satanism.

Thanks.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#16 Dec 7, 2012
paganbirdkeeper666 wrote:
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He is a she. You did no research on that creature to find out if she were credible. You just scanned the net for anything that bashed satanists.
I posted the truth about your Christmas holiday. You have yet to prove that I'm wrong about that. If you call posting facts bashing then you're one fcked up bitch.
Of course facts are not anything you would be familiar with consider the bogus info that you post.
Oh, historically you are correct. But then again, Satanism is based upon that same history, is it not?

And you are wrong about Christmas in the spiritual sense and Christ in the faith and belief sense. You have no clue, because you have faith in nothing.

Please note how accurate this blogger is with her description of you....your vulgarity knows no bounds and you somehow think vulgarity will intimidate, instead of just reveal the type of person you are.

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