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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41740 Oct 10, 2012
former res wrote:
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Do you think we should make Bibi a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
Let him have a vote as to when we go to war?
Not a worry anymore!!! Future President Romney said yesterday that he wants to give sanctions a chance, since they seem to be working. And he also akes if you could you please delete his earlier comments (the day before) saying that he wanted a forceful response. And not to trust the Obama guy - because he is untrustworthy towards Jews (I beleve his words was "throw them under the bus".

Future President Romney, an icon of steadwarthiness, would NEVER change his view and throw anyone under the bus.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41741 Oct 10, 2012
Romney: Long way to go before Iran strike

Republican presidential candidate tells CNN extremely tight sanctions can hopefully prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapon, says US backs Israel both at UN and also militarily

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-429...
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41742 Oct 10, 2012
JUne 19, 2012
http://www.thenation.com/blog/168478/romney-b... #

"I can assure you if I'm President, the Iranians will have no question but that I would be willing to take military action, if necessary, to prevent them from becoming a nuclear threat to the world. I don't believe at this stage, therefore, if I'm President, that we need to have war powers approval or a special authorization for military force. The President has that capacity now..."
former res

Broomall, PA

#41743 Oct 10, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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If I remember correctly, all of 10 years ago, the frenzy of homebuying started because of the lowering of the interest rates.
I bought right at the beginning of that, when interest rates were falling to the amazing rate of barely below 7%- can you imagine?
The interest rates were lowered to stimulate the economy, which was faultering as a shock response to 911, though it was starting to gasp in the months right before 911.
If it were as simple as that there would be a frenzy of home buying now.

Not so easy to get a mortgage today. Though I've seen rates under 3%.

It was really the lowering of lending standards that lead to the housing crisis.

And the folks that did were made whole again.
former res

Broomall, PA

#41744 Oct 10, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a worry anymore!!! Future President Romney said yesterday that he wants to give sanctions a chance, since they seem to be working. And he also akes if you could you please delete his earlier comments (the day before) saying that he wanted a forceful response. And not to trust the Obama guy - because he is untrustworthy towards Jews (I beleve his words was "throw them under the bus".
Future President Romney, an icon of steadwarthiness, would NEVER change his view and throw anyone under the bus.
If that phony baxtard gets elected I'm going crawl back into the same hole I was for the 8 years of W's reign.
former res

Broomall, PA

#41745 Oct 10, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
Romney: Long way to go before Iran strike
Republican presidential candidate tells CNN extremely tight sanctions can hopefully prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapon, says US backs Israel both at UN and also militarily
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-429...
.

This is him all over.

He and Ryan loudly critizize Obama's foreign policy, yet when closely questioned - they wouldn't do things that much differently.

Like their tax plan, it's all smoke and mirrors.

But the average low information idiot, likes the tone of what he is hearing. "Get President Blackenstein out of office." [credit to Bill Maher for name]

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#41746 Oct 10, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
If it were as simple as that there would be a frenzy of home buying now.
Not so easy to get a mortgage today. Though I've seen rates under 3%.
It was really the lowering of lending standards that lead to the housing crisis.
And the folks that did were made whole again.
I just recently refinanced to 2.75% fixed :-)

Supposedly, banks are getting tougher with those with less than stellar credit ratings. For the rest of us, there is a frenzy of refinancing going on.

In my area, home prices don't seem to have gone down much. Houses are still selling in my neighborhood at the same price range as during the peak.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#41747 Oct 10, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>.
This is him all over.
He and Ryan loudly critizize Obama's foreign policy, yet when closely questioned - they wouldn't do things that much differently.
Like their tax plan, it's all smoke and mirrors.
But the average low information idiot, likes the tone of what he is hearing. "Get President Blackenstein out of office." [credit to Bill Maher for name]
Republicans are an interesting breed. I got into a heated debate with one last night.

I challenged him that he is stuck on ideology and would never vote democrat. He denied it. When pushed on how often he voted democrat, after much hemming and hawing, the answer was never.

When asked why he wouldn't vote for Obama, the answers were all Republican talking points straight out of the mouths of Fox, Limbaugh and the likes (many points of which were false and already debunked).

Not much you can do when they deny facts that don't fall in line with their narrative. How do you debate that?
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41748 Oct 10, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I just recently refinanced to 2.75% fixed :-)
Supposedly, banks are getting tougher with those with less than stellar credit ratings. For the rest of us, there is a frenzy of refinancing going on.
In my area, home prices don't seem to have gone down much. Houses are still selling in my neighborhood at the same price range as during the peak.
They are getting tougher by requiring more forms and creating more hassle. When we refied last time we had to send the same dmn form in FOUR times b/c they kept loosing it. Whats keeping people is whether there house is underwater (most are close to that) and whether they want to avoid the PMI.

You probably live in one of the few hoods where it hasnt gone down.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41749 Oct 10, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans are an interesting breed. I got into a heated debate with one last night.
I challenged him that he is stuck on ideology and would never vote democrat. He denied it. When pushed on how often he voted democrat, after much hemming and hawing, the answer was never.
When asked why he wouldn't vote for Obama, the answers were all Republican talking points straight out of the mouths of Fox, Limbaugh and the likes (many points of which were false and already debunked).
Not much you can do when they deny facts that don't fall in line with their narrative. How do you debate that?
You cant argue with people who deny facts. This is the first election were facts dont seem to matter. In past elections, politicians were equally mendacious, but we didnt have instant fact checking.

Now we have the fact checking, but a large percentage of people consciously dont seem to care.

Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41750 Oct 10, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
If that phony baxtard gets elected I'm going crawl back into the same hole I was for the 8 years of W's reign.
This has the potential to be a whole lot worse than W.

In some ways, we could be excused for our nievety for the W years. But now we know exactly whats coming down the line - personality wise, and more importantly, we know the economic and social repurcussions.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41751 Oct 10, 2012
Big Bird - Obama for America TV Ad

former res

Broomall, PA

#41752 Oct 10, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I just recently refinanced to 2.75% fixed :-)
Supposedly, banks are getting tougher with those with less than stellar credit ratings. For the rest of us, there is a frenzy of refinancing going on.
In my area, home prices don't seem to have gone down much. Houses are still selling in my neighborhood at the same price range as during the peak.
Good for you!

I refi'd a year ago at 4% and thought I was pretty damn lucky.

But I couldn't believe how many more hoops we had to jump through than the last time. Unbelievable scrutinty esp considering it was the same lender we had for many years - and two different houses.

Good neighborhoods tend to be hit last and least by downturns.

But there are news stories all the time about how hard it is to get mortgage loans. Which is the reason cited for homes still not moving as well as they should be given the low rates.

But yes, folks like us can get loans.

:)
former res

Broomall, PA

#41753 Oct 10, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans are an interesting breed. I got into a heated debate with one last night.
I challenged him that he is stuck on ideology and would never vote democrat. He denied it. When pushed on how often he voted democrat, after much hemming and hawing, the answer was never.
When asked why he wouldn't vote for Obama, the answers were all Republican talking points straight out of the mouths of Fox, Limbaugh and the likes (many points of which were false and already debunked).
Not much you can do when they deny facts that don't fall in line with their narrative. How do you debate that?
I just had a similar argument with my brother.

I know he doesn't read anything. But he does watch Fox News.

I told him to go to factcheck or politafact and fact check the RNC speeches and the debates - don't believe me.

But also please don't believe Fox!

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41754 Oct 10, 2012
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Um... ALL Christians are cafeteria Christians. The only way it is possible to believe Chrisitanity is by piclking and choosing some parts of the Bible to worship, and some to completely ignore.
;) but true

Elohim wrote: "Help me to discover Thy truth, O Lord, and preserve me from those who have already found it"
former res

Broomall, PA

#41755 Oct 10, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
...Now we have the fact checking, but a large percentage of people consciously dont seem to care.
So true:

Aug 31, 2012 We're not going let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers, Neil Newhouse, the Romney campaign's pollster, said this week during a ...
former res

Broomall, PA

#41756 Oct 10, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
Big Bird - Obama for America TV Ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =bZxs09eV-VcXX
The Obama team needs to get off the Big Bird issue.

It's too much gimmick and not enough substance.

Though I understand the temptaion to exploit it.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41757 Oct 10, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I just had a similar argument with my brother.
I know he doesn't read anything. But he does watch Fox News.
I told him to go to factcheck or politafact and fact check the RNC speeches and the debates - don't believe me.
But also please don't believe Fox!
We hear a lot of tokenism.
But even the facts are not facts.
F.i. the nonsense about Obama having to proof, not being a muslim, becomes : You see it was so debatable that he had to proof it.
It is a non-fact.
So what is it about anyway.
The way it is presented. Romney and consort muddle and stumble but are thus declared : people not afraid of making a mistake and admitting it.
Obama get's the entire hatefull negative labeling just for being correct, factual and polite.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#41758 Oct 10, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Good for you!
I refi'd a year ago at 4% and thought I was pretty damn lucky.
But I couldn't believe how many more hoops we had to jump through than the last time. Unbelievable scrutinty esp considering it was the same lender we had for many years - and two different houses.
Good neighborhoods tend to be hit last and least by downturns.
But there are news stories all the time about how hard it is to get mortgage loans. Which is the reason cited for homes still not moving as well as they should be given the low rates.
But yes, folks like us can get loans.
:)
Hmmm. Not my experience at all. The refi was easy as pie for me.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#41759 Oct 10, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I just had a similar argument with my brother.
I know he doesn't read anything. But he does watch Fox News.
I told him to go to factcheck or politafact and fact check the RNC speeches and the debates - don't believe me.
But also please don't believe Fox!
Don't you know facts have a liberal bias ;-)

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