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FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

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#43 Jan 18, 2013
LTT wrote:
God works around the principles of evolution. God is greater than evolution or Science, and that's no offense toward anyone who works in that field. Thee's many people in that field who believes in God. They are They reason that there's more than the natural, physical--or what we can see with the natural, physical eye. There's a "spiritual eye" that can only "see in the spiritual" realm.
I disagree and so do 90% of the smartest individuals on this planet.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Level 7

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#44 Jan 18, 2013
LTT wrote:
<quoted text>Every singletime I put a battery in, say a flashlight, that has a positive and a negative end, and I put it in wrong, it won't work. It just won't work! That's one way I can--and so can you--prove which end is positive and which end is negative.
Yes, but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with disproving a negative statement. Nothing.

So, do you believe in invisible, pink unicorns? I do and I KNOW they exist. Prove to me they don't.
See? This is an impossible task, one that you can not solve because physics, science, and the Earth do not operate under these set of rules.
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You made a mention of something to do with other religions in other countries, like say, Muslims. Do you know that there are Christians in those countries who are being persecuted as I type this out? Asia and Africa are some places where it is becoming popular to persecute Christians. Some are having to leave their own countries to save their lives. Some are being martyred.
ALL religions exist in every part of the world. Some countries are just less tolerant than the others. Thank god (pun fully intended) that we don't live in a theocracy and the 1st amendment is here to protect those individuals.
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The Bible says if we suffer with Christ we will reign with Christ.
Most all religions have this same philosophy. Why are they wrong but the one you have chosen is right. Why is it that out of the 2000+ different gods that humans have imagined that you came to choose the Christian god to worship?
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Now, one thing I want to add. You've done a lot of studying about God, according to what I've read about your comments. You've read possibly with the mind to disprove God, rahter than to find Him out. Am I correct?
You are not. I grew up a Southern Babtist. The first two times I read the Bible I did so fully believing in God. The notion of Atheism hadn't even crossed my mind, however, I was in my early twenties then and that was a long time ago. Older and wiser now, I suppose.
LTT wrote:
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Don't look with your mind? Look with your heart.
Why not use every available resource that you have to make an informed decision? Not using the most powerful bullshit detector you have seems to be counterintuitive and definitely NOT logical.
LTT wrote:
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Do you think it's the easiest thing in the world to be a Christian? No! It isn't!
Why not?
LTT wrote:
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So, if God is not real, why would so many people cling to a God they aren't sure is real?
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."
--Carl Sagan
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I hope you will give Him a chance to. If you choose not to, that is your business. I for myself have chosen to because the evidence to me was just too obvious.
What evidence? A personal experience is NOT evidence.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Level 7

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#45 Jan 18, 2013
LTT wrote:
<quoted text>4.The Bible does say that the Earth is the Lord's, and the fulness theeof, the world, and they that dwell therein. That would include is all. It says also, "let everything that has breath praise Him." That's one reason why every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Some may not believe in Him now, but there is according to a time in the Bible, that they will have no choice but to believe Him. We will all have an encounter(s) with God one way or another. He'll either be plesed with how we have lived with Jesus or without Jesus.
Quoting passages from the Bible does nothing other than prove that you can read. You have to remember that that Bible isn't a factual piece of literature. Your Bible is the CLAIM, not the proof.
LTT wrote:
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Sure, Science can prove a lot of things. It doen'st mean they can disprove Jesus, or God.
This is literally the 4th time I have had to say that Science is NOT trying to disprove the existance of gods. Science deals in facts, not faiths.
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Science does not have to prove God in order for God to exist. In fact, it's God who leads man to find many remarkable finds in Science, such as medicines, etc.
I disagree as no proof exists to support that claim.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Level 7

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The Big Town!

#46 Jan 18, 2013
LTT wrote:
<quoted text>6 (I think). Here, whether you know it or not, is a perfect fantasy or idea for the One World Government, or the One World Religion.
I was more hoping for the No World Religion.:) Religions, throughout the recorded history of mankind have come and gone and there is no evidence to support that Christianity will be any different.
"The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next"
--unknown
We read the 'fairy tales' that is Greek mythology and laugh at them because they believed that. Their beliefs are no different than the beliefs of Christians today.
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There will be a religion, and people will be forced to participate in it. All people!
I am not sure this will ever happen. I can't imagine how it could come to fruition.
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Yet, that's what's happening, even now. Cursive writing, someting that identifies an individual as one person unlike others, is even being taken out of the schools.
So, cursive writing is what gives people their identities? You are starting to lean a little towards crazy. I don't ever write in cursive and anyone who knows me will instantly recognize my handwriting. Who gives a damn if kids write in cursive. It has no bearing on critical thinking. THAT is what is missing from schools.
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People deserve to have identities of their own. We don't need to identify with others and be like others. We need to stand up and be ourselves--be who we are--and not what a system wants us to be--just another number, expected to do the same things as everyone else in the same ways.
You'll get no argument from me, here. I couldn't agree more.
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"Slowly fade away," yes it would...as we blur our differences and become all alike.
Not as we become alike, rather we become more logical and rational about the way we view the world.
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The problem with this is that there are religions that won't do this.
Why not? Every single religion that has ever existed, in time, has done this. What makes religions any different now?
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People who know Jesus will not.
They don't have to, but their ideas and beliefs will die with them. This isn't a process that is going to happen over night. Just like with evolution, this process is going to encompass generations. Take a look at the number of Atheists today. It is higher than it has ever been in this country and the numbers continue to grow. The majority of those are under 35 years of age, with the biggest population of them between the ages of 18 to 25.
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We are being unarmed in this country, FDG, can you see that we could be forced to do what Big Bro wants us to do?
We are? I have carried a concealed weapon for over 15 years and no one has ever tried to disarm me. I have a house full of guns and never had an issue with it. I am not sure how 'Big Bro' could force us to do anything as long as our Constitution is place.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Level 7

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#47 Jan 18, 2013
LTT wrote:
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We wuld be in trouble with God. We can't explain away the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus and get away with it.
We could if it never happened. We KNOW zombies aren't real so why would we believe that in this case they were? This isn't logical, reasonable, or rational. On the contrary, the belief in zombies is delusional.
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Jesus will not tell us to turn to Islam and Allah.
Jesus will not tell us anything for he (if he ever existed at all) has been dead for over 2000 years.
LTT wrote:
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7. Also, of those previous religions, the Bible says there is a way that seems right to a man. It says Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. It says there is no other name given under Heaven whereby we might be saved. Muslims would have a problem with this. So would other people who have many gods. We only need One God, because He is greater than anything. He can do all the things the other gods are asked to do.
ALL religions would have a problem with this because ALL other religions say the same thing. There is no difference in the claims made by each one because there is no empirical data to verify or substantiate these claims. It is simply blind faith.
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They don't have that One true God because God has reached out to man through Jesus Christ, and through no other. The Law was not achievable, but Jesus is. "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Jesus Christ is the One way God has reached down to man, to offer man so great a salvation. He is the Only One!
ALL religions have that one true god of those many true gods just as yours does. You may dismiss them, but you have no logical reason to. ALL other religions in this world dismiss your god in the same manner. There is no difference.
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours."
--Stephen F Roberts
It's all about logic and reasoning. If it doesn't make sense, then why subscribe to it? Until you can answer this honestly, then you are only cheating yourself.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Level 7

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#48 Jan 18, 2013
"We're all dying. All of us. Every day the cells weaken and the fibres stretch and the heart gets closer to its last beat. The real cost of living is dying, and we're spending the days like millionaires: a week here, a month there, casually spunked until all you have left are the two pennies on your eyes.

Death is not a release, but an incentive.

Believing in an afterlife totally negates your current existence. Underneath every day - every action, every word - you think it doesn't really matter if you screw up this time around because you can just sort it all out in paradise.

Only when the majority of the people on this planet believe - absolutely - that they are dying, minute by minute, we will actaully start behaving like fully sentient, rational, and compasssionate beings."
--Caitlin Moran
LTT

Warfield, KY

#49 Jan 18, 2013
Caitlin Moran sounds like a very young visionary.

The flesh is dying, but the spirit will live on, somewhere. "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" The cost of sin is dying. The result of salvation is living. "As in Adam all die; so an is Christ shall all be made alive."

I can't possibly get to all your comments, so I can do a few later. Too much going on here today. I do apologize for telling you you were like one athiest I spoke to a few years ago. That guy was a lot meaner than you are. Still steadfast in his own way of believing things as you, but nevettheless, meaner in getting his thoughs across. You do tend to be a nicer person than he. However, I still disagree with you on your statements against the existance of God.

The very best way for you to find out if God is really real is to at least approach Him with the hope that He does exist, and ask Him to reveal Himself to you in a way you could understand--but then, if you don't want to know Him or know about Him, it wouldn't work. It (the motive) has to be the right one, for the right purpose. God knows the hearts/minds of man.

You said God proving Himself to an individual is no proof. But it is. God reveals God. The Holy Spirit reveals God.

You told me, too, if I'm not mistaken, that I won't need to use scriptures, when I speak (write) to you. I will when I must, but I can get to the point of what I'm trying to say then--but I use God's word because it's not "what thus saith man, but what thus saith the Lord."

You spoke of man's need to worship and believe in something. Isn't that what athiests do? They replace God with Science and self-worth don't they? God has made a "vacuum" or an empty place within the heart of man that only He can fill. If man will not put God there, man will put a number of other things there, which will become a god, an idol, or something he/she can worship in one way or another. As long as man doesn't put God there, man will not be fully satisfied. If He gets too comfortable away from God, he/she should begin to worry.
Caesar

Gilbert, WV

#50 Jan 18, 2013
FDG

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LTT

Warfield, KY

#51 Jan 19, 2013
FDG wrote:
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So, do you believe in invisible, pink unicorns? I do and I KNOW they exist. Prove to me they don't.
See? This is an impossible task, one that you can not solve because physics, science, and the Earth do not operate under these set of rules.

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"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."
--Carl Sagan
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What evidence? A personal experience is NOT evidence.
It's not impossible for God to prove Himself to me. The Bible says that without faith it is impossible to please Him.
See, I was first called by Him. Then, I had enough faith to accept that call. I then believed in Whom I had come to know, and then, I knew He was real for a surety. I didn't have to just take the preacher's word for it. I found out for myself!

No, it's not about a need to believe. It's about a calling to believe and to accept and to know. It's like you're saying, "I have to have something to believe in because I can't make it without something to believe in." True that I can't make it without Jesus. But guess what! Neither can you! He owns your next breath and all the rest.

A personal experience is all the evidence I need to believe in Jesus. Jesus saved my soul. He's renewed me, too--given me second and third chances. Take you, for instance. If you had a personal experience with someone, and you tell me about it, who's to say you didn't lie to me? It goes both ways! You know you had that persoal experience with that someone--but I don't know that experience because it was between you and that one. If you said, "Sure I did, ask that someone," and I didn't, I'd never know. If I did, and pursued that answer with expectation, I may well find out that I could have a personal relationship with that someone too.
I wouldn't take advice or wise words from people about God who do not know God. It takes someone who knows Him to tell the truth about Him. Sometimes, people can say without being a Christian, "Sure, I believe there's a God," or, "I believe in God." They're right! But they can't fully explain experiences with God unless they know Him or they understand that God is trying to deal with them.
LTT

Warfield, KY

#52 Jan 19, 2013
FDG wrote:
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We could if it never happened. We KNOW zombies aren't real so why would we believe that in this case they were? This isn't logical, reasonable, or rational. On the contrary, the belief in zombies is delusional.
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Jesus will not tell us anything for he (if he ever existed at all) has been dead for over 2000 years.
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ALL religions would have a problem with this because ALL other religions say the same thing. There is no difference in the claims made by each one because there is no empirical data to verify or substantiate these claims. It is simply blind faith.
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ALL religions have that one true god of those many true gods just as yours does. You may dismiss them, but you have no logical reason to. ALL other religions in this world dismiss your god in the same manner. There is no difference.
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours."
--Stephen F Roberts
It's all about logic and reasoning. If it doesn't make sense, then why subscribe to it? Until you can answer this honestly, then you are only cheating yourself.
1. LOL! I don't believe in zombies--I believe in Jesus! There will be a resurrection of the just and of the unjust. The just will raise in a glorified body, in the likeness of Jesus. Jesus is no zombie! The unjust--are not as fortunate.
2. Now, if I believe there's a God, certainly, I believe that He has the power to raise Jesus and others from the dead. Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrection. Jesus is alive and well and coming back! He talks to us every day!
3. The greatest evidence for Jesus Christ to us who did not see Him with our eyes is the gift of the Holy Spirit, Who leads us and guides us in the ways of God. He is real! You know, I can tell you He's real all day long, and you can tell me He's not. Our minds may well not sway in what we stand for. However, I once was lost but now I'm found, was blind, but now I see. I took off the old coat and put on the new. The things I once hated I now love, and the things I once loved, I now hate. There's no greater evidence than having the Lord change your life--like--taking a cold hatred and changing it to a warm love in a minute, or even in an hour or 3 days. It takes a long time, sometimes, to let go. But sometimes, it don't. God changes hearts and minds. That is the greatest evidence, aside of the presence of the Holy Spirit that I know.
You say I have it because i have a need to believe it. He saw my need for a Saviour because I was headed for a sinner's fate. He reached out to me. I say, He gave me a reason to believe.
LTT

Warfield, KY

#53 Jan 19, 2013
FDG wrote:
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We could if it never happened. We KNOW zombies aren't real so why would we believe that in this case they were? This isn't logical, reasonable, or rational. On the contrary, the belief in zombies is delusional.
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Jesus will not tell us anything for he (if he ever existed at all) has been dead for over 2000 years.
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ALL religions would have a problem with this because ALL other religions say the same thing. There is no difference in the claims made by each one because there is no empirical data to verify or substantiate these claims. It is simply blind faith.
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ALL religions have that one true god of those many true gods just as yours does. You may dismiss them, but you have no logical reason to. ALL other religions in this world dismiss your god in the same manner. There is no difference.
"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours."
--Stephen F Roberts
It's all about logic and reasoning. If it doesn't make sense, then why subscribe to it? Until you can answer this honestly, then you are only cheating yourself.
Yes, they have a need to believe in something, right? That vacuum needs filled. "Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no man comes to the Father but by Him." "There is only one name given under Heaven whereby we might be saved, and that being the name of Jesus Christ." He is the only begotten of the Father. "To us gave He the power to become the sons of God, even to those who believe on His name."
All religions have not provided a means of salvation for fallen man. Jesus is the Only One who has reached out to save fallen man--even to the Cross and beyond. He's the Only One who has delivered on His promises. Ra and Zeus and Athena can't save me, and probably wouldn't care to if they were real. Besides God, there is no other greater than He. In fact, He is the only real God, as a definition of Who and What God is.
5. I don't even contend that you are really an athiest. I contend that you may be agnostic, at most. That's what I take from your writings. You don't know what I have experienced with God. I'd be a fool to not believe in God. In fact, the Bible says, "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God." Therefore, I have no need to consider that there are any other gods greater than God, or that there are any other Who loves me like God does. There's no God like Jehovah, Yahweh, the Father of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6. Cheating myself! No, I have everything because I have Him. Isaiah 1:18 says, "Come now, and let us REASON together. saith the Lord; Though your sins be as scarlet, they can become white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."
This is the type of reasoning I understand.
It's simple! I understand why I dismiss all other religions, as I have stated. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no man comes to the Father but by Him. I found out for myself. When I heard the words, I didn't shield them as to shielf myself from them. I heard them. I found out the Truth. Jesus has done so much for me. He's answered prayers for me, given me dreams, visions, salvation for some of my family that seemed like it would take a lifetime--if then--but then, there was that not giving up on prayer. He's healed me at times, my Grandmaw from using crutches, my daughter from possibly dying from pneumonia last year--and I was given a night vision about that before it happened. There's too many things to mention. Now, tell me! Has the hand of God ever touched you? If so, you'd know it, wouldn't you?
LTT

Warfield, KY

#54 Jan 19, 2013
FDG wrote:
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Not as we become alike, rather we become more logical and rational about the way we view the world.
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But some people are more logic than others, and some problems are too complicated to figure out the logic and the rationality of them. Confusion would abound. It'd have to. I'll tell you why. This world is going to come face to face with the serpent who deceived Eve in the garden. Now, if God walked with Adam and Eve, and were still deceived by the serpent, how do you think a bunch of athiests and confused people are going to logically and rationally defeat the wiles and deceits and evil attacks of the devil. The devil (Satan) is like a roaring lion, roaming to and fro, seeking whom he may devour. I'll tell you what it takes? It takes the blood of Jesus applied to the doorposts of our hearts. "Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world." Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah!!!
I view the world as a very sinful and needy place, that lives in the dark. That's how I see it! God opened up the curtains on the dark when Jesus came and did what He did (life, teachings, miracles, death, burial, resurrection, and ascention). Jesus is the Light! The Light that shines and exposes the darkness!
When Satan enters it, it's going to get a lot more complicated. That would be the period of the Great Tribulation. Some say they don't believe in it. Old, hundreds of years old prophecies are being fulfilled, and if they keep on being fulfilled, it's looking like the Bible's more right every day.
LTT

Warfield, KY

#55 Jan 19, 2013
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They don't have to, but their ideas and beliefs will die with them. This isn't a process that is going to happen over night. Just like with evolution, this process is going to encompass generations. Take a look at the number of Atheists today. It is higher than it has ever been in this country and the numbers continue to grow. The majority of those are under 35 years of age, with the biggest population of them between the ages of 18 to 25.
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No, the gates of Hell shall not prevail agains the Kingdom of God. Jesus Was, Is, and Is To Come. He is Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and The End, The First and The Last. As long as this Earth, that He created, has righteousness found in it, there is hope for it. Once the righteousness is out of the picture, only judgment is left. God's ways will never cease. not at any given time. Look at Noah's day. God saved 8 people because of great iniquity in the world. It was all full of sin. Look at Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah. If there were found only 10 righteous in the city, it would have been spared--but there were not--and it was destroyed. Judged! "Blessed are the meek, for the meek shall inherit the Earth." God has a purpose in this Earth that HE created, and He will not let the state of sin nor fullness of sin overtake it. People will still be turning to God in the Tribulation. Israel will call out on God and God will save Israel.
Yes, those numbers of athiests today, so young, have not had a chance to go to church or to hear about God in the way they need to. Guess what? Some do know about God! I know some who do! It's so inspiring!
LTT

Warfield, KY

#56 Jan 19, 2013
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I can agree to that. That can be said for every single person on Earth. I learn new things everyday.
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I'll have no one to blame but myself.
FDG, based on these statements, I rest my case! You acknowledge that you learn new things every day. One day, if you live, you may come to know about Jesus Christ. Well, you certainly will, because if the Bible is right, and I know it is, it says that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. We'll do it in joy, or we'll do it in mourning. Basically, you have stated that you learn new things everyday, which also takes into account that you may learn of God. I hope you do before you bow before Him in mourning that you did not believe in Him before. I hope you do! "God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." God loves you! While creation waits, He patiently and gracefully gives man time to come to Him. And, "How can we escape, if we neglect so great a salvation?" Therefore, yes, if we reject Him, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.
It's just too precious to ignore. I believe I would want to "look to find Him," than "look to not find Him." I'm honestly not arguing at you. I'm pouring my heart out to you and I'm telling you there is a God worthwhile--worth your while--to find. He's the Creator--the God who made us.
Since you do learn new things every day, perhaps one day you will learn that you want to know about Him in a "positive" way. He gives a peace that surpasses all understanding. If you look, you may learn that you may have a reason to want to know the Lord. No, and it's not a need to believe in something. It's about Him giving you a reason to believe. Seek that--if you will--and you will find the love of God. God's love is the principal thing. It's not like man's love. It's a greater love. Nothing like it!

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