Four more years.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#452 Nov 30, 2012
Sam Lowree wrote:
Four more years.
"The French politician who said Indian steel company ArcelorMittal should leave the country has told CNBC that his government is only acting like U.S. President Barack Obama.
Industry Minister Arnaud Montebourg, a member of the governing Socialist party, caused controversy last week when he said that the Indian company, which employs close to 20,000 people in France, should leave after it said it would have to close down a factory.
The French government announced on Thursday that it could nationalize the factory in question, with backing from an unnamed businessman.
The news raised the specter of the nationalizations of the early 1980s, which were instigated by Hollande’s predecessor Francois Mitterrand.
Montebourg told CNBC after a meeting with trade unions in Paris:“Barack Obama's nationalized. The Germans are nationalizing. All countries are nationalizing. I've also noticed the British nationalized 6 banks.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/50022833
Earlier in the week we had Putin calling Obama a communist now a French government official is calling him a Socialist. And you Lefties keep trying to deny the facts. Get your head out of your...and wake up to reality. Of course Socialism is your desire after all.
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Why use our own heads when we can simply parrot the incoherent ramblings of foreign leaders catering to their own domestic audiences ....?

Uh SAM?

“Facts”

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#453 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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You are such a moron. Please quote where I said that the unemployment rate in Mexico was high.
Sure..........LOL

Post 436 on this thread you claimed that they cant get a job that pays a living wage........ROTFLMAO

eyes wide shut said.
.Look at the millions of Mexicans that live in abject poverty and the millions that flee their country to the United States because they cannot get a job in their own country that pays a living wage, and they flee to the U.S. for a chance at a better life.

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#454 Nov 30, 2012
Sam Lowree wrote:
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I wouldn't be so quick to be bragging about our public education system. We come no where near the top of OECD countries when it comes to education results, we are more in the middle. Mexico, while still ranked below us, has had a larger improvement in their education system than we have had. In other words they are gaining ground on us much faster than we are on the rest of the developed world. I don't blame the teachers or the students, it is the fault of the government bureaucracy and the teachers unions.
I am only bragging about it in comparison to Mexico, but in fact my main point is that I think we need to improve it dramatically and the obvious problem is that we don't have enough good teachers.

How do you attract top quality College students and other professionals to the teaching profession?

You have to increase the compensation to a level where they will want to do it.

As it stands the best students do not go into teaching because they can make more money and get more respect elsewhere. So it is the mediocre students that go into teaching (Did you read the article I quoted where the top countries in terms of education pay alot more and get their teacher candidates from the top 1/3 of the college graduates?, in this country we get very few from that group.)

If we want better we will have to pay more. It is really that simple. I am shocked that all of you conservatives arguing against such basic market principles.

“Facts”

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#455 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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I am only bragging about it in comparison to Mexico, but in fact my main point is that I think we need to improve it dramatically and the obvious problem is that we don't have enough good teachers.
How do you attract top quality College students and other professionals to the teaching profession?
You have to increase the compensation to a level where they will want to do it.
As it stands the best students do not go into teaching because they can make more money and get more respect elsewhere. So it is the mediocre students that go into teaching (Did you read the article I quoted where the top countries in terms of education pay alot more and get their teacher candidates from the top 1/3 of the college graduates?, in this country we get very few from that group.)
If we want better we will have to pay more. It is really that simple. I am shocked that all of you conservatives arguing against such basic market principles.
The only reason you dont have enough good teachers is the teachers union and morons like you.......

Why would anyone want to take a job were someone doing the same job was not performing and they will never be fired??

Why would anyone want to take a job knowing that no matter how good they are some smuck like you doing nothing will get a raise just as soon as the hard worker???
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#456 Nov 30, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Sure..........LOL
Post 436 on this thread you claimed that they cant get a job that pays a living wage........ROTFLMAO
eyes wide shut said.
.Look at the millions of Mexicans that live in abject poverty and the millions that flee their country to the United States because they cannot get a job in their own country that pays a living wage, and they flee to the U.S. for a chance at a better life.
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Poor HERE IS ONE just proved for the 10,000th time that he has a severe comprehension problem ....LMAO

He does not understand the difference between "high unemployment rate" and "jobs that do not pay a living wage" ROTFLMAO
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#457 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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If we want better we will have to pay more. It is really that simple. I am shocked that all of you conservatives arguing against such basic market principles.
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As far as the conservatives are concerned "such basic market principles " apply only to the CEOS of large multinational corporations.....
The Infantile left Winged

United States

#458 Nov 30, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Why use our own heads when we can simply parrot the incoherent ramblings of foreign leaders catering to their own domestic audiences ....?
Uh SAM?
It is hilarious how you just will not stop making a complete ass out of yourself nicoliar mulholland!
ROTFLMAO

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#459 Nov 30, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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The only reason you dont have enough good teachers is the teachers union and morons like you.......
Why would anyone want to take a job were someone doing the same job was not performing and they will never be fired??
Why would anyone want to take a job knowing that no matter how good they are some smuck like you doing nothing will get a raise just as soon as the hard worker???
Your comment does not explain how better people would be attracted to the teaching profession if it were not unionized. Fact is, teachers would make even less if they were not union, how would that attract better people to the field?

But lets say you get rid of the bad teachers or cut the pay of the bad teachers, you still need to explain how you attract top college students to the teaching profession without increasing compensation considerably.

And by the way, you keep implying that I am a teacher, I am not, but regardless, how does implying that I am help your argument in any way shape or form?

You are not very good at this are you?

Since: Sep 12

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#460 Nov 30, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure..........LOL
Post 436 on this thread you claimed that they cant get a job that pays a living wage........ROTFLMAO
eyes wide shut said.
.Look at the millions of Mexicans that live in abject poverty and the millions that flee their country to the United States because they cannot get a job in their own country that pays a living wage, and they flee to the U.S. for a chance at a better life.
OK,

Please quote where I said that the unemployment rate in Mexico was high.

Do you really think that saying that "they cannot get a job in their own country that pays a living wage" is equivalent to saying "they have a high unemployment rate"?

Thanks for demonstrating your poor reading comprehension skills once again.

Think about what I actually said and get back to me when you think you understand the sentence that I wrote in plain English.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#461 Nov 30, 2012
The Infantile left Winged wrote:
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It is hilarious how you just will not stop making a complete ass out of yourself nicoliar mulholland!
ROTFLMAO
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Why don't you go outside and see if it looks like rain today...???

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#462 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
<quoted text>
I am only bragging about it in comparison to Mexico, but in fact my main point is that I think we need to improve it dramatically and the obvious problem is that we don't have enough good teachers.
How do you attract top quality College students and other professionals to the teaching profession?
You have to increase the compensation to a level where they will want to do it.
As it stands the best students do not go into teaching because they can make more money and get more respect elsewhere. So it is the mediocre students that go into teaching (Did you read the article I quoted where the top countries in terms of education pay alot more and get their teacher candidates from the top 1/3 of the college graduates?, in this country we get very few from that group.)
If we want better we will have to pay more. It is really that simple. I am shocked that all of you conservatives arguing against such basic market principles.
I am not against letting the market work at all. Get the government out of the education system is the first thing you have to do if you want the market to work. If you do away with government subsidies to schools the schools will then have to compete for the consumer money. Give the government money directly to the consumers and let them decide the best choice for their kids. As a result the schools would seek out the best teachers.

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#463 Nov 30, 2012
Sam Lowree wrote:
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I am not against letting the market work at all. Get the government out of the education system is the first thing you have to do if you want the market to work. If you do away with government subsidies to schools the schools will then have to compete for the consumer money. Give the government money directly to the consumers and let them decide the best choice for their kids. As a result the schools would seek out the best teachers.
ALl of the countries that have the best education systems have PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEMS (aka Government schools) that work well.

The countries that rank lowest on the list tend to be countries where the government has gotten out of schools and left education to the private schools, there may be some good private schools but the result of this for the country as a whole is disastrous.

Getting the government out of schools is not the answer. Paying teachers such that top college students will be attracted to the profession is the answer.

That is how the countries on the top of the list do it. Getting the government out of schools will only cause a dramatic decline in our quality of education. The evidence seems pretty clear on that internationally.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

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#464 Nov 30, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Poor HERE IS ONE just proved for the 10,000th time that he has a severe comprehension problem ....LMAO
He does not understand the difference between "high unemployment rate" and "jobs that do not pay a living wage" ROTFLMAO
Really..........Is that why Mexico is importing people to work???

Is that why Audi said they will import half of their work force???

“Facts”

Since: May 08

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#465 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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Your comment does not explain how better people would be attracted to the teaching profession if it were not unionized. Fact is, teachers would make even less if they were not union, how would that attract better people to the field?
But lets say you get rid of the bad teachers or cut the pay of the bad teachers, you still need to explain how you attract top college students to the teaching profession without increasing compensation considerably.
And by the way, you keep implying that I am a teacher, I am not, but regardless, how does implying that I am help your argument in any way shape or form?
You are not very good at this are you?
I will be happy to explain to you how the system IS working in many places just as soon as you answer my question......
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Please tell us MICKEY where Vern supported the ban or disagreed with your statement that the ban was a bad idea..........
Waiting..........LOL

But there are more risks with these activities you mentioned. How much harm should come from tubing down a river with friends? Add several thousand and alcohol then you have a major problem. The big picture is a young life was wasted. He could have amounted to something or someone. Judging from the out-pouring of searched I'd say he was well liked. My heart goes out to his family.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

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#466 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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OK,
Please quote where I said that the unemployment rate in Mexico was high.
Do you really think that saying that "they cannot get a job in their own country that pays a living wage" is equivalent to saying "they have a high unemployment rate"?
Thanks for demonstrating your poor reading comprehension skills once again.
Think about what I actually said and get back to me when you think you understand the sentence that I wrote in plain English.
Why would anyone work when they can go to the USA and get everything for free..........
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#467 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
<quoted text>
I am only bragging about it in comparison to Mexico, but in fact my main point is that I think we need to improve it dramatically and the obvious problem is that we don't have enough good teachers.
How do you attract top quality College students and other professionals to the teaching profession?
You have to increase the compensation to a level where they will want to do it.
As it stands the best students do not go into teaching because they can make more money and get more respect elsewhere. So it is the mediocre students that go into teaching (Did you read the article I quoted where the top countries in terms of education pay alot more and get their teacher candidates from the top 1/3 of the college graduates?, in this country we get very few from that group.)
If we want better we will have to pay more.
I answered your ridiculous statement (we need to pay teachers more to attract.....)
It will not happen absent public school reform........and that won't happen because the teacher unions will not allow it.

A mexican standoff so to speak. The teacher unions are allowing our public school system to deteriorate by not being reasonable about over generous teacher protections. Sam know it, I know it, and most people know it.
The only morons who cannot seem to figure it out, are you and the ole socialist pos.

When a union can demand that a proven child predator teacher be paid $40k to resign, things are pretty phuqued up.
IMHO that pos(Mark Bernt) should be drawn and quartered. Instead, he collected $40k of taxpayer dollars, and........he will collect his generous pension(funded by taxpayer dollars) when or IF he goes to prison.

Since: Sep 12

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#468 Nov 30, 2012
So lets say you get your way, get rid of tunure, get rid of bad teachers (though how you would know the good ones from the bad ones I am not sure). Then what do you do.

That is the question you keep failing to answer, I say that you would still need to raise teacher pay to attract good people to the profession.

You say no.

So if not how would you get good teachers, you can't win if you can't answer that question.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#469 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
So lets say you get your way, get rid of tunure, get rid of bad teachers (though how you would know the good ones from the bad ones I am not sure). Then what do you do.
That is the question you keep failing to answer, I say that you would still need to raise teacher pay to attract good people to the profession.
You say no.
So if not how would you get good teachers, you can't win if you can't answer that question.
I am done answering you questions as you will just come up with another useless question.

Public school Reform is the answer to our problems with public schools. We have proven teacher pay to be adequate(or better), and it is painfully obvious that public schools are not getting better.

You simply want to throw more money at a broken complicated public school system. Not with my dime.

getting rid of slug teachers would be a good start to restoring voter confidence in this broken system. lotsa luck with that.

You lose.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#470 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
<quoted text>
ALl of the countries that have the best education systems have PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEMS (aka Government schools) that work well.
The countries that rank lowest on the list tend to be countries where the government has gotten out of schools and left education to the private schools, there may be some good private schools but the result of this for the country as a whole is disastrous.
Getting the government out of schools is not the answer. Paying teachers such that top college students will be attracted to the profession is the answer.
That is how the countries on the top of the list do it. Getting the government out of schools will only cause a dramatic decline in our quality of education. The evidence seems pretty clear on that internationally.
Then you don't actually want free market reform.

Since: Sep 12

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#471 Nov 30, 2012
Local wrote:
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I am done answering you questions as you will just come up with another useless question.
Public school Reform is the answer to our problems with public schools. We have proven teacher pay to be adequate(or better), and it is painfully obvious that public schools are not getting better.
You simply want to throw more money at a broken complicated public school system. Not with my dime.
getting rid of slug teachers would be a good start to restoring voter confidence in this broken system. lotsa luck with that.
You lose.
It is the same question and you have yet to answer it.

I am not oppossed to some reform, but while reform may get rid of bad teachers it will not get you new teachers that are any better unless one of the reforms is drastically increased teacher compensation to attract the best and brightest to the field.

You keep saying "reform" as if that will fix the problem. How will reform attract good teachers if not through better pay?

How do you fill the spots left by the bad teachers with great teachers?

You need to be able to answer that. Even the conservative Heritage foundation agrees that we may well have to pay teachers a lot more.

You refuse to even try to answer the question.

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