Po Editorial: Need an Id to vote? The...

Po Editorial: Need an Id to vote? They're available now

There are 255 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Aug 28, 2012, titled Po Editorial: Need an Id to vote? They're available now. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

If you mean to vote this year as an apparently marginal American who somehow manages to live a life without a government ID card, a photo ID of last resort should now be available.

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#143 Oct 3, 2012
wha wrote:
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I thought you and others said there were no such cases or history of voter fraud? Why would anyone need a ID to show who they are...But now apparently you're saying Republicans are commiting voter fraud all over the place. Why all of the reports of voter fraud? To me this is a perfect example of why we need to protect the voting system by having a voting ID.
I can tackle this one. When the voter ID laws were first proposed by the republican majority in the PA state house (and obviously other states that passed similar laws) it was under the guise of protecting from "widespread voter fraud" that occurred over the past few election - voter fraud that never actually existed.

Now, only after the voter ID laws were passed, are instances of republican voter fraud coming to light because they're related to this election - not previous ones. But the fraud is mostly related to voter intimidation and politically-motivated registrars. Not sure voter ID would even fix those problems.
Dave Rogers

Chambersburg, PA

#144 Oct 3, 2012
wha wrote:
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I thought you and others said there were no such cases or history of voter fraud? Why would anyone need a ID to show who they are...But now apparently you're saying Republicans are commiting voter fraud all over the place. Why all of the reports of voter fraud? To me this is a perfect example of why we need to protect the voting system by having a voting ID.
hey clueless the charge is VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD. Damn; the public education system tried to educate you but there is only so much that can be done.
Madd1

Carlisle, PA

#145 Oct 4, 2012
Please wrote:
<quoted text>HaHaHaHaH....Thank You for proving my point. Go line up and get your usual marching orders from the Koch Broters or Rush "pill popping" Limbaugh.
Better yet go back to school and get a education that is above 1st grade.
Actually, I am slightly more educated than the First grade and you may want to look over your comments again for mistakes, or in your case, "missteaks".
Please

Greensboro, NC

#146 Oct 4, 2012
Madd1 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I am slightly more educated than the First grade and you may want to look over your comments again for mistakes, or in your case, "missteaks".
The way you act and write I highly dobt it.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#147 Oct 7, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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The only type of voter fraud the new restrictive ID laws can possibly address is in-person voter fraud - where someone tries to vote by claiming to be someone they aren't.
And that kind of voter fraud virtually never happens.
The GOP has recently been discovered to have been committing voter REGISTRATION fraud - falsifying voter registrations, destroying Democratic voter registrations, forging signatures on voter registrations, etc. Voter ID laws will do nothing to prevent that.
Sure it would just as your ID helps to prevent kids from buying cigarettes or alcohol. It acts as a deterrent. There is nothing 100%proof but it helps to lower the reports "Republican voter fraud" <---your words.
If you don't want those mean old Republicans to distort the outcome then your citing of republican voter fraud will definitely help to prevent that. You’re making the case for it.
Dan the Man

Newville, PA

#148 Oct 7, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Sure it would just as your ID helps to prevent kids from buying cigarettes or alcohol. It acts as a deterrent. There is nothing 100%proof but it helps to lower the reports "Republican voter fraud" <---your words.
If you don't want those mean old Republicans to distort the outcome then your citing of republican voter fraud will definitely help to prevent that. You’re making the case for it.
I think you're confused. You obviously aren't comprehending the distinction between in-person voter fraud and voter registration fraud.

Go read up and come back when you understand the issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud
Madd1

Carlisle, PA

#149 Oct 8, 2012
Please wrote:
<quoted text>The way you act and write I highly dobt it.
They way I act ? They way I write ? Go back underneath the bridge.

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#150 Oct 8, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Sure it would just as your ID helps to prevent kids from buying cigarettes or alcohol. It acts as a deterrent. There is nothing 100%proof but it helps to lower the reports "Republican voter fraud" <---your words.
If you don't want those mean old Republicans to distort the outcome then your citing of republican voter fraud will definitely help to prevent that. You’re making the case for it.
People don't have a free and anonymous constitutional right to buy cigarettes and alcohol. Voting's a different story.

Why is voter ID necessary other than to try and exclude certain groups from voting?
Wha

Chambersburg, PA

#151 Oct 9, 2012
Effington wrote:
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People don't have a free and anonymous constitutional right to buy cigarettes and alcohol. Voting's a different story.
Why is voter ID necessary other than to try and exclude certain groups from voting?
I'm not trying to exclude anyone or any certain group from voting. To me it just makes for good sense. You're right it is a constitutional right but just because it is I don't see how it prevents people from voting. Especially if you're a minority because I'm not white and personally I think its offensive to believe or even think that black people or old people are too dumb or too stupid to understand something as simple as having an ID to vote. I see the argument and the whole thing just makes it look as if the bar is trying to be lowered for those who find the Voter ID issue too complicated for minorities to comprehend because the Democratic Party (and you) says it is somehow disenfranchising voters. This to me makes me sick to my stomach.

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

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#153 Oct 26, 2012
Has anyone else seen this commercial about PA Voter ID...?

It seems to say "You Dont need an ID to vote" - but then says something like "You may be asked to show ID"

?

If I see it again - I'll note the group behind it.

It seemed like an attempt to intimidate.

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

Since: Dec 07

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#154 Oct 26, 2012
Here it is...

http://www.votespa.com/portal/server.pt/commu...

WTF???

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Q: Will I be required to show a photo ID on the November 6, 2012 General Election?

A: No. Voters will be asked, but not required, to show an acceptable photo ID at the polls.

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"Asked but not required" - Sounds ridiculous!!!- and clearly an attempt to intimidate people.
Dan the Man

Newville, PA

#155 Oct 26, 2012
A Talking Horse wrote:
Here it is...
http://www.votespa.com/portal/server.pt/commu...
WTF???
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Q: Will I be required to show a photo ID on the November 6, 2012 General Election?
A: No. Voters will be asked, but not required, to show an acceptable photo ID at the polls.
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"Asked but not required" - Sounds ridiculous!!!- and clearly an attempt to intimidate people.
It absolutely IS ridiculous. But that's where the law in PA currently stands.

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Judge blocks Pennsylvania voter ID law for November election

However, Simpson's ruling allows other provisions of the law to stand, including voter education efforts that a photo ID is required to cast a ballot. Election officials also can ask for photo identification, but cannot prevent people from voting if they don't have it.

The judge wrote that state legislators intended for election officials to request a photo ID during the transition period for the new law "even though the vote will be counted regardless of compliance with the request."
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Simpson's ruling means the full voter ID law could be enforced starting next year. His ruling said he will schedule a further hearing on whether to issue a permanent injunction.

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#156 Oct 26, 2012
Wha wrote:
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I'm not trying to exclude anyone or any certain group from voting. To me it just makes for good sense. You're right it is a constitutional right but just because it is I don't see how it prevents people from voting. Especially if you're a minority because I'm not white and personally I think its offensive to believe or even think that black people or old people are too dumb or too stupid to understand something as simple as having an ID to vote. I see the argument and the whole thing just makes it look as if the bar is trying to be lowered for those who find the Voter ID issue too complicated for minorities to comprehend because the Democratic Party (and you) says it is somehow disenfranchising voters. This to me makes me sick to my stomach.
Who, at any point, ever said the problem with this voter ID thing is that old people and minorities are "too dumb" to understand voter ID? Is that really what people like you think the issue is?

You clearly have no idea what it's like to be poor and either elderly or a minority living in an urban area. NO CLUE. You have absolutely no idea what the issue is with this, and the fact that your cluelessness is making you sick to your stomach makes ME sick to MY stomach.

And top of all of that, you still cannot give a single valid reason why this voter ID law is necessary.

There was no bar to be raised or lowered until people like you came along - the constitution guarantees the right to vote for all US citizens. Then people like you set it out of reach of certain groups and then it makes you sick that some of us have a problem with that?
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#157 Oct 30, 2012
Effington wrote:
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Who, at any point, ever said the problem with this voter ID thing is that old people and minorities are "too dumb" to understand voter ID? Is that really what people like you think the issue is?
You clearly have no idea what it's like to be poor and either elderly or a minority living in an urban area. NO CLUE. You have absolutely no idea what the issue is with this, and the fact that your cluelessness is making you sick to your stomach makes ME sick to MY stomach.
And top of all of that, you still cannot give a single valid reason why this voter ID law is necessary.
There was no bar to be raised or lowered until people like you came along - the constitution guarantees the right to vote for all US citizens. Then people like you set it out of reach of certain groups and then it makes you sick that some of us have a problem with that?
When the argument talking points are always “My mother is too old to change or adapt to getting an ID or she doesn’t need one or they are trying to stop minorities from voting “
Actually I am a minority. And I do know what it is like to be poor. Almost every article I see out there goes something like "The Republicans are trying to steal the election" or "Republicans are trying to disenfranchise the poor or minorities" or how can poor people or minorities get an ID? As if poor people or elderly are too stupid or dumb to obtain an ID to that makes me “Sick to my stomach” That is the way the narrative is being written. As if someone is telling them that they cannot vote. It just seems ridiculous that this is preventing them from voting or somehow a hindrance to voting. Yet a lot of the stories of voter fraud seem to be coming from "Republican" citizens.
Also EVERONE knows that it is your constitutional right to vote, NO ONE is saying different. There are plenty of states that have this same or similar law already in effect. IMO...It protects the integrity of the system. I also think it is silly to believe that there is "Zero" voter fraud going on. I'm sure going to say "show me proof" and I can go Google cases of it but why waste my time because I still believe it should happen and it probably will but that’s just my opinion.
You can respond back with name calling etc. etc. But I was just trying to keep it civil.

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#158 Oct 30, 2012
Look, your perceptions and reality are far apart from each other. It's not even about being too poor, too dumb, too black, or too old for anything. It's about an unnecessary law that, as far as can tell, has only one purpose: make it harder for the kinds of people who vote for Obama to vote.

If you can give me a legitimate reason other than that why the voter ID's are really necessary, let me know. Otherwise, your arguments are invalid.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#159 Oct 30, 2012
Effington wrote:
Look, your perceptions and reality are far apart from each other. It's not even about being too poor, too dumb, too black, or too old for anything. It's about an unnecessary law that, as far as can tell, has only one purpose: make it harder for the kinds of people who vote for Obama to vote.
If you can give me a legitimate reason other than that why the voter ID's are really necessary, let me know. Otherwise, your arguments are invalid.
It's important to have an ID for alcohol, passport, medication, jobs, social security, Doctors appointment, jury duty, military service, car insurance, buying a car, renting a car or getting on a plane and 17 other states that have ID law in effect or are going to. This is NOT about voting for Obama or not voting for him. Who said anything about Obama? If Romney were in office or whoever is in I would STILL want voting protected.

Poll: Most back Pennsylvania voter ID law
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/817...
Dan the Man

Shippensburg, PA

#160 Oct 30, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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It's important to have an ID for alcohol, passport, medication, jobs, social security, Doctors appointment, jury duty, military service, car insurance, buying a car, renting a car or getting on a plane and 17 other states that have ID law in effect or are going to. This is NOT about voting for Obama or not voting for him. Who said anything about Obama? If Romney were in office or whoever is in I would STILL want voting protected.
Poll: Most back Pennsylvania voter ID law
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/817...
The self-delusion...it BUURRRNS!

LMAO!
Seriously

Chambersburg, PA

#161 Oct 30, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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It's important to have an ID for alcohol, passport, medication, jobs, social security, Doctors appointment, jury duty, military service, car insurance, buying a car, renting a car or getting on a plane and 17 other states that have ID law in effect or are going to. This is NOT about voting for Obama or not voting for him. Who said anything about Obama? If Romney were in office or whoever is in I would STILL want voting protected.
Poll: Most back Pennsylvania voter ID law
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/817...
My Grandmother doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't travel, gets her medication without a photo ID, never worked outside of the home, collects her social security without a photo ID, visits the doctor without a Photo ID, has never been summoned for jury duty, doesn't serve in the military, doesn't drive, she has managed to exist on this planet for 89 years without a photo ID. That is until the Republicans voted to refuse her the right to vote without one. Now she has one and will not be voting for the party that required her to secure that Government Issued ID.

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#162 Oct 30, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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It's important to have an ID for alcohol, passport, medication, jobs, social security, Doctors appointment, jury duty, military service, car insurance, buying a car, renting a car or getting on a plane and 17 other states that have ID law in effect or are going to. This is NOT about voting for Obama or not voting for him. Who said anything about Obama? If Romney were in office or whoever is in I would STILL want voting protected.
Poll: Most back Pennsylvania voter ID law
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/817...
There is NOTHING in this post that explains why a photo ID is necessary to vote. Why? Why do you want it so bad? What purpose does it serve?

You register to vote. You go to your polling place. You sign the little book where your name is. What's the problem? It's supposed to be EASY. It's a guaranteed, anonymous, constitutional right that people like you are trying to make more difficult for no reason other than, hey, the degenerates you assume don't have ID are probably democrats.

I've mentioned my own grandmother many times in this thread. She passed this year at age 90, but never once held a photo ID. Just like Seriously, she voted in every election. She worked, she got her medication, she collected social security, visited the doctor regularly and she had good credit. She didn't drive, travel, or serve in the military. And when she bought a beer, no one carded her for some reason. Probably because she was an old lady. So obviously you're oblivious to what you actual need photo ID for. There are many other types of ID available for the things you mention that are far less strict than the proposed ID's required to vote.

The rest of the items you mentioned are not constitutional rights. Rental cars and plane trips are not guaranteed by the constitution like voting is, so photo ID is legit. It's a ridiculous and unfair comparison.

So once again, instead of explaining WHY photo ID is necessary, you A.) Invent a bunch of things you claim requires photo ID but actually does not, and B.) Name a bunch of other thing that, duh, require a photo ID because they're privileges in our society: not rights.

And believe me, you dont have to look too far back in history to realize that just because "most people" support it, doesn't mean it's a good idea. Those people, like yourself, simply don't understand that there are people in this world who live full, productive lives without photo ID.

And now you're forcing them to get one just to vote? Give me a break.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#163 Oct 30, 2012
Seriously wrote:
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My Grandmother doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't travel, gets her medication without a photo ID, never worked outside of the home, collects her social security without a photo ID, visits the doctor without a Photo ID, has never been summoned for jury duty, doesn't serve in the military, doesn't drive, she has managed to exist on this planet for 89 years without a photo ID. That is until the Republicans voted to refuse her the right to vote without one. Now she has one and will not be voting for the party that required her to secure that Government Issued ID.
Well that's good that she has never done any of those things but I think it's is highly unlikely given this day and age. It is not just Republicans who want some sort of voter ID. She also would not do well in other states that require some form of ID. If she does vote who cares who she votes for? If she votes for a Democrat then there's nothing wrong with that. If she believes that it was Republicans that has forced her hand then so be it, that will just be something she has to live with but she will still need an ID.

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