“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#21 Nov 20, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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There were Irish gangs, ever hear of five points in NY?
Italian gangs, the gang to beat all gangs, ever hear of the MAFIA?
Chinese gangs, Hmong Gangs, Russian Gangs in Roseveille and SF.
And by the way, yes there are Mexican Prison gangs. but these are not "Illegal Mexican" prison gangs. Most of the members are U.S. citizens by birth. Of course their are exceptions, but those gangs were formed in California Prisons by Mexican Americans, not illegals, Ever see American Me, about one of the founders of La "M", etc. Illegals are a very small part of the problem.
It seems to me that your problem is you seem to be conflating Mexican Americans with illegal immigrants. It is apples and oranges.
You are too stupid to understand that the prison numbers dont include the millions caught committing crimes that are waiting for processing and deportation......

But the links have been posted for you dozens of times and you ignore them..........

Typical liberal..........spin spin spin and then duck and dodge.......

Since: Sep 12

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#22 Nov 20, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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The vast majority of criminal invaders caught sneaking into the USA are in fact gang bangers.......
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LOL

Really, is that what you think?

I guess you also think that the rest of us are as stupid as you are?

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#23 Nov 20, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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LOL
Really, is that what you think?
I guess you also think that the rest of us are as stupid as you are?
I posted the links for you dozens of times..........LOL

Most that are caught were also caught once before so that makes sneaking in a felony.......

Nor do your numbers include the millions not in the prison system.........If you include them criminal invaders commit far more per capita crimes than any other group.....

Since: Sep 12

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#24 Nov 20, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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I posted the links for you dozens of times..........LOL
Most that are caught were also caught once before so that makes sneaking in a felony.......
Nor do your numbers include the millions not in the prison system.........If you include them criminal invaders commit far more per capita crimes than any other group.....
Enough of your lies, nobody believes a word you say. You are not even worth talking to. I don't know why I bother.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#25 Nov 20, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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Enough of your lies, nobody believes a word you say. You are not even worth talking to. I don't know why I bother.
Can you prove me wrong?????
NOPE

Have I posted links that back up my statements?????
YES

Are you man enough to even answer a simple question???
NOPE

Please tell us MICKEY where Vern supported the ban or disagreed with your statement that the ban was a bad idea..........
Waiting..........LOL

But there are more risks with these activities you mentioned. How much harm should come from tubing down a river with friends? Add several thousand and alcohol then you have a major problem. The big picture is a young life was wasted. He could have amounted to something or someone. Judging from the out-pouring of searched I'd say he was well liked. My heart goes out to his family.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#26 Nov 20, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Can you prove me wrong?????
NOPE
I have, over and over and over, as have most of the people on here.

The problem is that you think you are entitled to your own facts, which makes you irrational and kind of hard to have a conversation with because when faced with proof you deny facts, change the subject, and weasel around, anything to avoid facing reality.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#27 Nov 20, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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I have, over and over and over, as have most of the people on here.
The problem is that you think you are entitled to your own facts, which makes you irrational and kind of hard to have a conversation with because when faced with proof you deny facts, change the subject, and weasel around, anything to avoid facing reality.
You have never proven anything other than you are a moron..........LOL

Yes you spin spin spin and change the subject from government built water projects to water use.....

here is one simple lie you refuse to address......

Please tell us MICKEY where Vern supported the ban or disagreed with your statement that the ban was a bad idea..........
Waiting..........LOL

But there are more risks with these activities you mentioned. How much harm should come from tubing down a river with friends? Add several thousand and alcohol then you have a major problem. The big picture is a young life was wasted. He could have amounted to something or someone. Judging from the out-pouring of searched I'd say he was well liked. My heart goes out to his family.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#28 Nov 20, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Yes you spin spin spin and change the subject from government built water projects to water use.....
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No one is changing the subject. We are not talking about rain water use or even ground water use. We are talking about water delivered from one place to another, by GOVERNMENT WATER PROJECTS, the reason we are not talking about PRIVATE WATER PROJECTS is because they are so rare as to be irrelevant.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#29 Nov 20, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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No one is changing the subject. We are not talking about rain water use or even ground water use. We are talking about water delivered from one place to another, by GOVERNMENT WATER PROJECTS, the reason we are not talking about PRIVATE WATER PROJECTS is because they are so rare as to be irrelevant.
Yes and most government water delivery projects goes to cities......Not Farmers.......

You specifically mentioned the rice growers near Sac. And most of that was built and owned using private funds....

Between Williams and Woodland the water delivery systems for farmers was built using private funds.....

But what do you expect from a moron that claims to know more what a person thinks than the person himself........

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#30 Nov 20, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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Yes and most government water delivery projects goes to cities......Not Farmers......
As I have already proven to you. 80-85% of the water from these projects goes to ag, only 10% goes to urban use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_Califor...
Here Is One wrote:
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You specifically mentioned the rice growers near Sac. And most of that was built and owned using private funds....
No, as I have already proved to you, the rice and orchard farmers in Nor Cal get their water from Orovile and Shasta dams and it is delivered by pumphous es and canals that are part of the SWP (state Water project). NONE OF WHICH IS PRIVATELY BUILT OR PRIVATELY OWNED.
Here Is One wrote:
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Between Williams and Woodland the water delivery systems for farmers was built using private funds.....
But what do you expect from a moron that claims to know more what a person thinks than the person himself........
Williams and Woodland are about 20 miles apart, and I suppose it is possible that there is a small privately built water delivery system there, but even so it would be irrelavant as compared to the other 99% or some odd percent comprised of the Shasta Dam project the SWP and the Central valley project and other Government built water delivery systems that make up the VAST MAJORITY of California's water storage and delivery systems. I didn't say that there are no privately built systems, just that if they exist they are so rare and make up such a small part of the overall system as to be irrelevant. Nothing you have said refutes that in any way shape or form.

You are obviously over your head again, doesn't it get embarassing to be demonstratably wrong about so many things so often?
Annoyed

Paradise, CA

#32 Nov 21, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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There were Irish gangs, ever hear of five points in NY?

One small group in one area of NY...yes I've heard of them.

Italian gangs, the gang to beat all gangs, ever hear of the MAFIA?

NOW YOU"RE TALKING...I'd say something LIKE the mafia...I agree. Persistant illegal people determined to make it in the U.S.

Chinese gangs, Hmong Gangs, Russian Gangs in Roseveille and SF.

NAH, the mex. cartel and gangs could eat them for breakfast. The Chinese etc. don't have the organization..just check the prisons and see who rules there.

And by the way, yes there are Mexican Prison gangs. but these are not "Illegal Mexican" prison gangs. Most of the members are U.S. citizens by birth. Of course their are exceptions, but those gangs were formed in California Prisons by Mexican Americans, not illegals, Ever see American Me, about one of the founders of La "M", etc. Illegals are a very small part of the problem.
It seems to me that your problem is you seem to be conflating Mexican Americans with illegal immigrants. It is apples and oranges.
As far as your last paragraph I'd say you need to get out and mix with people more because your whole sense of correctness comes from a book rather than your own experiences. I've worked with M. immigrants and they've worked for me. I know what goes on financially through wage garnishments, conversations, hirings, firings, and the like. I don't think you know what you're talking about

But if you want to live in your rose colored false land, who can blame you? I'm sure you must find it more comfortable and rewarding there.

Although????:
"Italian gangs, the gang to beat all gangs, ever hear of the MAFIA?

NOW YOU"RE TALKING...I'd say something LIKE the mafia...I agree. Persistant illegal people determined to make it in the U.S."

I believe you just made my case for me. Now do you understand???

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#33 Nov 21, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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As I have already proven to you. 80-85% of the water from these projects goes to ag, only 10% goes to urban use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_Califor...
<quoted text>
No, as I have already proved to you, the rice and orchard farmers in Nor Cal get their water from Orovile and Shasta dams and it is delivered by pumphous es and canals that are part of the SWP (state Water project). NONE OF WHICH IS PRIVATELY BUILT OR PRIVATELY OWNED.
<quoted text>
Williams and Woodland are about 20 miles apart, and I suppose it is possible that there is a small privately built water delivery system there, but even so it would be irrelavant as compared to the other 99% or some odd percent comprised of the Shasta Dam project the SWP and the Central valley project and other Government built water delivery systems that make up the VAST MAJORITY of California's water storage and delivery systems. I didn't say that there are no privately built systems, just that if they exist they are so rare and make up such a small part of the overall system as to be irrelevant. Nothing you have said refutes that in any way shape or form.
You are obviously over your head again, doesn't it get embarassing to be demonstratably wrong about so many things so often?
You have proven only that you are a moron........

everything you post is pure spin and duck and dodge.....

Your original statement was that moronic liberals built the water system that waters the rice around SAC.......

And most of the canals come out of the Sac river and were in fact privately built..........LOL

spin spin spin.........

Why cant you tell us why you refuse to answer even simple questions?????
sociopathic Liberals

Chico, CA

#34 Nov 21, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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You have proven only that you are a moron........

And most of the canals come out of the Sac river and were in fact privately built..........LOL
And then the Govt. confiscated these "privately built" canals, because they could manage and maintain them better! LMAO
And lets not forget that they made it fair for all! How dare you take more water than others!!!
And then! Thank God for Govt. management of these water ways... because they have saved the delta smelt too! From evil humans of course!

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#35 Nov 21, 2012
sociopathic Liberals wrote:
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And then the Govt. confiscated these "privately built" canals, because they could manage and maintain them better! LMAO
And lets not forget that they made it fair for all! How dare you take more water than others!!!
And then! Thank God for Govt. management of these water ways... because they have saved the delta smelt too! From evil humans of course!
I was waiting for him to take the bait........

Yes most of the canals were built before the Shasta dam was built and built by private funds.....

Now they have water meters on their own canals and wells.....

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#36 Nov 26, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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And most of the canals come out of the Sac river and were in fact privately built..........LOL
spin spin spin.........
Why no back up for that statement?

Because you made it up out of thin air, that is why, you would have to make up a citation too.

A little engineering for you, building canals off of the Sac. before the Shasta dam was built was highly impractical, people tried but the river moved to much (up and down via flooding and side to side due to meandering). Hence the need for a dam.

The Dams themselves were built by the government along with the delivery systems (canals and pumphouses) I have already provided valid citation for that.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#37 Nov 26, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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Why no back up for that statement?
Because you made it up out of thin air, that is why, you would have to make up a citation too.
A little engineering for you, building canals off of the Sac. before the Shasta dam was built was highly impractical, people tried but the river moved to much (up and down via flooding and side to side due to meandering). Hence the need for a dam.
The Dams themselves were built by the government along with the delivery systems (canals and pumphouses) I have already provided valid citation for that.
That is what flood gates are used for..........LOL

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#38 Nov 26, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
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That is what flood gates are used for..........LOL
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Flood gates do not help much with the type of floods experienced on the Sac before the dams were built. And they do not help in the slightest with meandering, which was a serious issue before the dams and levees controlled the river to some extent.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#39 Nov 26, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
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Flood gates do not help much with the type of floods experienced on the Sac before the dams were built. And they do not help in the slightest with meandering, which was a serious issue before the dams and levees controlled the river to some extent.
Once again you show us how little you know about a subject but claim to be a expert......

If you had ever spent a moment on any farm that used river water you would know that the entrance of water to the farm is set for the lowest amount of water and then a gate is installed that will limit the amount of water that enters a farm by raising or lowering the flood gate.....

Could you please tell us again how there was no rice farming in Ca before the Shasta dam???

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#40 Nov 26, 2012
Before the dams the river used to move massive gravel bars every winter and meander far and wide. How does a floodgate that is under 10 feet of gravel or 100 yards from the main channel work?

Flood gates don't help much when the river floods move sandbars and cause the river to meander. Even with the river controlled to a great degree it is still a problem, without the dams and levees it was not cost effective or practical. Smaller systems existed, but rice farming and orchard crops were not feasible on the massive scale that we have now before the GOVERNMENT build system wide water storage and delivery systems.

Your article does not refute that.

and by the way,I didn't say there was no rice farming I said that there wasn't much, it was mostly winter wheat.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#41 Nov 26, 2012
Are your eyes open wrote:
Before the dams the river used to move massive gravel bars every winter and meander far and wide. How does a floodgate that is under 10 feet of gravel or 100 yards from the main channel work?
Flood gates don't help much when the river floods move sandbars and cause the river to meander. Even with the river controlled to a great degree it is still a problem, without the dams and levees it was not cost effective or practical. Smaller systems existed, but rice farming and orchard crops were not feasible on the massive scale that we have now before the GOVERNMENT build system wide water storage and delivery systems.
Your article does not refute that.
and by the way,I didn't say there was no rice farming I said that there wasn't much, it was mostly winter wheat.
First of all moron I already proved they were doing it long before the dam........

Second a bum like you would not understand what a shovel is used for.....

The article shows how many acres of rice were being farmed before the dam..........ROTFLMAO
But you claim it was impossible......

Dont you ever get tired of proving yourself a moron???

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