“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#224 Nov 29, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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Try again. Lets see if you are capable of being honest about what I actually said.
1. You claimed yesterday that teachers are paid less than others with similar education..........

2. You were proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt by left leaning media, right leaning media and even ABC that morons like you call center but in fact is also left leaning....

3. Then today you claim that nobody understands that teachers need to be paid more than other people with a similar education.....

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Eyes wide shut said this on post number 145 here…..http://www.topix.com/fo rum/city/chico-ca/T881IIO8G6N0 PFU8L/p7
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He is so stupid that he does not understand that making 94% in 9 months what others make in 12 months is not higher pay………LOL
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Then when you add in the benefits that all non teachers would only dream about teachers are about 170% of the wages of someone with similar education and job………….ROTFLMAO

"Listen moron, Your own ABC news source says the following.

"The analysis found that public school teachers make 94 cents for every dollar earned by workers in 16 comparable occupations, according to the Census Bureau's American Community Survey data from 2010. "
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/chicago-public ...

which proves my point NOT yours. LOL.

I havn't read the others yet but it is typical for you to post sources that prove your oppenants point and then act like you won. It is one of the funniest things about you."

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#225 Nov 29, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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1. You claimed yesterday that teachers are paid less than others with similar education..........
2. You were proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt by left leaning media, right leaning media and even ABC that morons like you call center but in fact is also left leaning....
3. Then today you claim that nobody understands that teachers need to be paid more than other people with a similar education.....
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Eyes wide shut said this on post number 145 here…..http://www.topix.com/fo rum/city/chico-ca/T881IIO8G6N0 PFU8L/p7
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He is so stupid that he does not understand that making 94% in 9 months what others make in 12 months is not higher pay………LOL
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Then when you add in the benefits that all non teachers would only dream about teachers are about 170% of the wages of someone with similar education and job………….ROTFLMAO
"Listen moron, Your own ABC news source says the following.
"The analysis found that public school teachers make 94 cents for every dollar earned by workers in 16 comparable occupations, according to the Census Bureau's American Community Survey data from 2010. "
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/chicago-public ...
which proves my point NOT yours. LOL.
I havn't read the others yet but it is typical for you to post sources that prove your oppenants point and then act like you won. It is one of the funniest things about you."
Fail.

All you proved was that you do not understand even the sources that you yourself provide.

Secondly, I am not saying today that "that nobody understands that teachers need to be paid more than other people with a similar education".

How do you expect to have an actual conversation if you cannot even be honest about what your opponent says in print?

What I did say is that the fact that prop 38 lost does not prove anything factual about where teachers salaries should be, all it says is that the majority of the people who voted didn't think they needed to be raised. But the Salaries still need to be raised. Sometimes the majority is wrong.

I think we all agree that we need better teachers.

How do you propose to attract better people to the profession if not by offering them better compensation?

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#226 Nov 29, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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Fail.
All you proved was that you do not understand even the sources that you yourself provide.
Secondly, I am not saying today that "that nobody understands that teachers need to be paid more than other people with a similar education".
How do you expect to have an actual conversation if you cannot even be honest about what your opponent says in print?
What I did say is that the fact that prop 38 lost does not prove anything factual about where teachers salaries should be, all it says is that the majority of the people who voted didn't think they needed to be raised. But the Salaries still need to be raised. Sometimes the majority is wrong.
I think we all agree that we need better teachers.
How do you propose to attract better people to the profession if not by offering them better compensation?
Nice spin spin spin but everyone knows you are a liar..........LOL

ABC compared annual wages of teachers compared to similar educated people and found out that teachers earn 94% in nine months of the wage that others make working 12 months....

Then the teachers get benefits that other workers only dream about........

Another question for the moron that never answers any questions.......LOL
1. So why dont you tell us what we dont understand......

Liar..........You claimed today that we don't understand that teachers need to get paid more..........

Liar prop 38 was never part of your original claim that teachers are underpaid..........But nice spin spin spin........

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#227 Nov 29, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Liar prop 38 was never part of your original claim that teachers are underpaid..........But nice spin spin spin........
Of course it wasn't you brain dead moron!

Local brought it up, He said it proved that teachers should not be paid more. my point in response was that the fact that it failed does not prove anything factual one way or another about whether not teachers should be paid more, all it proves is that the majority of people that voted hold that OPINION. But the majority is not always right.

Your reading comprhension skills are pathetic and I really tire of having to explain basic sentences to you over and over and over.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#228 Nov 29, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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Of course it wasn't you brain dead moron!
Local brought it up, He said it proved that teachers should not be paid more. my point in response was that the fact that it failed does not prove anything factual one way or another about whether not teachers should be paid more, all it proves is that the majority of people that voted hold that OPINION. But the majority is not always right.
Your reading comprhension skills are pathetic and I really tire of having to explain basic sentences to you over and over and over.
Spin spin spin..........LOL

Please tell us again how teachers are paid less than other similar workers..........ROTFLMAO

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#229 Nov 29, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Spin spin spin..........LOL
Please tell us again how teachers are paid less than other similar workers..........ROTFLMAO
Overall, the EPI finds that teachers make about 12% less than other similarly educated workers. The picture only changes a little when you factor in benefits. Extrapolating from trends they found in 2006 data, the researchers estimate that total compensation for public school teachers lags by 9%. Compared to professions requiring similar skill levels, the wage gap was 14.3%

Worldwide, teachers tend to make less than other college graduates. But even in that realm of diminished expectations, the U.S. still doesn't look so hot. According to the OECD's findings, we pay our teachers about 60% of what their educational peers earn. That's way less akin to developed countries like Germany and Australia, where pay is closer to 90%, and more in line with Italy, Poland, and Slovenia.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2...

Even your right wing Heritage foundation study agrees with me in principle though they miscalculate teachers wages they still say that, and I quote:

“but recruiting highly effective teachers into the profession may require present levels of compensation or perhaps even higher levels."

FACT: According to a recent study by the National Association of Colleges and Employers, the teaching profession has an average national starting salary of $30,377. Meanwhile, NACE finds that other college graduates who enter fields requiring similar training and responsibilities start at higher salaries:
• Computer programmers start at an average of $43,635,
• Public accounting professionals at $44,668, and
• Registered nurses at $45,570.
Not only do teachers start lower than other professionals, but the more years they put into teaching, the wider the gap gets.
• A report from NEA Research, which is based on US census data, finds that annual pay for teachers has fallen sharply over the past 60 years in relation to the annual pay of other workers with college degrees. Throughout the nation the average earnings of workers with at least four years of college are now over 50 percent higher than the average earnings of a teacher.
• An analysis of weekly wage trends by researchers at the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) shows that teachers' wages have fallen behind those of other workers since 1996, with teachers' inflation-adjusted weekly wages rising just 0.8%, far less than the 12% weekly wage growth of other college graduates and of all workers. Further, a comparison of teachers' weekly wages to those of other workers with similar education and experience shows that, since 1993, female teacher wages have fallen behind 13% and male teacher wages 12.5%(11.5% among all teachers). Since 1979 teacher wages relative to those of other similar workers have dropped 18.5% among women, 9.3% among men, and 13.1% among both combined.
• Teachers lost spending power for themselves and their families as inflation outpaced increases in teacher salaries last year, according to NEA Research. Inflation increased 3.1 percent over the past year, while teacher salaries increased by only 2.3 percent.
http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#232 Nov 29, 2012
Hows that?
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#233 Nov 29, 2012
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I will save the moron HERE IS ONE the effort of a reply....

"Spin spin spin..........LOL

Please tell us again how teachers are paid less than other similar workers..........ROTFLMAO "
sociopathic Liberals

Chico, CA

#234 Nov 29, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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I will save the moron HERE IS ONE the effort of a reply....
"Spin spin spin..........LOL
Please tell us again how teachers are paid less than other similar workers..........ROTFLMAO "
You are such a pathetic LOOOOOSER, Mulholland!!! LMAO

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#235 Nov 29, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Ahhhhhh.........!

Like I said Road Toa d...

The truth ALWAYS comes out in the end...!

Old Bob Mulholland: aka- "GRANDPA NICOLAI", Tea Party Solution, TSQ, et.al.

Here is a quick synopsis of old Bob the Road Toa d...

It really is quite informative...!

http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html

And you REALLY have to love the picture of old Bob the Road Toa d and his beard/wife who is now pursuing her career as a John Lennon impersonator...!

http://www.merrystandish.com/i//janeandbob.jp...

You know... it all really makes sense now...

Old Bob Mulholland is a radical, mouth-breathing Leftist Socialist Democrat...!

Old "GRANDPA NICLOAI" is a radical, mouth-breathing Leftist Socialist Democrat...!

Old Bob Mulholland has literally NOTHING to do now that the Democrat Party has told him to HIT THE ROAD and don't come back...

Old "GRANDPA NICOLAI" has literally NOTHING else to do but vent this frustrated anger on the TOPIX forums ALL DAY LONG...!

It all just FITS so nicely that it just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside...!!!

I will be posting other interesting correlations to old Bob Mulholland and "GRANDPA NICOLAI" late on...

"BUTT" isn't it great that old Road Toa d has finally been "OUTED" and he has no one to blame "BUTT" himself...!!!

As old Road Toa d would say...

ROTFLMAO times (x) A HUNDRED MILLION ZILLION...!!!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#236 Nov 29, 2012
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Ahhh!

Here come the clowns from HERE IS ONE's cheering team......
The Infantile left Winged

Chico, CA

#237 Nov 29, 2012
GRANDPA MULHOLLAND wrote:
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Ahhhhhh.........!
Like I said Road Toa d...
The truth ALWAYS comes out in the end...!
Old Bob Mulholland: aka- "GRANDPA NICOLAI", Tea Party Solution, TSQ, et.al.
Here is a quick synopsis of old Bob the Road Toa d...
It really is quite informative...!
http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html
And you REALLY have to love the picture of old Bob the Road Toa d and his beard/wife who is now pursuing her career as a John Lennon impersonator...!
http://www.merrystandish.com/i//janeandbob.jp...
You know... it all really makes sense now...
Old Bob Mulholland is a radical, mouth-breathing Leftist Socialist Democrat...!
Old "GRANDPA NICLOAI" is a radical, mouth-breathing Leftist Socialist Democrat...!
Old Bob Mulholland has literally NOTHING to do now that the Democrat Party has told him to HIT THE ROAD and don't come back...
Old "GRANDPA NICOLAI" has literally NOTHING else to do but vent this frustrated anger on the TOPIX forums ALL DAY LONG...!
It all just FITS so nicely that it just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside...!!!
I will be posting other interesting correlations to old Bob Mulholland and "GRANDPA NICOLAI" late on...
"BUTT" isn't it great that old Road Toa d has finally been "OUTED" and he has no one to blame "BUTT" himself...!!!
As old Road Toa d would say...
ROTFLMAO times (x) A HUNDRED MILLION ZILLION...!!!
So that actually is the puke in living color? ROTFLMAO
No wonder it hides!!! Still ROTFLMAO
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#238 Nov 29, 2012
The Infantile left Winged wrote:
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So that actually is the puke in living color? ROTFLMAO
No wonder it hides!!! Still ROTFLMAO
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Looks more like you, you are the balding, doofus...LMAO

I got a full head of hair....
The Infantile left Winged

Chico, CA

#239 Nov 29, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Looks more like you, you are the balding, doofus...LMAO
I got a full head of hair....
I'm supposed to believe that?
The way that you lie!
I bet that, that shiny empty skull of yours slips right up your king oblamers butt! LMAO
And you look just like a liberal!!! ROTFLMAO

So prove me wrong mulholland, where and when???
The Infantile left Winged

Chico, CA

#240 Nov 29, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Looks more like you, you are the balding, doofus...LMAO
I got a full head of hair....
And by your picture? I'll give you 5'-3" tall! LMAO Littlemansyndromeprick. Where and when mulholland?
TWP

Hopedale, IL

#241 Nov 29, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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the balding doofus...
Oh Bob...!

Face it you balding old doofus... the Genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back now...!

Why don't you act like a MAN for once in your miserable life and stop denying the truth...?

Are you, Bob Mulholland really such a miserable loser that you can't handle facing reality and have to live life hiding behind these obviously ridiculous characters you have created like "GRANDPA NICOLAI"...?

Seriously Bob... why would someone who is worth over $100 Million Dollars like your "GRANDPA NICOLAI" character spend even one minute arguing with total strangers on an internet chat forum about the trivial nonsense you obsess on for 16 hours a day...?

Your delusional fantasies of grandeur just never passed the smell test Bob...

NEVER...!!!

So for God's sake just stop it Bob...

The longer you keep denying the truth and hiding behind these silly little characters you have created the worse it will be in the end...

The TRUTH always comes out in the end Bob...

Maybe it is about time you grew up and realized that...!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#242 Nov 30, 2012
The Infantile left Winged wrote:
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I'm supposed to believe that?
The way that you lie!
I bet that, that shiny empty skull of yours slips right up your king oblamers butt! LMAO
And you look just like a liberal!!! ROTFLMAO
So prove me wrong mulholland, where and when???
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You can believe whatever nonsense you want....

Your absolute lack of common sense is astounding...

Your ridiculous monikers betrays your utter stupidity, only a complete moron would call himself SOCIOPATH in the AM and INFANTILE in the PM....LMAO

You have even less in the upstairs department than that schizophrenic old bitch who can't make up her mind if she is TWP or GRANDPA MULLHOLLAND.... ROTFLMAO

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#243 Nov 30, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
<quoted text>
Overall, the EPI finds that teachers make about 12% less than other similarly educated workers. The picture only changes a little when you factor in benefits. Extrapolating from trends they found in 2006 data, the researchers estimate that total compensation for public school teachers lags by 9%. Compared to professions requiring similar skill levels, the wage gap was 14.3%
Worldwide, teachers tend to make less than other college graduates. But even in that realm of diminished expectations, the U.S. still doesn't look so hot. According to the OECD's findings, we pay our teachers about 60% of what their educational peers earn. That's way less akin to developed countries like Germany and Australia, where pay is closer to 90%, and more in line with Italy, Poland, and Slovenia.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2...
Even your right wing Heritage foundation study agrees with me in principle though they miscalculate teachers wages they still say that, and I quote:
“but recruiting highly effective teachers into the profession may require present levels of compensation or perhaps even higher levels."
FACT: According to a recent study by the National Association of Colleges and Employers, the teaching profession has an average national starting salary of $30,377. Meanwhile, NACE finds that other college graduates who enter fields requiring similar training and responsibilities start at higher salaries:
• Computer programmers start at an average of $43,635,
• Public accounting professionals at $44,668, and
• Registered nurses at $45,570.
Not only do teachers start lower than other professionals, but the more years they put into teaching, the wider the gap gets.
• A report from NEA Research, which is based on US census data, finds that annual pay for teachers has fallen sharply over the past 60 years in relation to the annual pay of other workers with college degrees. Throughout the nation the average earnings of workers with at least four years of college are now over 50 percent higher than the average earnings of a teacher.
• An analysis of weekly wage trends by researchers at the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) shows that teachers' wages have fallen behind those of other workers since 1996, with teachers' inflation-adjusted weekly wages rising just 0.8%, far less than the 12% weekly wage growth of other college graduates and of all workers. Further, a comparison of teachers' weekly wages to those of other workers with similar education and experience shows that, since 1993, female teacher wages have fallen behind 13% and male teacher wages 12.5%(11.5% among all teachers). Since 1979 teacher wages relative to those of other similar workers have dropped 18.5% among women, 9.3% among men, and 13.1% among both combined.
• Teachers lost spending power for themselves and their families as inflation outpaced increases in teacher salaries last year, according to NEA Research. Inflation increased 3.1 percent over the past year, while teacher salaries increased by only 2.3 percent.
http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm
I see you are still to stupid to compare annual salaries and add in the benefits..........LOL

Do you like making a fool of yourself???

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#244 Nov 30, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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I will save the moron HERE IS ONE the effort of a reply....
"Spin spin spin..........LOL
Please tell us again how teachers are paid less than other similar workers..........ROTFLMAO "
Did that article show teachers siting a independent report???

NOPE..........LOL

Did my links site a independent report???

YES....

Did his far left links compare annual wages???

NOPE

Did they add in the benefits????

NOPE..........ROTFLMAO

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#245 Nov 30, 2012
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Looks more like you, you are the balding, doofus...LMAO
I got a full head of hair....
Just like you have a million shares of Apple but never received a shareholders report that showed you Apple did indeed move part of the company to Nevada and is moving another part to Texas..........ROTFLMAO

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