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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45485 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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already addressed multiple times
please move on
Only in your head but not in reality.

YOOU and your overlords have REPLACED God's words with man-made nonsense. All I am doing is pointing to what is in the scriptures and I SHALL continue to do so.

YOOOU and your masters want to replace the Jewish people who do not want to be enslaved by them.
Now read slooooly once more. Ask for help in understanding my words.

Frijoles--Jews are am ETHNO-RELIGIOUS group - see above

HughBe--- In the given context, explain ethno-religious.
I am waiting for you to explain ethno-religious in the context that many Jews are NOT religious period and also in the context that you and your rabbis persist with BLATANT LIES.

The 10 Northern tribes of Israel did NOT observe JUDAISM. An understanding of these things say that yOU are a LIAR and of course your rabbis.
Plus God called them Israel and Jews e.g. Jeremiah 44. Do you want me to refresh your memory? I taught YOU this truth already but here goes.
Jeremiah 44:1 "The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the JEWS which dwell in the land of Egypt"
HughBe---Do you see the word JEWS?
Verse 15-16 "Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto OTHER gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,
16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, WE will NOT hearken unto thee."

HughBe---Indeed classic Judaism being displayed i.e. the REJECTION of God and His TRUTH. Now the incense goes to the rabbis.
ANSWER THIS---- what religion

NOTE: You have subsequently stated that it was Judaism. So ALL the evil etc. that God spoke of was Juaism. Excellent point, Frijoles.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45486 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Which covenant are you referring to?
Irrelevant. My point is that a COVENANT was made with Israel or a people with an existing IDENTITY of Israelites. Is this true?

Don't feel that you can engage me on the matter of the covenants because you are NOT equipped to do so, not even your masters.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45487 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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You are back to evangelizing again. Not helpful.
Sit in the penalty box.
Change strategy it will not work

Frijoles---The Northern kingdom was practicing the type of Judaism that was common from that time. Judaism has never been static, it evolves with the times

HughBe--- They were in IDOLATRY. They REJECTED God and His words and that is why they went into captivity. So I will not contest that you are CORRECT about it being "Judaism" BUT it was NOT what God commanded.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45488 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
My point, Jews had a Jewish IDENTITY before they got "Judaism". They had a Jewish IDENTITY when God made a covenant with them.
rabbee: well hughbee dooby doo, i know what you are trying to say. but your, screwing it up neverless. but 3800 years ago, there was no such title as jew, jewish, or judism. those fake titles, from he subtle beasts only apply to them falsly today. the judaism of today, is not the religion of the multitues yesterdays with Moshe in TheTorah. todays judaism, don't even claim to be here in TheTorah any more. it quit being the same religion of Avraham, Yeetzak, Yaachov, Yoseph, Moshe and the multitudes when they crossed the yordan river. and it gradually went downhill from there. and continually sliding downhill, untill it has become the more corrupted religion it is today. cause they quit believing, we are all here in TheStory of Creation from G-D again.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45489 Dec 13, 2012
Please read the passages below along with Frijoles comments. I have inserted Judaism to facilitate understanding and because Frijoles said that the Northern tribes were practising Judaism. Judge for yourselves.

Frijoles---The Northern kingdom was practicing the type of Judaism that was common from that time. Judaism has never been static, it evolves with the times

HughBe--- They were in IDOLATRY. They REJECTED God and His words and that is why they went into captivity. So I will not contest that you are CORRECT about it being "Judaism" BUT it was NOT what God commanded

2 Kings 17

And walked in the statutes of the heathen, whom the Lord cast out from before the children of Israel, and of the kings of Israel, which they had made.

9 And the children of Israel did secretly those things that were NOT right(or JUDAISM) against the Lord their God, and they built them high places in all their cities, from the tower of the watchmen to the fenced city.

10 And they set them up images(JUDAISM) and groves in every high hill, and under every green tree:

11 And there they burnt incense in all the high places, as did the heathen whom the Lord carried away before them; and wrought wicked things to provoke the Lord to anger:

12 For they served idols(JUDAISM), whereof the Lord had said unto them, Ye shall NOT DO this thing.

13 Yet the Lord testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil(JUDAISM) ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.

14 Notwithstanding THEY WOULD NOT HEAR, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the Lord their God.

15 And they REJECTED his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen(JUDAISM) that were round about them, concerning whom the Lord had charged them, that they should NOT DO like them
Voluntarist

United States

#45490 Dec 13, 2012
former res wrote:
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wow!
A right winger who's also a homophobe?!
Go figure!
:))
[Note: Libertarians are simply right wing nuts who don't want to pay their taxes. And they really hate poor people. Students, blacks, gays etc.]
"their taxes" as if one mans portion could be measurable when so many others are sucking off the government.
Why do you pretend to think that I am a "homophobe"?
I actually had a queer Guy I hired as manager about 6 years ago, you would think a homophobe would be afraid if hiring one.
Voluntarist

United States

#45491 Dec 13, 2012
former res wrote:
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Why has all this escaped the lame-stream media?
Is it only on your secret website?
Do I need a decoder ring to access it?
;)
Don't be foolish, you know the media gets government funds.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45492 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles, the Jew, calls the RELIGIOUS practices of the Northern tribes, JUDAISM so LEARN about Judaism .

It is in YOUR bibles not just mine and there is much more.

Note that Judaism was heavy into IDOLATRY, Children sacrifices, and EVIL it is all there.

2 Kings 17

And they left ALL the commandments of the Lord their God, and made them molten images(JUDAISM), even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven(JUDAISM), and served Baal(JUDAISM).

17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire(JUDAISM), and used divination and enchantments(JUDAISM), and sold themselves to do evil(JUDAISM) in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45493 Dec 13, 2012
enough time spent.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45494 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Former--Being gay is not simply a behavior.
HughBe-- Correct, it is a MENTAL health matter.
rabbee: it is a depraved, mental plague condition, resulting from the furthering corruption of this whole world against G-D. that you are all, responsible for. it is a warning flag, that you do not even want to associate with.

it is the revoulting and loathsome worship of haloosefer, even worse the abominable baby murder worship of baal hamolech. and the disgusting legalized humanitarianizem animalization of the worship of hasatan. they overlord the animal kingdom, and not over peoples. but if they can sucker you, into their animal kingdoms, then you are theirs to do with as they do not please G-D with.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45495 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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You never gave us your definition of a Juadite.
Since that word is not found anywhere, except apparently for your own private vocabulary, we must rely on your good graces to tell us what you mean.
rabbee: well to he/she/it, it appears to mean a follower of judas the snitch.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45496 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---You never gave us your definition of a Juadite.
HughBe--- Untrue I did many times. Judaites= members of Judaism
I also asked you to post a link to demonstrate the concept had validity from anyplace other than your head.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45497 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Irrelevant. My point is that a COVENANT was made with Israel or a people with an existing IDENTITY of Israelites. Is this true?
Don't feel that you can engage me on the matter of the covenants because you are NOT equipped to do so, not even your masters.
Which covenant? There were several.

Focus!
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45498 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Change strategy it will not work
Frijoles---The Northern kingdom was practicing the type of Judaism that was common from that time. Judaism has never been static, it evolves with the times
HughBe--- They were in IDOLATRY. They REJECTED God and His words and that is why they went into captivity. So I will not contest that you are CORRECT about it being "Judaism" BUT it was NOT what God commanded.
Double penalty box for that

Give me a ring if you feel like not evangelicizing for a while.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45499 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Was Abraham an idea? Why do WE call the idea Abraham a PATRIARCH?
Every idiot knows that one man, Abraham, is NOT a people.
Israel is the father of the Israelites.
What is your private definition of Israelites?
rabbee: nah! Yesrael, is TheColloquialFather of All the Evareem. and Moshe is TheEvareem Progenitor of the multitude Ysraelees. with Moshe as TheSurrogate addopeted Father, of all the other nations representatives. so there goes, all the dna test for alleged as jews.

since being an alleged as a jew, is not dependant on race, or nationality. and is soley dependant, on TheG-D being worshiped. and is supposed reject, all other not here in TheTorah Happening g-d/s. even if they are obviosly not, doing a good job of that today.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#45500 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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You are over thinking this.
If you dont feel Irish, and you are not aware* of your genetics, and you live here in the US - how COULD you be Irish?
*unawareness is key here
Fat, black, Chinese(arguably), female, male, short, fat are objectively discerned
Irish ethnicity is not. I have no idea what an Irish-American person looks like that is different from, let say, a Fin or a Pole.
Really?

I do. But then again I am one.

Look at the Kennedys and their big heads - Irish! Plus Ted was a drunk in his younger days.

There are markers, though as I said an inexact science.

The DNA test is not exact either - more so for for African, Indian and Jewish ancestry.

"European testing

Further information: Genetic history of Europe

For people with European maternal ancestry, mtDNA tests are offered to determine which of eight European maternal "clans" the direct-line maternal ancestor belonged to. This mtDNA haplotype test was popularized in the book The Seven Daughters of Eve.

SNP testing may enable mostly European individuals to determine to which Sub-European population they belong:
Northern European subgroup (NOR)- mostly Northern and Southwestern European
Southeastern European (Mediterranean) subgroup (MED)- mostly Southeastern Europeans (Greeks, Albanians or Turks)
Middle Eastern subgroup (MIDEAS)- mostly Middle Eastern
South Asian subgroup (SA)- mostly South Asian from the Indian sub-continent (i.e. Indian)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA...
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45501 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Irrelevant. My point is that a COVENANT was made with Israel or a people with an existing IDENTITY of Israelites. Is this true?
Don't feel that you can engage me on the matter of the covenants because you are NOT equipped to do so, not even your masters.
rabbee: yes! and their would have been, a hell of a lot more of them than about 11million today. had they of continued to be true to HaShem G-D, here in TheStory of Physical Creation again. and would have diminished the chances, that the subtle beast of the fields, could of decieved the grandmother of this whole world again. or reduced the possiblity of her, tricking me again. without the effort of the whole world, giving their aid and comfort to the enemy of G-D.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#45502 Dec 13, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Please study what follows and be guided accordingly.
What's the opposite of "above me?"
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Tell me about the RELIGION that children who are/were born to secular Jews meaning atheists etc would leave.
Former--If you are not born into a religion and you do not adopt one, you have no religion to leave.
HughBe--- That is my point make the connection to your ethnoreligious BS about Jews and them LEAVING their religion.
Individuals Jews who have no relgion are only ethnic Jews, not religious Jews.

The Jewish people as whole are an ethnoreligious people.
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--What RELIGION would your children who were born after you became an atheist LEAVE?
Former--None. They were born to sensible father, thank god!
HughBe--- sit and THINK and make the connections. Atheists Jews are no different than you. Note, for Christianity no one is BORN a Christian it is NOT a RACE of people UNLIKE Jews. Take my words as GOSPEL.
Atheist Jews are still ethno-Jews and I am still ethno-Irish.
HughBe wrote:
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Are you and your masters GREATER than God?
What do you mean by "God"?

Evidence, please.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#45504 Dec 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
You are over thinking this.
If you dont feel Irish, and you are not aware* of your genetics, and you live here in the US - how COULD you be Irish?
*unawareness is key here
Fat, black, Chinese(arguably), female, male, short, fat are objectively discerned
Irish ethnicity is not. I have no idea what an Irish-American person looks like that is different from, let say, a Fin or a Pole.
What about some Irish folks having a gene for alcoholism?

What if a child who had been dopped off at the town square later grew up to have semitic features and then went onto develop Tay Sachs disease?

I think one has his determining DNA regardless of whether he knows it or not.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45505 Dec 13, 2012
To Hughbe,

University of Iowa Will Now Ask Incoming Students If They Are Gay

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/12/...

Gay rights progress: Nothing in 2012, besides adorable cat videos, has helped restore my faith in humanity as the clear turning of the tide in favor of gay marriage. But the year is not over yet, and there's more joy to be had courtesy of this story about the University of Iowa including questions about sexual orientation on its forms for incoming students.

The move is in response to LGBT groups pointing out that asking the question can help the university know how many resources to allocate for queer students, which is a sensible, bureaucratic thing to do. But the move also signals a seismic shift in our culture: This is not a question that could have been asked of college students a few years ago.....

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