Po Editorial: Need an Id to vote? They're available now

Aug 28, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Chambersburg Public Opinion

If you mean to vote this year as an apparently marginal American who somehow manages to live a life without a government ID card, a photo ID of last resort should now be available.

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“Excuse me while I kiss the sky”

Since: Dec 10

Carlisle, PA

#1 Aug 28, 2012
This will be interesting.

Sounds like the potential for a lot of older folks to be screwed on election day.

And, making them valid for 10 years is asking for downstream fraud.

Wonder if the poll workers will be doing visual checks - or will they have to scan the card?

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#2 Aug 28, 2012
"In Franklin County, a PennDOT center is at 190 Mill Road, Chambersburg. It is open for business from 8:30 a.m. to 4:15 p.m. Monday through Saturday."

Oh, sorry! Our ID person is only in on Thursdays from 8am - 11am, except on the third Thursday of each month when they're not working at all, except on months that end in -ber, then they are only in the 1st and 3rd Wednesday from 1pm - 2:30pm. Please come back then, and be sure to have your proper paperwork. No, that form is incorrect, to get the correct form, you need to be on that line. The one that wraps around the building twice.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#3 Aug 28, 2012
An 8-hour time lapse video at the DMV: http://i.imgur.com/ElNTb.jpg
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#4 Aug 28, 2012
I can't help wondering how these people buy alcohol, cash a check, deposit a check, buy insurance, buy a car, mortgage a house, get on a plane, use a credit card, go to college, drive a car, obtain a medical prescription without identification anyways. So this is a little hard for me to understand how they people were able establish themselves if they didn't have identification anyways. Even a non driving person can obtain a picture ID at the DMV and those who do not want their pic taken for religious reasons can obtain a non-pic ID.

Am I missing something here?

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#5 Aug 28, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
I can't help wondering how these people buy alcohol, cash a check, deposit a check, buy insurance, buy a car, mortgage a house, get on a plane, use a credit card, go to college, drive a car, obtain a medical prescription without identification anyways. So this is a little hard for me to understand how they people were able establish themselves if they didn't have identification anyways. Even a non driving person can obtain a picture ID at the DMV and those who do not want their pic taken for religious reasons can obtain a non-pic ID.
Am I missing something here?
Nerd Rage wrote:
I can't help wondering how these people buy alcohol, cash a check, deposit a check, buy insurance, buy a car, mortgage a house, get on a plane, use a credit card, go to college, drive a car, obtain a medical prescription without identification anyways. So this is a little hard for me to understand how they people were able establish themselves if they didn't have identification anyways. Even a non driving person can obtain a picture ID at the DMV and those who do not want their pic taken for religious reasons can obtain a non-pic ID.
Am I missing something here?
Yeah, I think you probably are. People tend to view the world based on what they personally observe - and the parts of society and culture they actively participate in. It's easy to not realize that there are people with problems that you can't even imagine because haven't either personally experienced them or know anyone who has.

Example: my grandmother grew up in New York city. My grandfather drove and had a car, but after he passed, my grandmother still had little use for one. Everything she needed was within walking distance, and she took the L-train to work every day into her 70's. To her dying day, she never had a driver's license - when she retired, she moved to a retirement community in Florida and relied on public transportation shuttles to get where she needed to go. They only ran from where she lived, to the grocery store, the mall and church. She didn't have a license, didn't need a license and she certainly voted in every election. She wasn't poor or invalid - and she was lucky enough to have family that could drive her where she needed to go outside of the norm. She did not have a state ID either.

She seemed to have no trouble doing some of the things you mentioned: buy alcohol (she was old), use a credit card (they only need a SSN), deposit a check (you don't need a license to deposit checks at your own bank), obtain a prescription (only required for Schedule II drugs, and that's only recently and in some states). She didn't go to college, but probably could have in the 1940's without photo ID when she was college aged. She obviously didn't drive, and for anyone who does drive they clearly have photo ID.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that I know of one example of someone who can go through life without photo ID. There are probably many others, and I would imagine they are mostly elderly - although I can understand other situations too. While most people drive, particularly you live out here in rural America, some people just don't have driver's licenses or a practical way of getting them.

So the argument is that while we can understand the need for a photo ID for a lot of things - like driving, which states consider a privilege rather than a right - voting IS a right, and maybe shouldn't require a photo ID?

I'm not entirely sure where I stand on this - I don't think it effects a particularly large portion of the population, but the portion it does affec t I would think are elderly, poor or otherwise disadvantaged.
Marisa

Newville, PA

#6 Aug 28, 2012
Effington wrote:
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Yeah, I think you probably are. People tend to view the world based on what they personally observe - and the parts of society and culture they actively participate in. It's easy to not realize that there are people with problems that you can't even imagine because haven't either personally experienced them or know anyone who has.
Example: my grandmother grew up in New York city. My grandfather drove and had a car, but after he passed, my grandmother still had little use for one. Everything she needed was within walking distance, and she took the L-train to work every day into her 70's. To her dying day, she never had a driver's license - when she retired, she moved to a retirement community in Florida and relied on public transportation shuttles to get where she needed to go. They only ran from where she lived, to the grocery store, the mall and church. She didn't have a license, didn't need a license and she certainly voted in every election. She wasn't poor or invalid - and she was lucky enough to have family that could drive her where she needed to go outside of the norm. She did not have a state ID either.
She seemed to have no trouble doing some of the things you mentioned: buy alcohol (she was old), use a credit card (they only need a SSN), deposit a check (you don't need a license to deposit checks at your own bank), obtain a prescription (only required for Schedule II drugs, and that's only recently and in some states). She didn't go to college, but probably could have in the 1940's without photo ID when she was college aged. She obviously didn't drive, and for anyone who does drive they clearly have photo ID.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that I know of one example of someone who can go through life without photo ID. There are probably many others, and I would imagine they are mostly elderly - although I can understand other situations too. While most people drive, particularly you live out here in rural America, some people just don't have driver's licenses or a practical way of getting them.
So the argument is that while we can understand the need for a photo ID for a lot of things - like driving, which states consider a privilege rather than a right - voting IS a right, and maybe shouldn't require a photo ID?
I'm not entirely sure where I stand on this - I don't think it effects a particularly large portion of the population, but the portion it does affec t I would think are elderly, poor or otherwise disadvantaged.
You mention that your grandmother never needed any kind of photo ID. You also mention her "dying day", so I am assuming she has passed away.

My grandmother was the same as yours. But here's the thing..that was then this is now. Sadly, times have changed and I.D.'s are required for just about everything.

Everytime I go to Sunnyway to grocery shop I pay by check, I have to show my I.D. I have been doing this for at least 10 years there. They know me but I still have to show my I.D.

My mother in law is 87 years old,(does not drive but has I.D.) when I take her to the doctor she has to show her I.D. and that's right here in Chambersburg.

My mother is 83, she lives in a very small town in Western Pa. where everyone knows everyone. She still has to show I.D when she goes to the doctors or cashs a check.

The days of "trust" are gone. I have no problem showing my I.D. and neither do most people. I have nothing to hide and my rights are not being violated.

The problem seems to come into play when voting is involved. If showing your I.D. to vote is required I see nothing wrong with it, especially when there is the threat of voter fraud.

I.D. is required with almost everything, why are people getting bent out of shape when I.D. is required to vote?

Could it be that voter fraud will be more difficult to do?

“Excuse me while I kiss the sky”

Since: Dec 10

Carlisle, PA

#7 Aug 28, 2012
Marisa wrote:
Could it be that voter fraud will be more difficult to do?
Or...easier.

We shall see...
Crazy

Chambersburg, PA

#8 Aug 28, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
I can't help wondering how these people buy alcohol, cash a check, deposit a check, buy insurance, buy a car, mortgage a house, get on a plane, use a credit card, go to college, drive a car, obtain a medical prescription without identification anyways. So this is a little hard for me to understand how they people were able establish themselves if they didn't have identification anyways. Even a non driving person can obtain a picture ID at the DMV and those who do not want their pic taken for religious reasons can obtain a non-pic ID.
Am I missing something here?
My 92 year old grandmother who has been voting her entire adult life never worked outside the home never drove thus no photo ID. She has a social security card that is used for an ID any where she has ever been required to produce one, which granted probably hasn't been often. she was born in Minnesota so we went about the task of getting a copy so she could get a Photo ID. We got the birth certificate and headed for the Licensing center where we were told because the name on the birth certificate doesn't match her married name we need a copy of her marriage license. We take the copy of her Marriage License from her photo album and back to the Licensing center to be told it will not due because there is no raised seal, it was a marriage certificate issued by her pastor, not the municipal certificate issued by Itasca County Minnesota. So now were in the process of obtaining the official Marriage License, with raised seal.

This 92 year old woman is jumping through hoops so the Republicans can try to steel an election for Romney.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#9 Aug 28, 2012
Marisa wrote:
<quoted text>You mention that your grandmother never needed any kind of photo ID. You also mention her "dying day", so I am assuming she has passed away.
My grandmother was the same as yours. But here's the thing..that was then this is now. Sadly, times have changed and I.D.'s are required for just about everything.
She left us this past spring. I'm sorry to say - it's still possible to live without a photo ID these days. She was a recipient of medicare, social security and was on a fair amount of prescription medication.

It's not about having a "problem" with showing ID. I agree that is part of life these days - in many cases, I think that's a good thing. But it really is possible to live without one. It's just hard to imagine for some people, but it's possible. And we use our ID's for things we take for granted.

I just don't know if voting should be one of those things since that require it since voting is a right guaranteed to all Americans by the constitution. Is election fraud really the problem some make it out to be? Studies indicate that it is not. I just don't see the necessity.

Here's an example though to prove I'm a "get with the times" kind of person myself: stop paying by check at the grocery store! It slows us all down ;)

I also support immediately discontinuing the use of pennies, and an eventual shift to a cashless society.
Marisa

Newville, PA

#10 Aug 28, 2012
Effington wrote:
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She left us this past spring. I'm sorry to say - it's still possible to live without a photo ID these days. She was a recipient of medicare, social security and was on a fair amount of prescription medication.
It's not about having a "problem" with showing ID. I agree that is part of life these days - in many cases, I think that's a good thing. But it really is possible to live without one. It's just hard to imagine for some people, but it's possible. And we use our ID's for things we take for granted.
I just don't know if voting should be one of those things since that require it since voting is a right guaranteed to all Americans by the constitution. Is election fraud really the problem some make it out to be? Studies indicate that it is not. I just don't see the necessity.
Here's an example though to prove I'm a "get with the times" kind of person myself: stop paying by check at the grocery store! It slows us all down ;)
I also support immediately discontinuing the use of pennies, and an eventual shift to a cashless society.
Sorry about your grandmother. May her memory be eternal.

I just want to mention one thing...you said, "stop paying by check at the grocery store! It slows us all down ;)

Everyone is in a hurry ...as the old saying goes we need to "slow down and smell the roses"

Since: May 09

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#11 Aug 28, 2012
Marisa wrote:
Everyone is in a hurry ...as the old saying goes we need to "slow down and smell the roses"
I'm always in a hurry so I can get to the places where I can smell the roses!

Thanks for your kind words - but if I'm behind you at the check out, you're getting an eye roll and, just maybe if I'm in a particular hurry, perhaps an audible "hrrrumphhhh."

Then again, that's the exact reason I avoid places like Sunnyway :)
scooter

United States

#12 Aug 28, 2012
no ID,no vote,get over it demorats,you have stolen your last election.
new hammer time

Richmond, VA

#13 Aug 28, 2012
scooter wrote:
no ID,no vote,get over it demorats,you have stolen your last election.
Like how Bush stole the election in 2000. Thanks to a slight of votes from our very cuntservative SCOTUS
Voice of reason

Biglerville, PA

#14 Aug 28, 2012
cletus slack jawed yocal wrote:
This will be interesting.
Sounds like the potential for a lot of older folks to be screwed on election day.
And, making them valid for 10 years is asking for downstream fraud.
Wonder if the poll workers will be doing visual checks - or will they have to scan the card?
The idea is to screw the poor (MINORITIES) so they can skew results in favor of their Republican redneck party....
Buffalo Bill

Chambersburg, PA

#15 Aug 28, 2012
Voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>The idea is to screw the poor (MINORITIES) so they can skew results in favor of their Republican redneck party....
Right because only the wealthy can afford such luxuries as a plastic photo ID. Besides minorities have photo IDs already as they are necessary when applying for Government handouts or as realists call it: Defrauding the Government.

Effington this isn't the 1960s son. This is 2012 and everyone needs a legit photo ID or they should face criminal sanctions.
Buffalo Bill

Chambersburg, PA

#16 Aug 29, 2012
Buffalo Bill wrote:
<quoted text>Right because only the wealthy can afford such luxuries as a plastic photo ID. Besides minorities have photo IDs already as they are necessary when applying for Government handouts or as realists call it: Defrauding the Government.
Effington this isn't the 1960s son. This is 2012 and everyone needs a legit photo ID or they should face criminal sanctions.
So say I so it is!!!!!!!!!!

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#17 Aug 29, 2012
Buffalo Bill wrote:
Effington this isn't the 1960s son. This is 2012 and everyone needs a legit photo ID or they should face criminal sanctions.
Wow, sounds a lot like 1984 to me (the book, not the year - I'd talk slower for your benefit, but this is the Internet). That may be the ideal scenario in your Orwellian dystopia, but for me - in an age where privacy and personal freedoms are at an all time low - I'm happy to oppose mandatory ID's.

"Criminal sanctions." Nice.
Dan the Man

Shippensburg, PA

#18 Aug 29, 2012
Buffalo Bill wrote:
This is 2012 and everyone needs a legit photo ID or they should face criminal sanctions.
Behold, the voice of the small-government conservative. LMAO!
Buffalo Bill

Chambersburg, PA

#19 Aug 29, 2012
Effington wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, sounds a lot like 1984 to me (the book, not the year - I'd talk slower for your benefit, but this is the Internet). That may be the ideal scenario in your Orwellian dystopia, but for me - in an age where privacy and personal freedoms are at an all time low - I'm happy to oppose mandatory ID's.

"Criminal sanctions." Nice.
It's for our protection sir.
scooter

United States

#20 Aug 29, 2012
new hammer time wrote:
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Like how Bush stole the election in 2000. Thanks to a slight of votes from our very cuntservative SCOTUS
poor little hammer time,still posting lies,as it was gore that tried to steal the election,but you keep drinking that kool aid,you retarded bastard.

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