Obama Records Myth another false One

Obama Records Myth another false One

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One for One

Santa Rosa, CA

#1 Feb 23, 2013
Obama’s College records are sealed from Occidental College, Columbia and Harvard

Pursuant to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974, it would be illegal under federal law for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard to release the records of any student to reporters or member of the general public without specific written permission from said student. Obama has not released those records, but neither has any other presidential candidate in history.

Another ONE Bites the Dust....
Progun

Weyers Cave, VA

#2 Feb 23, 2013
Of course he wont release them, then he will be proven a KENYAN born P.O.S. Muslim terrorist.
TSQ

Pearl City, HI

#3 Feb 23, 2013
One for One wrote:
Obama’s College records are sealed from Occidental College, Columbia and Harvard
Pursuant to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974, it would be illegal under federal law for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard to release the records of any student to reporters or member of the general public without specific written permission from said student. Obama has not released those records, but neither has any other presidential candidate in history.
Another ONE Bites the Dust....
Why do you care about his college records? Do you want to know how well or poorly he did or are you one of the people who thinks he either didn't go to those schools or attended them as a foreign student? Why is this such an important issue for you? What does it matter at all for this president or presidency or any of the political issues our country is facing?
TSQ

Pearl City, HI

#4 Feb 23, 2013
Progun wrote:
Of course he wont release them, then he will be proven a KENYAN born P.O.S. Muslim terrorist.
Do you really believe the president of the United States is not a US citizen or are you just blowing off steam by saying demonstrably false things? You can't really believe what you write, can you? Please tell me you don't believe a word of it and you are just blowing your top like normal. That would make me feel a lot better than to know you are so deeply ignorant on this. If you do believe this nonsense, what is your best source?(Or don't you believe in sources for factual claims?)
TSQ

Pearl City, HI

#5 Feb 23, 2013
One for One wrote:
Obama’s College records are sealed from Occidental College, Columbia and Harvard
Pursuant to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974, it would be illegal under federal law for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard to release the records of any student to reporters or member of the general public without specific written permission from said student. Obama has not released those records, but neither has any other presidential candidate in history.
Another ONE Bites the Dust....
I think I misunderstood your point in this post- Obama is not doing anything differently from any past presidential candidate but is being held to a different standard for some reason. If that was your point, sorry it took me so long to get it and thanks for making it. Be well.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#6 Feb 25, 2013
TSQ wrote:
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I think I misunderstood your point in this post- Obama is not doing anything differently from any past presidential candidate but is being held to a different standard for some reason. If that was your point, sorry it took me so long to get it and thanks for making it. Be well.
Obama is being held to his own "standard".
Dan Rather: Obama 'Has Delivered Less Transparency,''Hasn't Met His Promises'(VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/23/dan-...

When a lefty like Dan is complaining about obama, you know that it is a serious abdication of a solemn promise.

Obama's Promise of Government Transparency Is a Farce

http://reason.com/archives/2012/06/26/obamas-...

Be well.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#7 Feb 25, 2013
TSQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think I misunderstood your point in this post- Obama is not doing anything differently from any past presidential candidate but is being held to a different standard for some reason. If that was your point, sorry it took me so long to get it and thanks for making it. Be well.
btw, I am interested in hearing your updated take on the Syrian rebellion(massacre).

We had a conversation about obaam's handling, or mishandling of the situation depending upon your point of view. From where I sit, it looks like the same ole abdication of a leadership role has led to the deaths of over 60,000 syrians(and still counting).
How about you?

TSQ

Pearl City, HI

#8 Feb 25, 2013
Local wrote:
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Obama is being held to his own "standard".
Dan Rather: Obama 'Has Delivered Less Transparency,''Hasn't Met His Promises'(VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/23/dan-...
When a lefty like Dan is complaining about obama, you know that it is a serious abdication of a solemn promise.
Obama's Promise of Government Transparency Is a Farce
http://reason.com/archives/2012/06/26/obamas-...
Be well.
I think criticisms of the Obama administration for not being as transparent as promised are legitimate. I do not think the promise of transparency extends to the president's school records. I see those as totally separate and nonequivalent issues. I think President Obama and his administration deserve to be pressed on the first issue but the second one is a total diversion and distraction meant only to plant doubts about the president's competence to govern or worse (conspiracy theories about the president's citizenship). I am sure that someone like you will see the difference between these two issues immediately. Please let me know if I am wrong.
TSQ

Pearl City, HI

#9 Feb 25, 2013
Local wrote:
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btw, I am interested in hearing your updated take on the Syrian rebellion(massacre).
We had a conversation about obaam's handling, or mishandling of the situation depending upon your point of view. From where I sit, it looks like the same ole abdication of a leadership role has led to the deaths of over 60,000 syrians(and still counting).
How about you?
I think that we should have done more before this point and should do more now, but that is a moral judgment, not one based squarely on a view of US strategic interests.

It is arguable, and is argued by many foreign policy Realists, that Obama has done the right thing on Syria from the perspective of US strategic interests. It did not suit the US to intervene and risk the lives of its troops and those of allied nations in a mission whose outcome could not be easily predicted, they argue(d). Further, they say that the war could have expanded (and still might) significantly beyond Syria's borders and involve more than refugee flows, it could involve hundreds of thousands of deaths instead of tens of thousands and result in the destabilization of neighboring states like Lebanon and Jordan.

Having made that argument for them, the argument that Realists like Henry Kissinger and others have made, I find their position unsatisfactory. I, like you, believe that we should stand for certain principles and defend innocent human life against atrocities committed by tyrannical regimes and that more could have been done and could still be done to bring a resolution to the conflict with a far lesser loss of life.

I also believe the issue was politicized by the Republicans before the last election like so many other issues including Benghazi (I have no interest in arguing about that here, though, I'm just using that as an example). I think they did a disservice to the US and did not (most of the GOP leadership) work sincerely on the Syrian issue, they just used it to bash the president over the head with and had no plausible alternative to his policy, which means that their (most of them) criticism was empty, opportunistic, and cynical.

I do not include you among those people, though, as I know you are sincerely interested in the issue and your bringing it up now is further proof of your sincere interest in it (note the contrast between your continued interest in it with others on the right who have dropped the issue entirely- and Benghazi?- because it no longer serves a political purpose to talk about it/them).

Just a few thoughts. Thank you for asking. I hope I didn't ramble on too much. Be well.

:)
Non-Transparent One

Amity, OR

#10 Feb 26, 2013
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is being held to his own "standard".
Dan Rather: Obama 'Has Delivered Less Transparency,''Hasn't Met His Promises'(VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/23/dan-...
When a lefty like Dan is complaining about obama, you know that it is a serious abdication of a solemn promise.
Obama's Promise of Government Transparency Is a Farce
http://reason.com/archives/2012/06/26/obamas-...
Be well.
Speaking of Transparency, your fearfull leader Here is One, THE MEXITROLL, has invited all of us to a MEET AND GREET in Ukiah on March 6th but has suddenly disappered.

Curious for a guy who threatens so many. Not very transparent for One who has extended the Invitation. WHAT is he sooooo worried about? Oh yeah, He is a FRAUD!

Never Mind!!!!
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#11 Feb 26, 2013
TSQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think criticisms of the Obama administration for not being as transparent as promised are legitimate. I do not think the promise of transparency extends to the president's school records. I see those as totally separate and nonequivalent issues.
The pres. promised to be "the most transparent in history".

Not only is that statement untrue, it is nearly a baldfaced lie(as I have cited in previous posts.)
I am sure that you can do better than "not being as transparent".......but you choose not to. You are an obama fan, hence you give him a pass on very serious issues. That is your choice, however, I must object. The humantiarian issues in Syria are undeniable, and the bhengazi incident is a complete failure of leadership and accountability.
In regard to school records, etc........I would think that a man who claims to want to be "the most transparent in history" would put his best foot forward on all fronts. He does not for obvious reasons.
It keeps a few detractors busy fumbling through records, and fuels his ability to appear as some sort of victim, hence enabling him to further attack and divide our populace.
The election is over.....it is time to heal the wounds and unite the country. His failure to do so is his most glaring failure.

Do you not agree?
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#13 Feb 26, 2013
Non-Transparent One wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking of Transparency, your fearfull leader Here is One, THE MEXITROLL, has invited all of us to a MEET AND GREET in Ukiah on March 6th but has suddenly disappered.
Curious for a guy who threatens so many. Not very transparent for One who has extended the Invitation. WHAT is he sooooo worried about? Oh yeah, He is a FRAUD!
Never Mind!!!!
He is on the road....heading north.

see you at oco time?
TSQ

Pearl City, HI

#14 Feb 26, 2013
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
The pres. promised to be "the most transparent in history".
Not only is that statement untrue, it is nearly a baldfaced lie(as I have cited in previous posts.)
I am sure that you can do better than "not being as transparent".......but you choose not to. You are an obama fan, hence you give him a pass on very serious issues. That is your choice, however, I must object. The humantiarian issues in Syria are undeniable, and the bhengazi incident is a complete failure of leadership and accountability.
In regard to school records, etc........I would think that a man who claims to want to be "the most transparent in history" would put his best foot forward on all fronts. He does not for obvious reasons.
It keeps a few detractors busy fumbling through records, and fuels his ability to appear as some sort of victim, hence enabling him to further attack and divide our populace.
The election is over.....it is time to heal the wounds and unite the country. His failure to do so is his most glaring failure.
Do you not agree?
Disagree.
Go Lead THERE

Amity, OR

#16 Feb 27, 2013
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
btw, I am interested in hearing your updated take on the Syrian rebellion(massacre).
We had a conversation about obaam's handling, or mishandling of the situation depending upon your point of view. From where I sit, it looks like the same ole abdication of a leadership role has led to the deaths of over 60,000 syrians(and still counting).
How about you?
You can VOLUNTEER for whichever side you wish in that conflict!

Go! NOW! Express yourself in reality. BUTT NOT HERE!

GO LEAD!
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#17 Feb 27, 2013
TSQ wrote:
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Disagree.
Predictable. When or if you ever find it within yourself to express a(any) criticism of the pres., your "disagreement"(with the entire post apparently) would hold meaning.

There are a plethora of issues to choose from, as all of our Country's problems seem to be in a state of flux/uncertainty in this... obama era.


Edification please.
bait 4 lunch

United States

#18 Feb 27, 2013
Local wrote:
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He is on the road....heading north.
see you at oco time?
Yum, Yum I'm Hungry!
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#19 Feb 27, 2013
TSQ wrote:
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Please cite any post you can where I have displayed anything like "blind adoration of our current 'leader.'" Are you able to do that or do you want to now rethink or rephrase your last comment?
Your posts have a unique quality. There are few(if any) criticisms of our current leader. I suppose one could construe this as a show of respect for the office, or one could mistake your softball critiques as blind adoration.

Perhaps I am mistaken......however, in your case?.....it would be an error easily made.

It is easier to perceive error than to find truth, for the former lies on the surface and is easily seen, while the latter lies in the depth, where few are willing to search for it.-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe-
TSQ

Pearl City, HI

#20 Feb 27, 2013
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
Predictable. When or if you ever find it within yourself to express a(any) criticism of the pres., your "disagreement"(with the entire post apparently) would hold meaning.
There are a plethora of issues to choose from, as all of our Country's problems seem to be in a state of flux/uncertainty in this... obama era.
Edification please.
You must have forgotten entirely past conversations which we have had where I have expressed criticism of this administration including over the issue of Syria. I don't know if you are confusing me with someone else, if you have simply forgotten the ground we have covered before, or if you are willfully distorting what it is we have talked about in prior threads. I hope it is not number three because I have given you more credit than that up to this point. I can only hope that it is your memory which is failing you. If that is the case I wish for you greater limbic vitality.
TSQ

Pearl City, HI

#21 Feb 27, 2013
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
Your posts have a unique quality. There are few(if any) criticisms of our current leader. I suppose one could construe this as a show of respect for the office, or one could mistake your softball critiques as blind adoration.
Perhaps I am mistaken......however, in your case?.....it would be an error easily made.
It is easier to perceive error than to find truth, for the former lies on the surface and is easily seen, while the latter lies in the depth, where few are willing to search for it.-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe-
I think the most unique quality of my posts here these days (as in the past) is their rarity. I rarely chime in on any issue at all. When I have in the past it has not just been to support the current president and his policies. I have been critical of him in addition to defending him. I agree with most of his domestic policy choices because I am a liberal like he is. You will disagree with most of his domestic policy choices because you are a conservative. That is the most natural thing in the world and that is where the discussion should begin, not with assumptions of reflexive loyalty to a man or an office. You have voiced criticism of his policy on Syria and in other areas and I have told you in the past that on some issues I agree with you, Syria in particular. I don't know why you have forgotten that or chosen to forget that. Maybe some of the other people you enjoy sparring with have been absent lately and you were hoping to find some of that excitement with me.

I am interested in talking about issues and going back and forth on them, perhaps debating them if you like, but I am not interested in discussions that start from the premise that one side or the other is all wrong and that the other has a monopoly on the truth and that any one man or administration (Bush, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Roosevelt, LBJ, Nixon, whoever) is all bad or all good. You seem to have a different view. Just as you accuse others (me most recently in this thread) of adoration of the current president, you seem to have to believe that he is all terrible, a president who can't do anything right (although I do REMEMBER your support of his killing of bin Laden in a past discussion with me. Was that the only thing you could think of to say that was good about him? I think it was.). Aren't you doing the same thing as those you criticize here, but just from the other angle? Instead of being reflexively supportive of the president, are you reflexively critical of him? Does it make any sense to think that way?

If you will allow me to offer you some friendly advice, I think you should try to rise above that in your thinking and commentary here. I do not want to seem patronizing, but you are obviously intelligent, knowledgeable, informed, and principled. Why do you have to be the mirror image of those you think adore their great leader? Why does Obama have to be such an monstrous leader in your eyes? What would be so wrong with you thinking that he was merely a bad leader (like I thought Bush was) instead of trying to impugn his character or paint him as by far and away the worst president in US history? Do you really believe that, or is that just you blowing off steam?

If we were talking about former president Bush I would be able to offer a lot of criticism of his administration, but I would still be able to mention things I thought he and his administration did right and I could say that I thought that he was doing what he thought was best for the country, that his intentions were good and sincere, that he was not a bad person but rather created many bad policies for the country. Doesn't that strike you as a balanced and realistic approach to politics? Don't you think that would be a legitimate thing for you to feel for the current president? Where does all the animus come from? Is it real or leftover overheated campaign rhetoric or something else? What gives?
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#22 Feb 28, 2013
and you my friend, should face some really hard facts.
You know what they are, but you refuse to put them into print. That fact says it all.
Enuff said.

Be well.

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