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“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#47403 Jan 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-40
Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.
Muslims became a formidable force in Makkah.
(Contd.)
Yeah, they did. And went on to tame the Arab pennisula. Whoo-piede-doo! And what have they done with it? They didn't even officially outlaw slavery by national law until 1976. 1976, Muq. That is how backward and barbaric you Muslims are. And let's not pretend slavery doesn't still exist in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, they are fighting like hell to bring it back in Mali, and in Saudi Arabia right now, as we speak, 90% of the everyday labor, paid pennies-on-the-dollar, is done by imported Indian and Phillipino laborers. The top 1-2% reap the most generous rewards, and educate and out-source their children to the west to be trained how to keep this system going, and every single time, without fail, when some sort of "institutional Islam" is introduced into ANY society, it causes NOTHING but chaos and regression, it sets societies BACK, not forward. You can look at Egypt, Iraq, Lebannon, Malaysia, the Phillipines, Somalia, the Sudan, Croatia, Russia, the list is practically endless to see where the implementation of Muslim theology on a place leads to... havoc and death. Surrender to darkness. That is the true nature of Islam, yes, it is "surrender." Not to the will of God, though. That is the lie, isn't it, Muq. But you already know that. You surrendered a long time ago, didn't you? You've aroused my curiosity, I will admit, so I have to ask. You beat your women, Muq? Do you believe, as the Quran states, that the safest place for a woman is in the (darkest) corner of her house? You beat your women (or wish you could) when you assume they step out of line? Would you stone your own mother to death, Muq? If you thought that was in accordance with the Will of Allah? You think your Prophet would?
Voluntarist

United States

#47404 Jan 18, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
There are idiots out there that want to go that far, make ALL firearms illegal except for those owned by the government. Of course, even assault weapons are protected under the 2nd amendment. So are machine guns and tanks, but we don't need to go into that just now...
So you would agree with the statement "IF they are allowed to take semi-autos then they could go after handguns next"?

Is that paranoid thinking in your opinion?
former res

Broomall, PA

#47405 Jan 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
In my strict constitutionalist opinion, no but the court will tell you that it depends on the circumstance.
Ill give you a real live example in the court now, a man gets angry in a store and tells the manager to ''SUCK A DK" with a finger gesture, states that he has to catch a train and that he will be back later.
The argument is over the store insisting on id to purchase cigarettes.
Police charge the man with breach of peace
You are sitting on the jury
you have the right to judge the facts and the law.
what is your verdict?
Sure, breach, disorderly - whatever they want to call it.

But by your example it would have been legal for the store owner to hit the customer for what he did.

Piers morgan - short of yelling fire in a crowded theater - can say whatever he wants to (direct threats/defamation notwithstanding).
former res

Broomall, PA

#47406 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe-- I am unable to relate to the many.
Former---This sounds very elitist.
HughBe-- regardless of sounds, the reality is, it is factual.
I know you are very class-conscious and think much of yourself.

Of these types, usually others do not share this view.

You may want to re-think your view of yourself and the world.

People may be laughing at you behind your back. In fact, I would bet money on it.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former--I don't believe your god would approve.
HughBe--- I approve and so my god approves.
Once again you place yourself and your values above those of your god. In the last exchange you said that when looking at yourself in the mirror, you were in fact looking at your god.

You're displaying more delusions of grandeur.

Try and keep your ego in check.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe--- disappointed in you. I'm NOT into pretense.
Former--Many Jamaicans speak this way.
HughBe--- That means that Jamaicans are straightforward people.
And by contrast and implication, you are not.

This is what you're saying.

Come down off your high horse.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former---Do you know any Rastafarians by chance?
HughBe--- Not by chance. I know many.
And none of them ever say "mon"?

This is quite difficult to believe, mon.
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Former--As long as you don't say altar boys/cub scouts/ etc.
HughBe--- truly a list of those who excite Frijoles and NOT me.
Former--"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.[1]"
HughBe--- In relation to me and the given context pure CS
The laws of science (or even the social sciences) are not suspended in your shiny presence.

Being gay is nothing to be ashamed of.

It's OK.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#47407 Jan 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Later life:
HAMZA remained with prophet in Makkah, and helped him and supported him at every juncture. He migrated to Madina and in the battle of Badr slain UTBAH and SHAIBAH in hand to hand combat at the beginning of Battle, he also killed MUT’IM BIN UDAI, one of the Chief of Makkah.
In the battle of UHUD, next year. He also killed many of the warriors of Makkan army, he was killed in the battle field in a most cowardly manner. After he was dead, his body was mutilated, women of Makkah (lead by HIND, daughter of UTBAH and wife of Abu SUFYAN) cut his nose and ears, slit open his chest and removed his liver and kidney and chew on it.
When prophet saw the condition of body of his Uncle and Great Warrior of Islam in this condition, he was extremely pained.(He later pardoned Abu SUFYAN and HIND, but that is another story). He also said “If I was not fearing about the sentiments of SUFIA (HAMZA ‘ s Sister), or that it would be taken as a practice, I would leave the body of HAMZA in the same state, till crows and vultures ate him and then on the day of judgment, he would be resurrected from their bellies……and I would mutilate 70 of the Makkan ‘s slain. But a revelation from Allah prevented the prophet from retaliating like that
HAMZA with other martyrs of UHUD was buried on the side of battle field. Prophet led his funeral prayers, and he used to place his body along side every group of Martyrs whose bodies came before him for leading burial prayers. In this way the prophet performed 13 or 14 Burial prayers of his beloved and brave uncle HAMZA!!
Such was the wonderful story of HAMZA, the Uncle of prophet, who was “injured” by the “sword of kinship” but was fully “killed and enslaved” by the “Sword of prayer and Love” which Prophet wielded in abundance!!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
awww, how sweet! Muslim compassion. Not mutillating bodies as long as there is the potential of a betrothal. Funeral Pyres? Like in the 6'th century B.C. or so? Your little "Wonderful Story of Hamza..." falls short. Nobody cares. hey, good source, though. That's exactly one of the sources the Hadiths are based on, which is what your kind revere for some reason, which show you little pedophile hero to be a "Prophet" somehow. You ever think those "companions" might have been in on and side-by-side with child-rapists and monsters? Not just back then, boy. All the way and up-to including until today.
cat

Bedford, MA

#47408 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Questions like "Why are we here? Who cares? What is our purpose?" are ABSOLUTELY within the province of Religion and the (secular) Humanities, not science.
Questions regarding facts are within the realm of science.
You need to understand the differences in focuses and which arena to apply them. You are almost there.
These are all questions that people run around in circles trying to prove both with science and religion. I'm not almost there. I am here. No amount of science or religion knowledge can answerr simple questions. All fairytales told by man. Not certain that our scientific laws apply everywhere which could make them incorrect assumptions. I'd like to say that you are almost there, but I don't believe anyone on here including myself is even close to understanding.

Good comment nonetheless.
cat

Bedford, MA

#47409 Jan 18, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Science changes it theories when there is a valid reason to do so. This requires objectively testable evidence. Note that VERY important word "objective" - the entire point to science (valid science, anyway) is that every scientist who looks at the data will be able to come to the same conclusion.
When a bone is dug up, you can indeed say for certain that something died. And if you are well educated in the topic, you can identify the animal that died, and the bone and other evidence can tell you when the animal died, how old it was, its health, and many other factors as well.
Identifying what the animal was from the bone is hardly science and more related to simple knowledge. Not all knowledge is science. Don't confuse the 2. How old it was is a myth that you can tell. We rely heavily on carbon dating, the variable being the amount of crabon in the atmosphere, the location of the earth in space, the location of the galaxy, the universe and the multi-verses and whatever maybe beyond that. Science is a good thing, but it is hardly the only thing. Too many thing science cannot explain.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#47410 Jan 18, 2013
Beans, you have good thoughts. I like 'em. I don't think I'm almost anywhere. I simply can't understand how people can just believe in something cause they read a book or heard a story. I like to live from experience. I also am a firm believer that you learn from doing and experimenting. Scientists (if I were a good one) experiment and think. They ask hard questions that are not simple to answer. Let's assume that I was almost a scientist, but not quite a scientist, maybe a realist like an engineer, how would I address the concept of God?

Maybe I'd look for any kind of proof. I'd fail to find any. I'd find lots of stories and testimonies, but no one would be able to answer my simple questions. I might try to harness this energy somehow? Can we capture God in a glass? I'd maybe do some experiments. One that comes to mind is to bring a child to term. Raise the child in an isolated cube. No external influences. No teachings. Would this child by nature know God? After a full life in isolation with no foreign influences, I'd test the theory that we have God within. My guess is that this child would not know God any better than the American indians knew when the white man came to the new world. Of course, figuring this out would be a challenge. The problem with this problem of God and religion and science is that we tend to vary too many variables.

In conducting investigations, the most common mistake is to ignore the impacts of variables upon variables.

Peace out Beans ... Saw your response and didn't make the connection, then again, I was cat at that moment. Multipersonalities are hard to control :)-
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47414 Jan 19, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you are very class-conscious and think much of yourself.
Of these types, usually others do not share this view.
You may want to re-think your view of yourself and the world.
People may be laughing at you behind your back. In fact, I would bet money on it.
<quoted text>
Once again you place yourself and your values above those of your god. In the last exchange you said that when looking at yourself in the mirror, you were in fact looking at your god.
You're displaying more delusions of grandeur.
Try and keep your ego in check.
<quoted text>
And by contrast and implication, you are not.
This is what you're saying.
Come down off your high horse.
<quoted text>
And none of them ever say "mon"?
This is quite difficult to believe, mon.
<quoted text>
The laws of science (or even the social sciences) are not suspended in your shiny presence.
Being gay is nothing to be ashamed of.
It's OK.
HughBe-- I am unable to relate to the MANY.

Former---This sounds very elitist.

HughBe-- regardless of sounds, the reality is, it is factual.

Former--I know you are very class-conscious and think much of yourself.

HughBe--MANY is not being used in the way that you have interpreted it. I thought that you were following the conversation.
The issue is not class. What I am saying is that I don't know of MANY Jamaicans saying MON. Get it?

Former--Of these types, usually others do not share this view.

HughBe--- Listen very carefully, it matters not what others think. What is important is the opinion of God first and foremost and next what makes my conscience free.

Former--You may want to re-think your view of yourself and the world.

HughBe--- A thousand lives from now.

Former--People may be laughing at you behind your back. In fact, I would bet money on it.

HughBe--- Fools tend to do that.

Former--I don't believe your god would approve.

HughBe--- I approve and so my god approves.

Former--Once again you place yourself and your values above those of your god. In the last exchange you said that when looking at yourself in the mirror, you were in fact looking at your god.

HughBe--- A laughing moment but I shall not laugh given the serious nature of your lack of understanding.

Former--You're displaying more delusions of grandeur.

HughBe--- Again you understand little. I am not suffering from any "delusions of grandeur" you are not understanding my words. Let me take this opportunity to say this and my saying it will not take away from the fact that you have not understood my words.

I have REAL reasons to feel good about myself.

Former--Try and keep your ego in check.

HughBe--- It was NEVER about ego. Try and get understanding.

Former--Many Jamaicans speak this way.

HughBe--- That means that Jamaicans are straightforward people.
And by contrast and implication, you are not.

This is what you're saying.

HughBe--- Your words reflect a lack of understanding.

Former---Come down off your high horse.

HughBe--- The word COME is noted but I shall not descend from where God has placed me.

Former--And none of them ever say "mon"?

HughBe--- I don't know about the EVER but I have no memory of it plus knowing them does not translate into interacting on a regular basis with them.

Former--This is quite difficult to believe, mon.

HughBe-- What must I say except that you tend not to believe TRUTH.

Former--Being gay is nothing to be ashamed of.It's OK.

HughBe--- Correct it is something for medical and psychological treatment. "It's ok" to get the needed help. There is no shame in getting help.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47415 Jan 19, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the subjective sentiment expressed.
May god cure your willfull illiteracy and keep it so.
Maat--Thanks for the subjective sentiment expressed.

HughBe--- You're welcome

Maat---May god cure your willfull illiteracy and keep it so

HughBe--- Any cure from God is good and welcomed. May God cure you of ALL that afflicts you.
former res

Broomall, PA

#47416 Jan 19, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>...I thought that you were following the conversation...
You need to get a new rap.

Everytimg someone disagrees with you and/or points out your hypocrisy, inconsistency, or faulty logic - you try in vain to explain it away by saying they simply don't understand or aren't "following the conversation."

This rings quite hollow.

Continuing to go back and show you your own words becomes tedious and tiresome, and frankly, boring.

You are a walking contradiction, insincere and certainly not a serious thinker.

In short, you're in way over you head, my shiny Jamaican friend.
SamBee

Orlando, FL

#47417 Jan 19, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Maat--Thanks for the subjective sentiment expressed.
HughBe--- You're welcome
Maat---May god cure your willfull illiteracy and keep it so
HughBe--- Any cure from God is good and welcomed. May God cure you of ALL that afflicts you.
HugeBe Shalum,

I think you might can use this.

What Edomite Jews believe
http://iamthewitness.com/audiobooks/the%20pro...

I have much more if you would like to find out more about these serpent people.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47421 Jan 19, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to get a new rap.
Everytimg someone disagrees with you and/or points out your hypocrisy, inconsistency, or faulty logic - you try in vain to explain it away by saying they simply don't understand or aren't "following the conversation."
This rings quite hollow.
Continuing to go back and show you your own words becomes tedious and tiresome, and frankly, boring.
You are a walking contradiction, insincere and certainly not a serious thinker.
In short, you're in way over you head, my shiny Jamaican friend.
HughBe--- Please read what follows in 1,2,3 and 4 and tell me if you are an IDIOT or a JACKASS. Thanks.

You are NOT understanding the conversation and the BS that you speak of in number 4 highlights this fact. There is no "hypocrisy, inconsistency, or faulty logic" you are just a plain JACKASS.

(1) Post 47123

Former--You are from a culture that does not say "mon"? Though MANY of your fellow citizens do??
(what is the meaning of your MANY?)

(2)Post 47155

Former--Though MANY of your fellow citizens do??
(what is the meaning of your MANY?)

HughBe--- The circles that I move in don't speak like that and frankly I don't know of the MANY that you speak of.

(3)Post 47414

HughBe-- I am unable to relate to the MANY.

Former---This sounds very elitist.

HughBe-- regardless of sounds, the reality is, it is factual.

Former--I know you are very class-conscious and think much of yourself.

HughBe--MANY is not being used in the way that you have interpreted it. I thought that you were following the conversation.
The issue is not class. What I am saying is that I don't know of MANY Jamaicans saying MON. Get it?

(4)Post 47416

Former---Everytimg someone disagrees with you and/or points out your hypocrisy, inconsistency, or faulty logic - you try in vain to explain it away by saying they simply don't understand or aren't "following the conversation."
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47422 Jan 19, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to get a new rap.
Everytimg someone disagrees with you and/or points out your hypocrisy, inconsistency, or faulty logic - you try in vain to explain it away by saying they simply don't understand or aren't "following the conversation."
This rings quite hollow.
Continuing to go back and show you your own words becomes tedious and tiresome, and frankly, boring.
You are a walking contradiction, insincere and certainly not a serious thinker.
In short, you're in way over you head, my shiny Jamaican friend.
Jackass brain, read and understand.

Former--You are from a culture that does not say "mon"? Though MANY of your fellow citizens do??

(HughBe---what is the meaning of your MANY?)

HughBe---What I am saying is that I don't know of MANY Jamaicans saying MON. Get it?

Former---Everytimg someone disagrees with you and/or points out your hypocrisy, inconsistency, or faulty logic - you try in vain to explain it away by saying they simply don't understand or aren't "following the conversation.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47423 Jan 19, 2013
SamBee wrote:
<quoted text>
HugeBe Shalum,
I think you might can use this.
What Edomite Jews believe
http://iamthewitness.com/audiobooks/the%20pro...
I have much more if you would like to find out more about these serpent people.
Thanks Sambee but this one is good enough plus I see for own self how the Judahites conduct themselves using DECEPTION, LIES, SLANDER etc.

In addition, by reading the newspapers one can learn a lot.
Voluntarist

United States

#47424 Jan 19, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, breach, disorderly - whatever they want to call it.
But by your example it would have been legal for the store owner to hit the customer for what he did.
Piers morgan - short of yelling fire in a crowded theater - can say whatever he wants to (direct threats/defamation notwithstanding).
He mentioned "popping" alex jones with an assault weapon with his brothers uniform on.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#47428 Jan 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Later life:
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
Hey, boy. I have a very simple, straight-forward question for you. No spin, no equivication, no nonsense, just a simple "yes" or "no" answer. We will see if you can do this. You know a grown human being who enters into the state of "marriage" with an 8-year old child. Are you looking at that person as some sort of "Holy" person or elevating him to some sort of almost deified status? Don't answer with a paragraph, just answer "yes," or "no." Is it somehow "Holy," or "Godly," or however you would prefer to phrase it to make it honorable and upstanding for a grown human adult to enter into such a union in the first place, or is it an abomination? Don't be a coward in your answer, Muq. Just answer, "yes" or "no." This is either honrable behavior or it is not.
former res

Broomall, PA

#47431 Jan 20, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe--- Please read what follows in 1,2,3 and 4 and tell me if you are an IDIOT or a JACKASS. Thanks...
Thank you, too.

Your quotes do not address my points which I have kept to myself.

As I mentioned..."Continuing to go back and show you your own words becomes tedious and tiresome, and frankly, boring."

So I will take a pass on doing so.

We can move on.

I will use fresh material moving forward to point out your silly and inconsistent ways.

It will be like shooting fish in a barrel.
former res

Broomall, PA

#47432 Jan 20, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
He mentioned "popping" alex jones with an assault weapon with his brothers uniform on.
Would I have to do my own research in order to prove your point or will you show what you're talking about?

Either a transcript or a clip would help.

We usually back up our words around here...
Voluntarist

United States

#47433 Jan 20, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Would I have to do my own research in order to prove your point or will you show what you're talking about?
Either a transcript or a clip would help.
We usually back up our words around here...
Piers Morgan and Guests Discuss Shooting Alex Jones
Daily Beast writer Buzz Bissinger says Piers Morgan should “pop”
Alex Jones with a semi-automatic weapon.
Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
January 8, 2013
CNN and the gun grabbing media are now calling for Alex Jones to be
shot the day after his heated appearance with Piers Morgan.
In a segment on Piers Morgan’s CNN program, sports columnist for the
Daily Beast, Buzz Bissinger, shockingly states:
“I don’t care what the justification is that you’re allowed in this
country to own a semi-automatic weapon – much less a handgun. But
what do you need a semi-automatic weapon for? The only reason I
think you’d need it is, Piers, challenge Alex Jones to a boxing match,
show up with a semi-automatic that you got legally and pop him.”
Abby Huntsman (Huffington Post):“I’d love to see that…[laughter] in
uniform.”
Piers Morgan:“I’ll borrow my brothers uniform.”

http://www.infowars.com/veiled-threat-piers-m...

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