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Conservative UT students to stage 'immigrant game'

There are 408 comments on the KVUE.com story from Nov 18, 2013, titled Conservative UT students to stage 'immigrant game'. In it, KVUE.com reports that:

A conservative student group announced Monday they will play a "Catch an Illegal Immigrant Game" this week on the University of Texas at Austin, drawing condemnation from Democrats and a threat of expulsion from campus officials.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#424 Dec 10, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Stop making excuses for bad actors!
How is that an excuse?

If the proof is there as you keep claiming, then they will be convicted of hate crimes.

I don't know why you're still crying about it.

Personally I think they should string the little bastards up in the town square and let their surviving victims stick hot pokers up their ass till they're dead.

But that's just my version of justice.

“THE LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#425 Dec 10, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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How is that an excuse?
If the proof is there as you keep claiming, then they will be convicted of hate crimes.
I don't know why you're still crying about it.
Personally I think they should string the little bastards up in the town square and let their surviving victims stick hot pokers up their ass till they're dead.
But that's just my version of justice.
Since you agree with me, why do you keep arguing? Do you like to hear yourself talk?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#426 Dec 10, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Since you agree with me, why do you keep arguing? Do you like to hear yourself talk?
I never agreed with your claim there is proof these were hate crimes.

I said "IF" there is proof...

“THE LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#427 Dec 10, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I never agreed with your claim there is proof these were hate crimes.
I said "IF" there is proof...
You agree with me ,why do you keep arguing?
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#430 Dec 19, 2013
Cricket 23 wrote:
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I never said it was,but it sure pisses me off when illegal aliens come here and do it!
It's even worse when politicians wrap themselves in the flag and pretend they represent anyone other than the rich guy who paid him. Nothing desecrates the flag more than using it to advance the fascist agenda of the GOP.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#433 Dec 23, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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. You also have republicans in some critical governmental positions sabotaging the economy at every turn.

Detroit didn't fall in a day, it took decades of planning by the GOP bosses. They are doing the same thing to the rest of the country, with much success. No wonder people are talking about the elimination of the middle class.
The "Democrats" have been in charge for the past 5 years!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#434 Dec 23, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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It's even worse when politicians wrap themselves in the flag and pretend they represent anyone other than the rich guy who paid him. Nothing desecrates the flag more than using it to advance the fascist agenda of the GOP.

The Democrats have been in charge for the past 5 years!
Oldglory

Coachella, CA

#435 Dec 23, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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It's even worse when politicians wrap themselves in the flag and pretend they represent anyone other than the rich guy who paid him. Nothing desecrates the flag more than using it to advance the fascist agenda of the GOP.
What is even worse is that you think that it is only the GOP that is on the dole to their corporate masters. Both parties are guilty of the same thing! Fascist agenda? The Democrats have a socialist, anti-American agenda to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens so they can continue to compete for jobs at lower wages "legally". Most of these low wage earners will also end up on the government dole.
Don Joe

Maple Grove, MN

#438 Jan 2, 2014
Oldglory wrote:
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What is even worse is that you think that it is only the GOP that is on the dole to their corporate masters. Both parties are guilty of the same thing! Fascist agenda? The Democrats have a socialist, anti-American agenda to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens so they can continue to compete for jobs at lower wages "legally". Most of these low wage earners will also end up on the government dole.
What gives you the opinion that I only think the GOP is guilty? Yes both parties are guilty of the fascist agenda, so much so that we have a fascist government, and all the problems associated with that fascism. The democrats are not socialist, they are fascists just like the GOP. How could anyone complain about the loss of freedom the GOP instituted with the signing of the Pat Act, and then support Obama's continuation and extension of that loss of freedom?

The democrats don't want to do anything about immigration because it is part of their base. The GOP don't want to do anything because it provides big corporations with cheap labor. Neither will act against the flooding of our labor pool, to further reduce wages and benefits.
Oldglory

Coachella, CA

#439 Jan 2, 2014
Don Joe wrote:
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What gives you the opinion that I only think the GOP is guilty? Yes both parties are guilty of the fascist agenda, so much so that we have a fascist government, and all the problems associated with that fascism. The democrats are not socialist, they are fascists just like the GOP. How could anyone complain about the loss of freedom the GOP instituted with the signing of the Pat Act, and then support Obama's continuation and extension of that loss of freedom?
The democrats don't want to do anything about immigration because it is part of their base. The GOP don't want to do anything because it provides big corporations with cheap labor. Neither will act against the flooding of our labor pool, to further reduce wages and benefits.
Oh, I don't know perhaps it was this statement by you. " Nothing desecrates the flag more than using it to advance the fascist agenda of the GOP".

As for illegal immigration if you think that corporations/businesses are only run by Republicans then you aren't dealing in reality. In fact it is mostly mid to small businesses that hire illegal aliens many times they are owned by a Democrat The Democrats have another ulterior motive and that is to retain the ethnocentric Hispanic voter that thinks their ethnic group should be above our immigration laws and rewarded for breaking them. The Republicans are the ones fighting amnesty not the Democrats even though a few of them are caving in foolishly thinking that they will sway the Hispanic vote.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#440 Jan 7, 2014
Oldglory wrote:
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Oh, I don't know perhaps it was this statement by you. " Nothing desecrates the flag more than using it to advance the fascist agenda of the GOP".
As for illegal immigration if you think that corporations/businesses are only run by Republicans then you aren't dealing in reality. In fact it is mostly mid to small businesses that hire illegal aliens many times they are owned by a Democrat The Democrats have another ulterior motive and that is to retain the ethnocentric Hispanic voter that thinks their ethnic group should be above our immigration laws and rewarded for breaking them. The Republicans are the ones fighting amnesty not the Democrats even though a few of them are caving in foolishly thinking that they will sway the Hispanic vote.
Oh, I see. You belong to the group of philosophers who believe you must either be a democrat or a republican. No one can actually have their own opinions. A person must parrot the propaganda from the party of choice.

It is silly to think the republicans are fighting amnesty. They could stop the problem any time they wanted, by simply reversing the Reagan policy not to enforce the law against employers who break the law by hiring illegals. The laws already exist; they are simply not enforced due to Reagan. If the government would simply start fining large corporations who break the law out of existence, the problem would be gone in less than one year.

With that said, it doesn't mean the democrats are any better. The GOP wants more and more illegals, because it feeds their corporate coffers. The dems want more and more because it increases their base. Both parties gain, the public loses, yet no changes.

We don't have an illegal immigrant problem, we have an illegal employer problem. While you can argue that the immigrant did a one-on break of the law, the corporations break the law by the millions. No point going after the one-on, because the corporation will just bring more in. Going after the corporations ends the problem.

So, do you have a defense of the GOP using the flag to push their fascist agenda? I don't buy the argument that, "Well, the democrats do bad things too." What the other side does doesn't excuse your bad behavior.
Oldglory

Coachella, CA

#441 Jan 7, 2014
Don Joe wrote:
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Oh, I see. You belong to the group of philosophers who believe you must either be a democrat or a republican. No one can actually have their own opinions. A person must parrot the propaganda from the party of choice.
It is silly to think the republicans are fighting amnesty. They could stop the problem any time they wanted, by simply reversing the Reagan policy not to enforce the law against employers who break the law by hiring illegals. The laws already exist; they are simply not enforced due to Reagan. If the government would simply start fining large corporations who break the law out of existence, the problem would be gone in less than one year.
With that said, it doesn't mean the democrats are any better. The GOP wants more and more illegals, because it feeds their corporate coffers. The dems want more and more because it increases their base. Both parties gain, the public loses, yet no changes.
We don't have an illegal immigrant problem, we have an illegal employer problem. While you can argue that the immigrant did a one-on break of the law, the corporations break the law by the millions. No point going after the one-on, because the corporation will just bring more in. Going after the corporations ends the problem.
So, do you have a defense of the GOP using the flag to push their fascist agenda? I don't buy the argument that, "Well, the democrats do bad things too." What the other side does doesn't excuse your bad behavior.
Nope! I believe in forming one's own opinion by researching the facts and voting for a politician based on those facts and that reflects your own views on the issues. What gets me is when someone like you makes derogatory remarks about the GOP without also looking at the negative things about the Democrats and vice versa. That is what I got from your remark about the flag and facism.

The GOP stopped amnesty when Bush, Jr. was president so I don't know where you are getting this. The House which is comprised of more Republicans than Democrats stopped the Senate amnesty that was passed this past year. Again, so what are you talking about? Most GOPers are still against amnesty even thought there has been a few sellouts.

It takes a majority in congress to implement e-verify which will put a stop to these greedy employers hiring illegal aliens and I don't see that it is only the Republicans who are stopping this but the Democrats to. It isn't just the GOP that is feeding their corporate masters either. The Democrats are just as guilty. They want amnesty so they will have future Democrat voters also. That's why they back a path to citizenship for them. They are also pandering to ethnocentric Hispanic citizens who want this amnesty also.

I don't understand your claim that the GOP is flashing the flag for their fascist agenda. The Democrats are about socialism and neither one is good for our country. I oppose the nonsense on both sides of the aisle but IMO the Democrats are slightly worse that's all.

Both the businesses that hire illegal aliens and the illegal aliens are equally guilty, IMO. Actually, the truth is that it is mostly mid-sized to smaller companies that hire illegal aliens not big corporations.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#442 Jan 7, 2014
Oldglory wrote:
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Nope! I believe in forming one's own opinion by researching the facts and voting for a politician based on those facts and that reflects your own views on the issues. What gets me is when someone like you makes derogatory remarks about the GOP without also looking at the negative things about the Democrats and vice versa. That is what I got from your remark about the flag and facism.
The GOP stopped amnesty when Bush, Jr. was president so I don't know where you are getting this. The House which is comprised of more Republicans than Democrats stopped the Senate amnesty that was passed this past year. Again, so what are you talking about? Most GOPers are still against amnesty even thought there has been a few sellouts.
It takes a majority in congress to implement e-verify which will put a stop to these greedy employers hiring illegal aliens and I don't see that it is only the Republicans who are stopping this but the Democrats to. It isn't just the GOP that is feeding their corporate masters either. The Democrats are just as guilty. They want amnesty so they will have future Democrat voters also. That's why they back a path to citizenship for them. They are also pandering to ethnocentric Hispanic citizens who want this amnesty also.
I don't understand your claim that the GOP is flashing the flag for their fascist agenda. The Democrats are about socialism and neither one is good for our country. I oppose the nonsense on both sides of the aisle but IMO the Democrats are slightly worse that's all.
Both the businesses that hire illegal aliens and the illegal aliens are equally guilty, IMO. Actually, the truth is that it is mostly mid-sized to smaller companies that hire illegal aliens not big corporations.
I guess you haven't seen many of my posts. I typically disagree with both parties. Neither is in any way acceptable. I opposed the Pat Act when bush pushed it through congress and signed it. It did not become better when Obama extended it. Those acts alone makes both parties completely unacceptable. Additionally, you have the Heritage foundation creation of Obama care. I opposed it when the GOP created it, and when Obama pushed it through and signed it.

There are occasional posts when a person blindly supports a party, that I oppose. You saw one of those posts. You can easily look back to my other posts and see I can't support either party.

When I see comments such as Obama and the liberals are socialists/commies, I strongly disagree. Both major parties are fascists. We have a strongly fascist government. The corporate entities pay enough to own most politicians, and they hire lobbyists to write all our laws. That by definition is fascist. I am not claiming they are good for the country, just not socialist, nor communist. We do not have a democratic republic.

When I mentioned amnesty, I referred to Reagan and how he arbitrarily and unilaterally changed the US policy regarding enforcement against corporations who hire illegals. It doesn't really matter if it is giant corporations, or smaller corporations, as it floods the labor pool, decreasing wages for all workers, including those in large corporations. Simply changing that policy would solve the problem, but neither party will do it. Right now, it could be fixed by Obama simply reversing Reagan directive. The GOP could put pressure on Obama and he caves to every republican whim.

If you really thought both were equally guilty, then you would oppose both, instead of just blaming the immigrants. I can understand the immigrant situation. They come here to get a better life, to help feed their families when there are no opportunities in their countries. The problem is that the opportunities we used to have are gone. It becomes a struggle to simply survive in this fascism.
Oldglory

Coachella, CA

#443 Jan 7, 2014
Where did I say that I just blame the illegal aliens? I said they are equally guilty and they are. And by the way, they aren't "immigrants".
I DO oppose both and I said so. It's nonsense that they have no opportunities in their own countries. It is just that our jobs pay better but then our cost of living is higher also. If they put off child bearing and stayed in school they'd find more opportunity in their own countries. It isn't just jobs that draws them here. They know full well all they have to do is give birth on our soil and they will be entitled to all kinds of government handouts.

They want feed their families while breaking our laws and at the expense of Americans not being able to feed theirs I don't know about you but I'd don't find this an admirable trait.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#444 Jan 8, 2014
Oldglory wrote:
Where did I say that I just blame the illegal aliens? I said they are equally guilty and they are. And by the way, they aren't "immigrants".
I DO oppose both and I said so. It's nonsense that they have no opportunities in their own countries. It is just that our jobs pay better but then our cost of living is higher also. If they put off child bearing and stayed in school they'd find more opportunity in their own countries. It isn't just jobs that draws them here. They know full well all they have to do is give birth on our soil and they will be entitled to all kinds of government handouts.
They want feed their families while breaking our laws and at the expense of Americans not being able to feed theirs I don't know about you but I'd don't find this an admirable trait.
I disagree with your claim they are equally guilty. If one person comes here and deceitfully takes a job, there is very modest damage done to our laws, and to the citizens of the United States. It is still a crime, but the damage is modest. If a corporation hires thousands of "illegals" as you call them, they have broken the law thousands of times and the damage is significant.

Thus the crime of the employer is thousands of times worse than the single "illegal."

Which raises the question, why do you go after the "illegal" and mostly ignore the crime that is thousands of times worse? That is like ignoring mass murderers to go after those who jay-walk. Besides, if you stop the corporations from their illegal activity, you also stop the illegal immigration. While you say you oppose both, I only hear you bad mouthing the non-citizens.

We might also put congress in this bad list as they have been pushing to allow more illegals into the nation, when about 50% of the American Citizens are not engaged in the economy. We need to almost double the number of jobs available before we let anyone else in.
Oldglory

Coachella, CA

#445 Jan 8, 2014
Don Joe wrote:
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I disagree with your claim they are equally guilty. If one person comes here and deceitfully takes a job, there is very modest damage done to our laws, and to the citizens of the United States. It is still a crime, but the damage is modest. If a corporation hires thousands of "illegals" as you call them, they have broken the law thousands of times and the damage is significant.
Thus the crime of the employer is thousands of times worse than the single "illegal."
Which raises the question, why do you go after the "illegal" and mostly ignore the crime that is thousands of times worse? That is like ignoring mass murderers to go after those who jay-walk. Besides, if you stop the corporations from their illegal activity, you also stop the illegal immigration. While you say you oppose both, I only hear you bad mouthing the non-citizens.
We might also put congress in this bad list as they have been pushing to allow more illegals into the nation, when about 50% of the American Citizens are not engaged in the economy. We need to almost double the number of jobs available before we let anyone else in.
Modest damage? You must be kidding. They take jobs they aren't entitled to and that leaves and unemployed American, reduce wages and increase our taxes. Add crime to our communities (including stealing ID's and SS numbers) overburden our jails, schools and hospitals. You call that "modest damage" (insert rolling eyes here). They break as many laws as the businesses that hire them and actually more. As an analogy I think the guy driving the get-away car during a robbery is just as guilty as the robber. Apparently, you don't? You're analogy stinks. Mass murderers aren't accomplices to jay walkers and vice versa. We can't go after murderers and jay walkers both at the same time? Not only that but comparing jay walkers with murderers is a ridiculous analogy to illegal aliens and their employers.

Where are you getting that I am ignoring the crimes of the employers? I said they are equally guilty. What part of that aren't you getting? I am for implementing e-verify in every workplace which will stop them from their illegal hiring practices and severley fining and even imprisoning these employers. I am even for putting them out of business for their hand in this. The question back at ya is "why do you not want to hold the illegals accountable also at the same rate as their employers"? You accuse me of favoring the employers (which isn't true) and yet you favor the illegals. Isn't that being hypocritical?

Why shouldn't I bad mouth lawbreakers including illegal aliens? Are they special? I have also bad mouthed their employers but you seem to be glossing over that fact. I am also bad mouthing those in congress on both sides of the aisle who are playing a role in facilitating illegal immigration. So you were sayin?
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#446 Jan 8, 2014
Oldglory wrote:
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Modest damage? You must be kidding. They take jobs they aren't entitled to and that leaves and unemployed American, reduce wages and increase our taxes. Add crime to our communities (including stealing ID's and SS numbers) overburden our jails, schools and hospitals. You call that "modest damage" (insert rolling eyes here). They break as many laws as the businesses that hire them and actually more. As an analogy I think the guy driving the get-away car during a robbery is just as guilty as the robber. Apparently, you don't? You're analogy stinks. Mass murderers aren't accomplices to jay walkers and vice versa. We can't go after murderers and jay walkers both at the same time? Not only that but comparing jay walkers with murderers is a ridiculous analogy to illegal aliens and their employers.
Where are you getting that I am ignoring the crimes of the employers? I said they are equally guilty. What part of that aren't you getting? I am for implementing e-verify in every workplace which will stop them from their illegal hiring practices and severley fining and even imprisoning these employers. I am even for putting them out of business for their hand in this. The question back at ya is "why do you not want to hold the illegals accountable also at the same rate as their employers"? You accuse me of favoring the employers (which isn't true) and yet you favor the illegals. Isn't that being hypocritical?
Why shouldn't I bad mouth lawbreakers including illegal aliens? Are they special? I have also bad mouthed their employers but you seem to be glossing over that fact. I am also bad mouthing those in congress on both sides of the aisle who are playing a role in facilitating illegal immigration. So you were sayin?
I think you misinterpreted what I intended. I was saying that a single individual taking a single job causes less damage than a single person who hires thousands of people illegally. There is a big difference between one job and thousands at one company, or the millions due to the government refusing to enforce the laws. When you generalize to "they" then there is a difference. For example, if you fine an illegal employee and an illegal employer the same amount per occurance, then the employee might get a $10,000 fine, whereas the employer would get a find of $10,000,000. One is clearly bigger than the other. Additionally if the same employee gets caught in two occurrences, then he might serve a year in jail. If the employer gets caught in 1000 occurrences, he should spend 999 years in prison.

I was looking for any statement from you where you actually recognize the employers are breaking the law, and should be fined and perhaps given jail time and put out of business. Maybe you have said that in the past, but I had not seen it.

I don't want to hold the employees at the same rate at the employers because the employers created the situation. They lure people here so they can pay them less, and us less as well, they can treat those employers much worse because if the employee complains, they will simply have them deported.

Admit it, there are some countries around the world that have worse economies for the middle class than the USA. Some are really awful, and people do not have much opportunity, and cannot provide for their families. People in those situations become desperate and are willing to do what they have to do to feed their children.

The employers on the other hand are simply trying to put more money in their own pockets. They exemplify greed and are willing to abuse people as much as they can for their own profit.

Trying to feed your children is in a different class than trying to get enough money to buy a third luxury yacht.
Oldglory

Coachella, CA

#447 Jan 8, 2014
We will just have to agree to disagree then. Illegal aliens are willing accomplices to the employers. You might want to re-read my bank robber analogy again. So if someone lures me to commit a crime and I accept I am less of a criminal than them?

As for feeding their families. Why have kids at an early age you cannot support without breaking laws to do so or take the food out of the mouths of kids whose families either worked to provide for them or had their job taken illegally so they can't? As I also pointed out they know full well they can live off the taxpayer by giving birth on our soil and they won't have to work. We have enough of our own poor to care for without adding illegal aliens and their scamming of our birthright citizenship to live off of us. These people are quite the deceitful schemers. Sorry you don't recognize that. They aren't the innocents that you think they are any less than their greedy employers are.

What about the felonies of stealing ID's which causes the rightful owner a lot of hardship? Is that acceptable to feed your kids?

As I said, both the employers and the illegal aliens are equally guilty just for different reasons. Neither of their reasons are acceptable when they are both hurting the American worker/taxpayer and breaking the law. I want them both held accountable.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#448 Jan 9, 2014
Don Joe wrote:
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When I mentioned amnesty, I referred to Reagan and how he arbitrarily and unilaterally changed the US policy regarding enforcement against corporations who hire illegals. It doesn't really matter if it is giant corporations, or smaller corporations, as it floods the labor pool, decreasing wages for all workers, including those in large corporations. Simply changing that policy would solve the problem, but neither party will do it. Right now, it could be fixed by Obama simply reversing Reagan directive..

So tell me again what's Obama's position on amnesty for 11 million illegal aliens?

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#450 Feb 4, 2014
Don Joe wrote:
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I think you misinterpreted what I intended. I was saying that a single individual taking a single job causes less damage than a single person who hires thousands of people illegally..
Illegal Aliens Receive Billions in IRS Tax Benefits

Friday, 23 Sep 2011 05:17 PM

By James Walsh

On July 7, 2011, the U.S. Department of Treasury's inspector general for tax
administration issued a startling report entitled "Individuals Who Are Not
Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable
Credits."

No wonder the nation's finances are in turmoil.

******It is clear that unauthorized aliens are filing ITIN tax returns with
fraudulent data.******

The Treasury report found that

"One common type of fraudulent refund involves taxpayers fabricating a Wage and Tax Statement (Form W-2) that shows excess withholding and results in a tax refund."

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