Orval Strong, Gerber: Corporate elite

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Editor: This is a response to Mr. Stiglich's "The day of reckoning" letter of Jan.
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capitalist

Redding, CA

#1 Feb 1, 2011
Yes, Yes. How dare all of you men and women who went through 4 hardass years of college to better yourselves !! How dare you go to work for Fortune 500 companies and put in 70 to 80 hours a week and make good money and invest some of it for your future. You are probably sitting on a decent little gold mine because of your fortitude and foresisght. Can't you see that your brothers and sisters who chose to drop out of high school and chose to do drugs or alcohol need a portion of your money? What's wrong with you ! Some of these undereducated souls have spent time in prison - but they are the REAL victims. Can't you see that? You must learn to share your hard-earned money. You must learn to accept the true victims of this world. You are probably driving around in a 2 or 3 year old SUV or pick-up truck. They want what you have and you need to share. You are so ungrateful getting ahead in this world and not helping out those that chose to drop out, or chose a life of crime, or chose a life of drugs / alcohol. SHAME ON YOU.
Alien Nation

United States

#2 Feb 1, 2011
capitalist wrote:
Yes, Yes. How dare all of you men and women who went through 4 hardass years of college to better yourselves !! How dare you go to work for Fortune 500 companies and put in 70 to 80 hours a week and make good money and invest some of it for your future. You are probably sitting on a decent little gold mine because of your fortitude and foresisght. Can't you see that your brothers and sisters who chose to drop out of high school and chose to do drugs or alcohol need a portion of your money? What's wrong with you ! Some of these undereducated souls have spent time in prison - but they are the REAL victims. Can't you see that? You must learn to share your hard-earned money. You must learn to accept the true victims of this world. You are probably driving around in a 2 or 3 year old SUV or pick-up truck. They want what you have and you need to share. You are so ungrateful getting ahead in this world and not helping out those that chose to drop out, or chose a life of crime, or chose a life of drugs / alcohol. SHAME ON YOU.
Your sarcasm plays into a have and have-nots view of the world, that is becoming more true in America every day as the wealthy become richer and the middle class joins the other have-nots. Only the wealthy now can afford to send their children to college or help set them up in business so as to join the haves. Should you succeed to further limit paying a portion of your largess to reduce our deficit spending the ability of the have-nots to prosper will certainly be reduced as what safety net remains is removed.

Should this cycle continue we all will lose as our nation fails to adequately care for its own citizenry and we become a third world nation with uneducated and unhealthy masses contrasted with an elite that ships their wealth offshore to avoid taxation. Good by U.S. and hello North Mexico.....
Love to stir it up

Chico, CA

#3 Feb 1, 2011
Alien Nation wrote:
<quoted text>Your sarcasm plays into a have and have-nots view of the world, that is becoming more true in America every day as the wealthy become richer and the middle class joins the other have-nots. Only the wealthy now can afford to send their children to college or help set them up in business so as to join the haves. Should you succeed to further limit paying a portion of your largess to reduce our deficit spending the ability of the have-nots to prosper will certainly be reduced as what safety net remains is removed.
Should this cycle continue we all will lose as our nation fails to adequately care for its own citizenry and we become a third world nation with uneducated and unhealthy masses contrasted with an elite that ships their wealth offshore to avoid taxation. Good by U.S. and hello North Mexico.....
Have you been asleep the last few years since the lefty thieves took over. We went from a fairly respected nation to at least a fourth or fifth world nation.

Since: Dec 10

Stockton, CA

#4 Feb 1, 2011
Love to stir it up wrote:
<quoted text>Have you been asleep the last few years since the lefty thieves took over. We went from a fairly respected nation to at least a fourth or fifth world nation.
This is just laughable on so many levels - the ol''shine has taken hold again, eh?
Robert Red Bluff

United States

#5 Feb 1, 2011
Alien Nation wrote:
<quoted text>Your sarcasm plays into a have and have-nots view of the world, that is becoming more true in America every day as the wealthy become richer and the middle class joins the other have-nots. Only the wealthy now can afford to send their children to college or help set them up in business so as to join the haves. Should you succeed to further limit paying a portion of your largess to reduce our deficit spending the ability of the have-nots to prosper will certainly be reduced as what safety net remains is removed.
Should this cycle continue we all will lose as our nation fails to adequately care for its own citizenry and we become a third world nation with uneducated and unhealthy masses contrasted with an elite that ships their wealth offshore to avoid taxation. Good by U.S. and hello North Mexico.....
Well said. It's happening right before our very eyes yet the people can't see it. Why?
Alien Nation

United States

#6 Feb 1, 2011
Robert Red Bluff wrote:
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Well said. It's happening right before our very eyes yet the people can't see it. Why?
Simple, because the wealthy people are workin' it by stashing ever more cash while blaming deficit spending on the poor, while the middle class is too busy trying to put food on the table and keeping a roof above them to rock the boat, and those already in or under the water can only gasp for air and are villified as the root of the problem.

Pretty good scam until the entire system collapses under the weight of debt and inhumanity. You have to give Republicans credit for their ability to mislead the masses by claiming that high taxes cause job loss, when in actuality higher taxes allows the government to care for the people and create jobs at the same time instead of stashing cash in off shore accounts to avoid paying taxes on it.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#7 Feb 1, 2011
I'll take all you anti-big business people serious when you start becoming more anti-big government.

I'll not trade one powerful and greedy identity that we have a choice in doing business with for another where we're forced.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#8 Feb 1, 2011
Alien Nation wrote:
<quoted text> ....when in actuality higher taxes allows the government to care for the people and create jobs at the same time...
It's one thing to want government to, "care for the people"....and then quite another to want government to, "create jobs" with rising taxes.

YOU want both!! It's not hard to see where you're coming from.

I get you hate the, "rich"....whatever that means. I really get you hate big corporations. But yet you trust the government?

A government that has the power to give you everything has the power to take it all away.
It's more then a sound bite you know.
Alien Nation

United States

#9 Feb 2, 2011
Respectful effort wrote:
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It's one thing to want government to, "care for the people"....and then quite another to want government to, "create jobs" with rising taxes.
YOU want both!! It's not hard to see where you're coming from.
I get you hate the, "rich"....whatever that means. I really get you hate big corporations. But yet you trust the government?
A government that has the power to give you everything has the power to take it all away.
It's more then a sound bite you know.
A democratic government is by definition "for the people", meaning all the people. I have far more trust in its altruism than the demonstrated and natural greed of individuals or businesses that are only concerned with aggrandizing themselves and their stock holders.
Red Bluff Libertarian

Wichita, KS

#10 Feb 2, 2011
Alien Nation wrote:
<quoted text>Simple, because the wealthy people are workin' it by stashing ever more cash while blaming deficit spending on the poor, while the middle class is too busy trying to put food on the table and keeping a roof above them to rock the boat, and those already in or under the water can only gasp for air and are villified as the root of the problem.
Pretty good scam until the entire system collapses under the weight of debt and inhumanity. You have to give Republicans credit for their ability to mislead the masses by claiming that high taxes cause job loss, when in actuality higher taxes allows the government to care for the people and create jobs at the same time instead of stashing cash in off shore accounts to avoid paying taxes on it.
yessirree! We may disagree on land preservation, but we certainly have similar ideas on the rich vs poor brainwashing going on.
Orv

San Jose, CA

#11 Feb 2, 2011
“Yes, Yes. How dare all of you men and women who went through 4 hardass years of college to better yourselves !! How dare you go to work for Fortune 500 companies and put in 70 to 80 hours a week and make good money and invest some of it for your future.”
Capitalist, if you had actually read my letter you should have noticed I was speaking of welfare beneficiaries, people who the government gives money to, not monies people work hard to earn. Only difference between the rich and poor welfare beneficiaries is the rich billionaires are given much more!
capitalist

Redding, CA

#12 Feb 2, 2011
From Alien Nation:

"Only the wealthy can afford to send their children to college ---"

For anyone to apply for financial aid: www.fafsa.ed.gov

Pell Grants, Free Scholarship searches, college work-study programs, Internships that pay back colleges. First two years at a Junior College helps too. Collegegrants.com

Where there's a will, there's a way.

The "Envy-Crowd" wants what the wealthy have, but are not willing to work hard for it, so let's just redistribute their wealth.

I guess the world needs ditch diggers too.
craig

United States

#13 Feb 2, 2011
capitalist wrote:
From Alien Nation:
"Only the wealthy can afford to send their children to college ---"
For anyone to apply for financial aid: www.fafsa.ed.gov
Pell Grants, Free Scholarship searches, college work-study programs, Internships that pay back colleges. First two years at a Junior College helps too. Collegegrants.com
Where there's a will, there's a way.
The "Envy-Crowd" wants what the wealthy have, but are not willing to work hard for it, so let's just redistribute their wealth.
I guess the world needs ditch diggers too.
The world does need those that do the manual labor, but it also needs those that learn the workings of AC, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, and all the other jobs that most people worked at for the last 100 years. They learn these professions on the job and don't need to go to college to try and get the knowledge that is needed to perform jobs that are here to stay. Not everyone needs to go to college, that is just something that has been fostered on us for the past 50 years or so.
Robert Red Bluff

United States

#14 Feb 2, 2011
capitalist wrote:
From Alien Nation:
"Only the wealthy can afford to send their children to college ---"
For anyone to apply for financial aid: www.fafsa.ed.gov
Pell Grants, Free Scholarship searches, college work-study programs, Internships that pay back colleges. First two years at a Junior College helps too. Collegegrants.com
Where there's a will, there's a way.
The "Envy-Crowd" wants what the wealthy have, but are not willing to work hard for it, so let's just redistribute their wealth.
I guess the world needs ditch diggers too.
My good friend has two masters degrees in information tech. She also has 20 years experience with a Billion dollar company. Last year her job got sent to India and she and her crew of 50 people-all with advanced degrees in computers lost their jobs. Why? Because people like you run around calling unemployed people lazy. Because people like you have drank the Tea that the Super Wealthy are serving you. There is a certain thing called FAIRNESS and it is an American principal that people like you have forgotten long ago. Just remember, when all the wealth of the nation is in the hands of about 1000 families then the remaining 300,000,000 people won't be able to buy the stuff they are selling. Worse, they will revolt and kill those bastards and start the whole sorry cycle all over again. If I'm not mistaken I think the promise of the NEW WORLD was to break that cycle by giving the power to the population through the vote! What Happened? Think about it genius boy.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#15 Feb 2, 2011
Alien Nation wrote:
<quoted text>A democratic government is by definition "for the people", meaning all the people. I have far more trust in its altruism than the demonstrated and natural greed of individuals or businesses that are only concerned with aggrandizing themselves and their stock holders.
So, I suppose you've not witnessed the demonstration of Crony Capitalism and the natural greed of individuals and business interests in government?

I understand your desire to be rid of greed, but thinking our government is more altruistic then greedy is flawed IMO.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#16 Feb 2, 2011
Alien Nation wrote:
<quoted text>....
Pretty good scam until the entire system collapses under the weight of debt and inhumanity. You have to give Republicans credit for their ability to mislead the masses by claiming that high taxes cause job loss, when in actuality higher taxes allows the government to care for the people and create jobs at the same time instead of stashing cash in off shore accounts to avoid paying taxes on it.
The Republicans haven't misled me. But who is misleading you?

The poor don't pay any taxes, the middle class and rich do. And you suggest that they should pay even more.

You give government some type of pass while placing the blame on the rich. When in fact if taxes were doubled the government would spend it on waste and fraud.

The scam is just that. And we're witnessing a system that is collapsing from debt....GOVERNMENT DEBT.

You're vilifying the, "rich" while giving their most trusted partners a pass.
And in the process you're perpetuating something that only burdens the middle class more.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#17 Feb 2, 2011
Robert Red Bluff wrote:
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My good friend has two masters degrees in information tech. She also has 20 years experience with a Billion dollar company. Last year her job got sent to India and she and her crew of 50 people-all with advanced degrees in computers lost their jobs. Why? Because people like you run around calling unemployed people lazy. Because people like you have drank the Tea that the Super Wealthy are serving you. There is a certain thing called FAIRNESS and it is an American principal that people like you have forgotten long ago. Just remember, when all the wealth of the nation is in the hands of about 1000 families then the remaining 300,000,000 people won't be able to buy the stuff they are selling. Worse, they will revolt and kill those bastards and start the whole sorry cycle all over again. If I'm not mistaken I think the promise of the NEW WORLD was to break that cycle by giving the power to the population through the vote! What Happened? Think about it genius boy.
She lost her job because someone calls the unemployed lazy?
sanity

Redding, CA

#18 Feb 3, 2011
There are plenty of homeless with Masters degrees, there are plenty of disabled who went to college and cannot find work.

There are plenty that took out student loans to become teachers and got laid off because of budget cuts and now kids sit crammed in classrooms so tight, they have to move the desks to get out.

The government is in debt because the rich do not pay their dues. They get rich off of the backs of the rest of us. Doctors get rich because we are sick, weapons makers get rich when we go to war. But do their employees benefit? NO. No more pensions, no more social security, let's just cut it all, so the rich can get more money and pay less in taxes.
Robert Red Bluff

United States

#19 Feb 3, 2011
Respectful effort wrote:
<quoted text>She lost her job because someone calls the unemployed lazy?
Yes, because the real problem of outsourcing our jobs is ignored as the unemployed are blamed for their own unemployment. It's because they are lazy, drug addicted, made bad choices, weren't prepared, didn't stay in school, or any other excuse that can be hurled around. The issue is the jobs are not there any longer for a multitude of reasons that are serious and need to be addressed, but they are not. The overwhelming message from the right is IT'S ALL YOUR OWN DAM FAULT! I'm all for personal responsibility, but when the deck is stacked against you and you're forced to play anyway it stops being your fault if you lose. At that point it is time to change the game. Those that hold the cards should take a good look at the streets of Egypt right now and remember it can happen here as well. One major difference is that American citizens own 270,000,000 guns. I'm just saying.
Gazebo

Chico, CA

#20 Feb 3, 2011
Respectful effort wrote:
I'll take all you anti-big business people serious when you start becoming more anti-big government.
I'll not trade one powerful and greedy identity that we have a choice in doing business with for another where we're forced.
No, decentralization is the solution. The problem with your above premises is that when a service is provided by the government, there is recourse. It may not be much, but you can ask for your records, demand to speak to a supervisor, write your congressmen and the congressmen who oversee the function you take issue with, etc. If the same service is provided by the private sector you have to add in profit for the shareholders (medical was more cost effective before being donated to blue cross), then the person, records, etc. are in a foreign country and you have little or no recourse, and they are bound by no real laws (corporations are people now, so have the right to lie and steal, this has already been hashed out by the supreme court). I would rather live in neither, but will take cumbersome government over plutocracy any day.

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