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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62852 Nov 17, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well then, quit posting. i won't be offended, if you go away mad.
You might be a loon but you are still funny.
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#62853 Nov 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Did Jesus teach anyone to do evil?
Remember we discussed that Jesus' followers perverted his message after his death? His followers after his death were the people who issued these edicts, conducts these atrocities, killed millions of people. All in his name.
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#62854 Nov 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Was the Inquisition aimed at Jews?
Spanish inquisition was.
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#62855 Nov 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Are you speaking about the Holocaust which was conducted by Hitler a man who was Jewish and with a slight touch of African blood?
When was Hitler mother ever Jewish? http://hnn.us/article/142825
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#62856 Nov 17, 2013
So, Hugh, the question originally asked was "Is Jesus a part of your religious history?" The answer is an emphatic yes because his followers took his message and perverted it. Why did they kill Jews for the last two millenia? Because they didn't understand the message of their/your messiah and god.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#62858 Nov 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Believe me, I am aware of that. However, I think, at least for myself, its time to move on. The Christians are not a threat to us in anyway anymore. Radical Islam has moved into that role. And like I said, the best type of revenge is the truth anyhow. Lets consider him a teacher and own him.
Interestingly and not surprisingly, when Boteach's book came out, he was attacked in the press by other orthodox including some modern orthodox leaders, who also couldnt get past history and stereotypes long enough to understand Boteach's idea.
Respectfully, I don't agree with that optimistic appraisal of benign Xtianity. Yes, the loons on this board are several points away from standard deviation but what I see in the Xtian community at large is either complete apathy on the subject of antisemitism or the knowing little grin of silent assent when it is expressed openly by those loons. We both know it only a few crazies to get the herd stampeding in one direction.

A recent study out of Europe (“Discrimination and Hate Crime Against Jews in EU Member States") released just this month had some interesting things in it.

One, not surprisingly, they saw anti-Semitic violence on the rise in Europe. Two, they saw more incidents from people identified as politically left-wing than those identified as Islamic extremists. A general decline in right-wing antisemitism was noted.

I believe that hatred of Jews is so engrained in European culture that even though most of it is expressed behind doors today in Europe they are only one economic collapse from putting us in box cars again.

I'm not sure how co-opting Jebus in Judaism is going to appease them. His message, if he ever had one (his "words" were written centuries after his purported death by people from a totally different culture) is now so twisted and deranged that it can never be reclaimed.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#62859 Nov 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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oh yes and HATERS of TRUTH.
rabbee: well they certainly are ungrateful to G-D, for telling me what's wrong with em all. can't fix anything right in this world, if you don't know what's wrong with the whole world.

and i hope all you, in the middle east usa. are safe from all, the tornados happening there. now with a good chance, they may strike in the darkness.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#62860 Nov 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You might be a loon but you are still funny.
rabbee: oh so now you think, G-D is the loony who gave this to me? and you, think something this deadly serious is funny? do you really think G-D commanded me to do this, to humor you? i am giving to you, messages from G-D. i couldn't possibly, of even dreamed of ever. it's nothing like, any of this whole worlds religious teachings. the whole world, has got it all wrong.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62861 Nov 17, 2013
Dont get me wrong - it is not to appease them, it is to annoy them, the ones that have the potential to be annoyed.(as well as to flatly set the history straight)

Interesting take on the current state of anti-semitism in Europe. Of course, I am only writing from my experience in America. In America, Europe is irrelevant. Roman Catholicism as a force does not exist, and the evangelicals are more a threat to the American political and educational system than to Jews specifically.

Hughbe may be an outlier in many ways, but in other ways, his conclusions are fairly typical of the envangelical movement. But the force he represents is minor.

I totally agree that the left wing is more a threat than the right wing. I see it within the criticism of Israel which is obviously narrowly concealed anti-semitism, and within the anti Kosher and anti-Brit movement - both of which are counter to science and to religious freedom.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62862 Nov 17, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: oh so now you think, G-D is the loony who gave this to me? and you, think something this deadly serious is funny? do you really think G-D commanded me to do this, to humor you? i am giving to you, messages from G-D. i couldn't possibly, of even dreamed of ever. it's nothing like, any of this whole worlds religious teachings. the whole world, has got it all wrong.
Dont feel slighted. I still find you interesting. I probably shouldnt encourage your religious rantings though.

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#62863 Nov 17, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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How is that "momser" any more a myth than any other religious figure from the old testament? Or did I misunderstand your statement?
The main difference is that Judaism isn't a cult of human personalty in the way that Xtianity is. We don't worship Moses or David or even our sages.

Let's say for a moment that the historic Moses never existed, or didn't exist in any way close to the biblical record. That wouldn't change anything about Mosaic law. The commandments, our relation ship to G-d, the foundation very of the Jewish belief system would remain fundamentally intact.

On the other hand, Jebus is a god, demi-god, divine creature (accounts vary) who demands worship and who claims that said worship is the only path that will stave off eternal damnation (according to his biographers).

If Jebus never existed (and I see no reason to believe he did) the fundamental beliefs of Xtianity are invalid.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#62864 Nov 17, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Remember we discussed that Jesus' followers perverted his message after his death? His followers after his death were the people who issued these edicts, conducts these atrocities, killed millions of people. All in his name.
rabbee: well don't know who the liar is, pretending to be a jesus. but Yeshooah don't have any followers today. and their have not been any, true followers of Yeshooah for a very long time. and i would not doubt it, if what is allegedly written by the apostles was actually written by them. they even knew better, than to spell anything with a letter j that did not exist. and i am sure, they knew how to translate the word "Redemption" (Yeshooah) into latin or greek. they may have had a harder time translating it, into spanish, german, french, russian, japanese, chinese or english.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62865 Nov 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Respectfully, I don't agree with that optimistic appraisal of benign Xtianity. Yes, the loons on this board are several points away from standard deviation but what I see in the Xtian community at large is either complete apathy on the subject of antisemitism or the knowing little grin of silent assent when it is expressed openly by those loons. We both know it only a few crazies to get the herd stampeding in one direction.
A recent study out of Europe (“Discrimination and Hate Crime Against Jews in EU Member States") released just this month had some interesting things in it.
One, not surprisingly, they saw anti-Semitic violence on the rise in Europe. Two, they saw more incidents from people identified as politically left-wing than those identified as Islamic extremists. A general decline in right-wing antisemitism was noted.
I believe that hatred of Jews is so engrained in European culture that even though most of it is expressed behind doors today in Europe they are only one economic collapse from putting us in box cars again.
I'm not sure how co-opting Jebus in Judaism is going to appease them. His message, if he ever had one (his "words" were written centuries after his purported death by people from a totally different culture) is now so twisted and deranged that it can never be reclaimed.
http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-...

p47-48

Note the interaction between "extremist Muslim political view" WITH "left wing political view".

The question I have is whether these were non-muslims who were sympathetic to muslim point of view, or left-wing muslims? I would guess the former. Then, the question is whether these people are secular-Christian, or Christian. I would guess secular-Christian. If so, then there is no real Jesus effect.

However - note these are "perceptions".

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62866 Nov 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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The main difference is that Judaism isn't a cult of human personalty in the way that Xtianity is. We don't worship Moses or David or even our sages.
98% of us dont. But we have our outliers too.

Lubavitchers who worshipped their deceased rebbe, and several other Hasidic groups. And then there is the fact that every few hundred years or so, another populist movement pops into view. But certainly you are correct with the overall characterization.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#62867 Nov 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Dont feel slighted. I still find you interesting. I probably shouldnt encourage your religious rantings though.
rabbee: i am not interesting, since it is G-D WHO gave me some very interesting and really weird things to say. i wanted to be, normal in this world. but nooo! G-D, wouldn't tolerate that.

i thought i was doing a good job, covering up for all the crazy stuff G-D says was going to happen to me. at least for a while, till it just got to be too overwhelming.

how many of you, could explain how you escaped from being dead for 3 and a half days dawdle in vietnam? or dead people coming to life, when your near them. and the glowing, like an arc lamp. you just can't explain that one. i have had a really weird life, with G-D making this kind of stuff happening around me. so don't blame me for any of this, blame G-D WHO commanded my weird life to happen.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#62868 Nov 17, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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The main difference is that Judaism isn't a cult of human personalty in the way that Xtianity is. We don't worship Moses or David or even our sages.
Let's say for a moment that the historic Moses never existed, or didn't exist in any way close to the biblical record. That wouldn't change anything about Mosaic law. The commandments, our relation ship to G-d, the foundation very of the Jewish belief system would remain fundamentally intact.
On the other hand, Jebus is a god, demi-god, divine creature (accounts vary) who demands worship and who claims that said worship is the only path that will stave off eternal damnation (according to his biographers).
If Jebus never existed (and I see no reason to believe he did) the fundamental beliefs of Xtianity are invalid.
rabbee: when you have two or more opposing rules. that's called being a hypocrite. if both moses and jesus never existed, there should not be any difference in the rule. when in fact neither moses or jesus existed. since the fact is, Moshe and Yeshooah did. and no one in this world today, is right according to Moshe or Yeshooah.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#62869 Nov 17, 2013
does it really make a difference who is wrong when you are all wrong, according to G-D here in TheTorah? when just your denial of being here in TheTorah, makes you 100% all wrong. using an altered name like noah, issac, jacob, moses, jesus, or joseph makes you wrong. it is called, bearing false witness. you are callng G-D a liar you are when you do that.

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#62870 Nov 17, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-...
p47-48
Note the interaction between "extremist Muslim political view" WITH "left wing political view".
The question I have is whether these were non-muslims who were sympathetic to muslim point of view, or left-wing muslims? I would guess the former. Then, the question is whether these people are secular-Christian, or Christian. I would guess secular-Christian. If so, then there is no real Jesus effect.
However - note these are "perceptions".
I've always wondered about this bond between the extreme left and extreme Islam that seems so completely incongruous and I have come to the conclusion that to both groups this "Jews are the force behind evil in this world" is the common thread.

That theme is ingrained into European culture and even, to a much lesser extent, in Americans. If someone comes to them and says, "Yea, we're blowing up buses and trains and flying passenger jets into buildings but we're doing it to save everyone from the Jews" that is going to resonate with the already ingrained belief that Jews are the ones manipulating evil in this world.

This perception of Jews may have begun with the teachings of the church but it has certainly evolved beyond the whole, "you killed my savior" meme. Jews are a minority, a fairly insular minority, that people don't really understand or know very well. They have always been and will continue to be a convenient choice for those looking for someone on whom to blame evil. This applies to both secular and religion Xtians.

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#62871 Nov 17, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
does it really make a difference who is wrong when you are all wrong, according to G-D here in TheTorah? when just your denial of being here in TheTorah, makes you 100% all wrong. using an altered name like noah, issac, jacob, moses, jesus, or joseph makes you wrong. it is called, bearing false witness. you are callng G-D a liar you are when you do that.
Shhhhhh... the grown-ups are talking

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#62872 Nov 17, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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No doubt your "Dr Henry Makow, an ex-Jew" is like his fellow ex-Jews below.

Recall your words, "most Jews, given the garbage found in the Tanach, are non-believers and have turned to atheism.."

In essence most Jews are NOT Jews but are in fact ex-Jews.
For a change, why don't you acknowledge the barbarism in the Tanach instead of exclusively focusing on the utterances/deeds of the rabbis?

Once you acknowledge the harsh fact that the Tanach is an evil scripture teaching the most anti-human tenets then your heroes like Abraham, Moses, Elijah and others will be seen as swimming in the sewers with their G-d and it's then that you'll realize that these patriarchs with their venomous G-d are the source of all evil in Judaism and that the rabbis are only picking up cues from them.

Most intelligent and not so intelligent Jews have quit the cult being disguised with the teachings that're not only barbaric but filled with ignorance about the true nature of the reality and as I said earlier that many observant Jews including quite a few rabbis are closet atheists. With these observant Jews, faith is more an ethno-cultural bonding than anything spiritual which anyway is absent in the teachings of Judaism.

If you ape the teachings of the Tanach or the pronouncements of the rabbis, you'll end up a criminal or a mentally ill patient with a serious setback to the further evolution of your consciousness. Instead of evolution, there'll take place a devolution and a degradation.

The Babylonian G-d of Abraham and the observant Jews is an asura (demon) and Jesus was supposedly its incarnation. LOL.

So, Monny, take care who you worship.

Aim for the sublime, not for filth.

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