Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Full story: Newsday 69,384
Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family. Full Story
Voluntarist

United States

#60330 Oct 13, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Strawman argument. Who ever said anything about free health care? Everyone but those below poverty level are expected to pay premiums.
The white house website , then they took it down.
Obama drones thought that they dont have to pay for anything.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#60331 Oct 13, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
The white house website , then they took it down.
Obama drones thought that they dont have to pay for anything.
Dont be idiotic

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#60332 Oct 13, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
The white house website , then they took it down.
Obama drones thought that they dont have to pay for anything.
because you habitually post idiotic mistruths, I tool the liberty of googling it to see what babble you were referring to

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare...

Yes, you are correct. They were promising FREE OBAMACARE to the hordes.

NOT.
Voluntarist

United States

#60333 Oct 13, 2013
And… it’s gone! The Fed and US could simply CANCEL all $5 trillion of
intragovernmental debt
washingtonsblog.com
Ocotber 13, 2013
As we documented here , Congressman Alan Grayson is correct that the Fed could cancel its own US
national debt holdings of ~$2 trillion. This could begin public justice from how our current system
transfers public assets into 1% private profits: currently conservatively estimated at $30 trillion
held in tax-free offshore accounts, and satirized in South Park’s Emmy Award-winning episode on
our bailing out the big banks with the catchline,“ And it’s gone.”
If one understands the mechanics of canceling $2 trillion in debt, there’s equal wisdom to likewise
cancel all ~$5 trillion of the debt held by Social Security and other intragovernmental holdings as
simple book-keeping because we literally owe this to ourselves.
And in this light, we could enact what is called “ monetary reform ” for the US Treasury to pay the
outstanding ~$12 trillion of debt held by the public as it becomes due with debt-free currency
created by the US government (criminal 1% elements in banking would be identified and their
crime-gained assets seized).
Ending the national debt once and for all, forever, is just one benefit of the several models (and
here) of cost-free government already known, beginning with Benjamin Franklin’s pamphlet on
colonial Pennsylvania operating its government debt-free and without taxes, to Thomas Edison
explaining debt-free money with Henry Ford in a 1921 summer media tour. Debt-free money could
be created to directly pay for public goods and services, and government could be employer of last
resort for infrastructure investment. Because infrastructure creates more economic output than
investment cost, this results in falling prices. So, we can have full-employment, the best
infrastructure we can imagine, and falling costs to consumers.
I teach Advanced Placement (AP) Macroeconomics (more challenging than most college-level
introductory macroeconomic courses), contribute to the ongoing education of ~2,000 AP Economics
teachers on our listserve, and had my published research in monetary reform honored by the
Claremont Colleges’ international conference on monetary reform in 2012.
This is the paper for my AP Macroeconomics students to understand money mechanics (and paying
the national debt), also contributed to our listserve AP teachers. To date, no colleague, student, or
parent has found any factual errors or incomplete information. This article is a shorter, non-
academic, documented explanation of our debt-condition and solutions.
Our condition, and why paying the national debt is our only good option:
Voluntarist

United States

#60334 Oct 13, 2013
1. What we use for money is actually debt, created by private banks . The national debt is
created by Treasury printing pretty pieces of debt instruments, selling them into a system whereby
what is used for money is created debt-free and out-of-nothing by banks. Adding more debt over
time, as these mechanics can only do, will only and always increase the total economic debt. This
“monetary system” guarantees aggregate public debt is perpetual and unpayable, making the 99%
permanent debt-slaves to 1% literal “asset-holes”(documentation here , here , here). The mechanics
and mathematics of only being able to add negative numbers to existing negative numbers is certain
and simple.
2. Official government claims of “required austerity” from “budget crises” are easily refuted.
Government Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports (CAFRs) have literal multiple trillions in
surplus taxpayer assets , as they fraudulently claim deficits “forcing” austerity upon the 99%. For
example, California’s own CAFR proves a ~$16 billion claimed budget deficit is absolutely refuted
by ~$100 billion in liquid surplus funds and ~$500 billion in claimed investments (explanation and
complete documentation here , television interview to explain here , documentation of official lies to
keep this information hidden here ).
3. Again, and importantly, 1%“leadership” in government , banking/finance , and corporate media
lie in omission by keeping obvious solutions secret : including government directly paying for all
public goods and services with debt-free money created by government (and here ). Several models
(and here ) of cost-free government are known, beginning with Benjamin Franklin’s pamphlet on
colonial Pennsylvania operating its government without taxes to Thomas Edison explaining debt-
free money with Henry Ford in a 1921 summer media tour.
As the links above emphasize, we’ll never have these solutions or even the problem clearly
explained until 1% leaders in government, money, and media are arrested for OBVIOUS fraud
(obvious because debt is called “money,” and those with fiduciary responsibility in government to
explain options to end our debt are silent). If no arrests, we will have only more debt, wars, and
lies.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#60335 Oct 13, 2013
Spamming us is not considered polite
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#60336 Oct 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
couldnt help but notice that Colorado has its own exchange
rabbee: well it is a lot harder, to predict the weird weather in colorado.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#60337 Oct 13, 2013
G-D only gives, TheTorah to Moshe. and the next thing you know, they offer is their new testament tanach, no longer here in Only TheTorah from G-D.

and so nobody knows why G-D has Adam put to death, 2000 years ago, because of their being nobody here in TheTorah.
Voluntarist

United States

#60338 Oct 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
because you habitually post idiotic mistruths, I tool the liberty of googling it to see what babble you were referring to
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare...
Yes, you are correct. They were promising FREE OBAMACARE to the hordes.
NOT.
Where can I get free health care, I accept your apology.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#60339 Oct 13, 2013
how much you all willing to bet, that there wont be anyone here in TheTorah when adam and his mate arrive again, after the alleged death of Adam?

how much you all willing to bet, that there still won't be anyone here in TheTorah, when G-D returns after the day of rest. to only start this only all, over again in TheTorah with Noach.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#60340 Oct 13, 2013
so don't tell me that this world ad their grandmother here in only TheTorah is this stupid, here in Only TheTorah again from HaShem G-D, forever and always.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60341 Oct 13, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Does HUGH like eating his soup hot? Hugh, do you know what's to be eaten in a soup, whether hot, cold, thin or thick?
Remember, Mon, you eat a soup, you don't drink it.
Which is your favorite soup?
(smiles)
Thanks for the reminder about EATING soup.

Truthfully, I love red peas soup (kidney beans) but I also love a good FISH soup. No pun intended. In essence it is hard to say but I EAT the red peas soup far more frequently and perhaps it is because it is more readily available.

Do you eat FISH soup, Joel?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60342 Oct 13, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
HUGH,
In what kind of tableware is a consomme - a thin, clear soup - served?
(smiles)
My experience is that people serve it in containers they can afford. For you, I expect a non-transparent porcelain bowl.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60343 Oct 13, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
I love everything French including ribbed French Letters....
Hugh,
Where are you, honey?
(wink wink wink)
Joel---I love EVERYTHING French

Hugh--- Take it from me, you should not. Leave the French men and the poodles alone.

I don't particularly care for French letters, do you?

I love the sound of French, do you?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60344 Oct 13, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
HUGH,
Knowing the unclassy cruff that you are, I am sure that you don't know how to correctly pronounce the French word CROISSANT.
Hugh's PRONUNCIATION of the word CROISSANT: Croys-int or Croys-ant.
CORRECT PRONUNCIATION of the word CROISSANT: croo-aah-son(t)
(smiles)
I always listen to the things that the classy CRUFFS like yourself say. Why? I believe that I can learn from anything.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#60345 Oct 13, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Where can I get free health care, I accept your apology.
With your mental condition, you probably qualify to be institutionalized as a ward of the state.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60346 Oct 13, 2013
HughBe Deuteronomy 21: 10-
"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy WIFE;
12 Then thou shalt bring HER HOME to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; ...."

Comment: God that YOU claim to worship and OBEY condones and APPROVES of marriages of Jewish men to non-Jewish women.

On the other hand your god-men of Judaism have OVERRULED the Torah and the laws of God and are AGAINST it.

Note well what Eric, the Judahite says below. Note the Judahite's DIATRIBE or BITTER ATTACK against the commandment of God, the Torah and Tanach.

Eric---You call that Marriage. You have a PERVERTED sense of Marriage. I call that slavery.

HughBe--- His PERVERTED comment is really calling God PERVERTED as it is God who spoke of taking her for a WIFE and wife means MARRIAGE.
PROOF:"And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy WIFE"

Eric--I call that taking the spoils of war. I might go so far as call it RAPE under today's standards of war.

HughBe--- Eric is calling what God commanded RAPE.

Eric---And if you go on, the passage says that SHE shall be FORCED to ABANDON HER WAYS (discard her raiments) and family; i.e., forced CONVERSION. Only then can there be a marriage. But if you don't like her then you must free her. Why might you not like her? Maybe because she refused to abandon her family and ways.

HughBe---Now, I am assuming that Eric is speaking on behalf of Judaism and so note his LIE and that of Judaism. Here I am speaking about his LIE that "SHE shall be FORCED to ABANDON HER WAYS (discard her raiments) and family; i.e., forced CONVERSION."

There is NOTHING in the FULL text below that speaks about FORCED or UNFORCED CONVERSION. If you can read and understand then you shall see the TRUTH of which I speak. You shall also see and recognize another LIE of Judaism i.e. FORCED CONVERSION.

That aside this Judahite has the balls to CRITICIZE the commandment of God Almighty in a BITTER way.

Summary of what is in the text below.

1. Beautiful captive of war is seen

2. If an Israelite wants to marry her, take her home.

3. Clean her up--- "shave her head, and pare her nails" and change "raiment of her captivity"

4.Let her MOURN her family.

5. Then marry her."She will have sorrow for her father and mother for one month. After that you may go in to her and be her HUSBAND and she will be your WIFE

(HUSBAND and WIFE=marriage)

6. After marriage, "If you are not pleased with her, you should let her go wherever she wants."

7. After marriage and you let her go YOU shall not
" sell her for money or act as if she were a servant because you have put her to shame."

The FULL law on marriage of Foreign women taken in battle is below.

"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,

11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;

13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.

14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her." Deuteronomy 21:10-14 (KJV)
Voluntarist

United States

#60347 Oct 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
With your mental condition, you probably qualify to be institutionalized as a ward of the state.
Gay behavior used to be a mental illness, are you getting treatment?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#60348 Oct 14, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay behavior used to be a mental illness, are you getting treatment?
If I did, would you mind paying for it through your taxes?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#60349 Oct 14, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
I always listen to the things that the classy CRUFFS like yourself say. Why? I believe that I can learn from anything.
Actually, from what I have observed, you are here to push your ridiculous viewpoint. Everything else is an accident.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Gila Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Black Range Artist plan plein air show 15 hr I love the southwest 1
Grant Co.---rotten corner of NM (Sep '11) Wed Insect Trust 30
Dr. Twana Sparks (Dec '09) Sep 11 FEDUPw-dumb-mean-... 45
Their view: No clear gain in dispute over Falkl... (Mar '10) Sep 7 Tony 608
To ban or not to ban - the future of plastic ba... Sep 5 Yes 11
Review: High Country Collision Specialist Jul '14 Jeff 1
Gila EDA Roundtable hears updates from meeting ... Jun '14 just asking 1
•••
•••
•••

Gila Jobs

•••
•••
•••

Gila People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

•••

Gila News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Gila
•••

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]
•••