Too edgy? Too tame? Gay pride parades spark debate

Sep 16, 2013 Full story: Tri-cityherald.com 191

Miss Veda Chardonnay, center, rides in a car during the 30th Annual Dallas Gay Pride Parade, Sunday, Sept.

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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#86 Sep 18, 2013
Where the hell were your priorities?

:)
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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RuPaul was appearing at that gay bar in Island Park one nite (I can't remember the name of the place). I had wanted to go, and hopefully meet her, but I went to the bar once and it was so DAMN FAR DOWN THAT DAMN peninsula, I decided not to make that trip again all the way from Patchogue. I'm kinda sorry I didn't go and try to meet her now.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#87 Sep 18, 2013
Now you'll need to prove that radical feminists cost women the ERA. As I recall, it was big business that worked hardest to block it, followed closely by th patriarchal a-holes who said it would lead to lesbianism and witchcraft. Not to mention that bra-burning preceded the ERA by about a decade.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Italian Americans and Jersey Girls aren't fighting for their basic civil rights.
Radical feminists burning their bras cost all women the constitutional protections which would have come with the ERA.
Women didn't get the right to vote by scaring all those "uniformed" men; instead they convinced their husbands and fathers and brother and sons that they weren't a threat.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#88 Sep 18, 2013
Steppin Fetchit did nothing to achieve racial civil rights--it was those who stood up and demanded to be counted as the citizens they were, regardless of who they offended.

Let them look under their microscopes and learn about the endless variety of our flora and fauna. When I came out, just admitting to being gay made me a freak to many straights, and I'm fairly "mainstream". I refuse to throw "freaks" under the bus for my own comfort. We all walk together or we stay put.

You seem to think that gays just popped up a couple decdes ago, but we have a rich and storied culture. It is that culture and that community that has allowed us to make the advances we have and deal with the losses we've encountered. It's sad that you have chosen to ignore/reject that community.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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We are in essence applying for equal civil rights every minute of every day whether we realize it or not. Like it or not, we're under a microscope every day and the poor decisions of a few can cause lasting damage to every gay & lesbian who desires equality.
I don't camouflage anything; I'm simply not a freak who feels a need to broadcast his sexual proclivities 24/7. There are heteros who act just as ridiculous in public, but again the main difference is they aren't a minority seeking equal treatment from a much more conservative majority.
I see no more value in a "gay community" than in a "left-handed" community. Separating ourselves only emphasizes our differences from society in general and reinforces the notion that they are justified in treating us differently.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#89 Sep 18, 2013
Gee, now who's dealing in stereotypes? You think we're too stupid to know what clothing is appropriate for a work setting?

Neither the BP or NoI "led" the civil rights movement, but they were a part of it. They weren't told to hide in the basement while the mainstream blacks pretended to act as white as possible.

Transgenders are a part of our community because it's about sexual and gender identity, both of which are inborn traits. It's amazing that you think you're working for tolerance when you are so very INtolerant of others.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Gee, now I wonder why average parents would be hesitant about having a 7 foot drag queen teaching their elementary school children? Or having a assless-chaps-wearing gym teacher??
Nope, your racial analogy doesn't work. A more appropriate analogy would be having the Black Panthers or Nation of Islam leading the civil rights movement of the 60's.
I admit I have absolutely NO idea where transgenders fit into ANYTHING. They're a "community" all unto themselves. I've never understood how they go lumped in with sexual orientation.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#90 Sep 18, 2013
Which makes you as much of bigot as those you cower from. First, that you would deny someone qualified for employment based on their attire (since dress codes can be explained), and secondly because you think drag queens, leathermen, etc, are so
fucking stupid that they don't know how to function in society.

Our rights spring from the constitution, and the courts are where we are winning many of our battles. Popular opinion in fact favors us now, drags and all.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
No, how others see pride parades BECOMES our problem when those "conservative" people go into the voting booth or look over your job application or adoption paperwork or your mortgage application etc.
We don't live in a vacuum.
Btw, as a conservative, I'd be the first to reject a job applicant who showed up in drag or wearing assless chaps.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#91 Sep 18, 2013
So that old, tired axiom finally made it to your backwater village?
rock white wrote:
parade of the damned. SAD (sodomite and dyke) pervert show-off.Not gay.

“RAINBOW POWER!”

Since: Oct 08

I Am What I Am.

#92 Sep 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
I admit I have absolutely NO idea where transgenders fit into ANYTHING. They're a "community" all unto themselves. I've never understood how they go lumped in with sexual orientation.
Gay and trans people are discriminated against, bashed and hated for the same reasons: both do not conform to "traditional" gender roles and stereotypes. Gay and trans people are fighting many of the same battles: marriage equality, discrimination, access to affordable, accepting healthcare, etc. Trans people are very often perceived as being gay or lesbian throughout our lives, and have suffered anti-gay hate just like non-trans gays and lesbians. Some of us trans people ARE gay or lesbian in relation to our gender identity.
Florida Gator

Brooklyn, NY

#93 Sep 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
<quoted text>Which makes you as much of bigot as those you cower from. First, that you would deny someone qualified for employment based on their attire (since dress codes can be explained), and secondly because you think drag queens, leathermen, etc, are so
fucking stupid that they don't know how to function in society.

Our rights spring from the constitution, and the courts are where we are winning many of our battles. Popular opinion in fact favors us now, drags and all.
Sheeple is right, you are judged by the way you're seen, whether you agree with it or not. Just like a guy going in for an interview for an executive position. He's sporting tattoos and piercings. By his appearance, he's not given a chance to show his worth. That's just the way life is. Appearances does make a difference.
Wilhelm

Anonymous Proxy

#98 Sep 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
No, how others see pride parades BECOMES our problem when those "conservative" people go into the voting booth or look over your job application or adoption paperwork or your mortgage application etc.
We don't live in a vacuum.
Btw, as a conservative, I'd be the first to reject a job applicant who showed up in drag or wearing assless chaps.
Well said!
Wilhelm

Anonymous Proxy

#99 Sep 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So you'd whack the beehive like it's a pinata just before trying to get the honey out?
Would you wear your rattiest clothes to a job interview?
Would you wear a 12" strap-on dildo with assless chaps to your bank to apply for a loan?
Our "pride" events have done more harm than good.
It's not the anti-gays (who will always hate us no matter what) but rather those on the fence who may not have had exposure to many out gays & lesbians in the past. They see and remember the stereotype because the stereotype is what stands out as weird or different or bizarre to them. They won't remember all the suburbanites or business executives or sports figures or military members or any other "normal" group. The freaks are what they will remember when they go to vote on the next marriage ballot initiative.
The Hooters chicks aren't trying to get the right to vote for women.....
Spot on!
Wilhelm

Anonymous Proxy

#100 Sep 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, now I wonder why average parents would be hesitant about having a 7 foot drag queen teaching their elementary school children? Or having a assless-chaps-wearing gym teacher??
Nope, your racial analogy doesn't work. A more appropriate analogy would be having the Black Panthers or Nation of Islam leading the civil rights movement of the 60's.
I admit I have absolutely NO idea where transgenders fit into ANYTHING. They're a "community" all unto themselves. I've never understood how they go lumped in with sexual orientation.
Bravo! Great analogy!
Wilhelm

Anonymous Proxy

#101 Sep 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, those stereotypes, as well as the bikini clad grinding twinks on a stick.
They are NOT representative of the average gay or lesbian, anymore than the Hooters float at Mardi Gras is representative of the average heterosexual.
Heteros have leather & other fetishes too, but you don't see them parading it down mainstreet in the 4th of July parade.
Thank you!
Wilhelm

Anonymous Proxy

#102 Sep 18, 2013
As far as how the image of a group of people is conveyed to the public, gay pride parades can be equated gangsta rap.
Wilhelm

Anonymous Proxy

#103 Sep 18, 2013
equated with
Dale

Anonymous Proxy

#104 Sep 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
They weren't told to hide in the basement while the mainstream blacks pretended to act as white as possible.
<quoted text>
Is dressing in nice clothes rather than wearing pants hanging down your butt with your underwear showing, acting white? Is learning to speak proper English acting white? Is going to college, becoming successful and living in a nice house in a nice neighborhood, acting white? Is creating music that doesn't have the word "ho" or "n****r" in it every other word, acting white?
You're saying that black people who don't look and act like stupid, ignorant idiots are acting white. In other words, those blacks are not really intelligent, polite, respectable people but only acting like they are.
rock white

Preston, UK

#105 Sep 18, 2013
shite jockeys, rug suckers, what a thing to be proud about. Diseased in so many ways.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#106 Sep 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Now you'll need to prove that radical feminists cost women the ERA. As I recall, it was big business that worked hardest to block it, followed closely by th patriarchal a-holes who said it would lead to lesbianism and witchcraft. Not to mention that bra-burning preceded the ERA by about a decade.
<quoted text>
You get my point- it was the radical elements which got the most air time that scared off big business and everyone else.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#107 Sep 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Steppin Fetchit did nothing to achieve racial civil rights--it was those who stood up and demanded to be counted as the citizens they were, regardless of who they offended.
Let them look under their microscopes and learn about the endless variety of our flora and fauna. When I came out, just admitting to being gay made me a freak to many straights, and I'm fairly "mainstream". I refuse to throw "freaks" under the bus for my own comfort. We all walk together or we stay put.
You seem to think that gays just popped up a couple decdes ago, but we have a rich and storied culture. It is that culture and that community that has allowed us to make the advances we have and deal with the losses we've encountered. It's sad that you have chosen to ignore/reject that community.
<quoted text>
No, it was primarily when whites joined blacks in the fight that civil rights gains were made. There is a reason Rosa Parks was successful as an icon for the civil rights movement. She wasn't the first person who refused to give up her seat on the bus to a white person, but she was able to be held up as a non-threatening person which helped galvanize support for their cause.

Pictures of non-threatening people having fire hoses turned on them or police dogs attacking them turned public opinion. The more radical elements of the civil rights movement were kept in the background for the most part.

I embrace the community in which I live and are a part of; which is currently the Tawas area community.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#108 Sep 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Gee, now who's dealing in stereotypes? You think we're too stupid to know what clothing is appropriate for a work setting?
Neither the BP or NoI "led" the civil rights movement, but they were a part of it. They weren't told to hide in the basement while the mainstream blacks pretended to act as white as possible.
Transgenders are a part of our community because it's about sexual and gender identity, both of which are inborn traits. It's amazing that you think you're working for tolerance when you are so very INtolerant of others.
<quoted text>
How does one "act white"?

Blacks can no more "act white" than gays can "act straight".

Heterosexuality is also about sexual/gender identity, so why isn't it the SLGBT community?

I'm not working for tolerance, as no one is required to tolerate anyone else. There are very few people of any sexual identity, race, ethnicity, religion, etc, whom I can tolerate for more than 5 minute at a time!

I'm working for equal treatment under the law.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#109 Sep 18, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Where the hell were your priorities?
:)
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YOU try driving down that damn peninsula back and forth 80 miles late at nite ! I AINT DOIN IT AGAIN !

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