Minnesota House defeats $47M in bonds...

Minnesota House defeats $47M in bonds for flood projects

There are 30 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 20, 2011, titled Minnesota House defeats $47M in bonds for flood projects. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The Minnesota House defeated $47 million in state bonding for projects to control flooding in the Red River Valley and other parts of the state.

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Freedom Lover

Minneapolis, MN

#1 May 20, 2011
Well, just two bilion, 953 million to go.
Freedom Lover

Minneapolis, MN

#2 May 21, 2011
Better make sure your flood insurance is in order.
Don't expect the govment to bail you out either.

This is Minnesota, not some hick southern state where we can't handle some overflowing streams.
Evangilizer

Maple Grove, MN

#3 May 21, 2011
Freedom Lover wrote:
Better make sure your flood insurance is in order.
Don't expect the govment to bail you out either.
This is Minnesota, not some hick southern state where we can't handle some overflowing streams.
Capitalism has not been around that long and the extreme swing to the right we currently are witnessing is promoting self centered greed and morally bankrupt principles that will eventually result in a backlash from a very angry and hostile society of people who have no hope. It is just a matter of time before people are pushed to limits and rise up against the sociopaths who have destroyed the moral fabric of this country. People are naturally inclined to support and help their fellow neighbors. Pitting ourselves against one another and looking the other way when someone needs support should not be promoted if your intentions are for long term future. We are all in this together and until we start viewing everyone as our neighbors, we will have to live with the fact that casting aspersions is a sure way to promote war and that will eventually lead to devastating consequences for our nation.

Since: Mar 11

South Saint Paul, MN

#4 May 21, 2011
I guess these folks are on their own, or must move? We need the billion dollars to build a new place for the billionaires to play foot balls.

We have priorities you know....
Ditto

La Crosse, WI

#5 May 21, 2011
Tired of it all_ wrote:
I guess these folks are on their own, or must move? We need the billion dollars to build a new place for the billionaires to play foot balls.
We have priorities you know....
you took the words right out of my mouth.
stadiums uber alles...
Economic Collapse

United States

#6 May 21, 2011
Those of you commenting need to read the article as it stated:

"Most of the chamber's Democrats voted against the bill along with a handful of Republicans."
Economic Collapse

United States

#7 May 21, 2011
Also, note that the people of Moorhead get together and place sand bags. They know more about being neighbors, working together to save their community than apparently some of the posters who don't understand community or capitalism. Their senator is a Republican and wanted this bill to pass. Again...

"Most of the chamber's Democrats voted against the bill along with a handful of Republicans."

And, by the way, flood insurance is about a $400 cost to the homeowner. Again, a government supported item that is provided to ease the problem. Great neighborly capitalism at work. A great system if you understand it.
Dave from lakeland

United States

#8 May 21, 2011
Evangilizer wrote:
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Capitalism has not been around that long and the extreme swing to the right we currently are witnessing is promoting self centered greed and morally bankrupt principles that will eventually result in a backlash from a very angry and hostile society of people who have no hope. It is just a matter of time before people are pushed to limits and rise up against the sociopaths who have destroyed the moral fabric of this country. People are naturally inclined to support and help their fellow neighbors. Pitting ourselves against one another and looking the other way when someone needs support should not be promoted if your intentions are for long term future. We are all in this together and until we start viewing everyone as our neighbors, we will have to live with the fact that casting aspersions is a sure way to promote war and that will eventually lead to devastating consequences for our nation.
What is this person talking about. It was your liberal DFL that defeated the bill
DizzyOne

Buford, GA

#9 May 21, 2011
Freedom Lover wrote:
Better make sure your flood insurance is in order.
Don't expect the govment to bail you out either.
This is Minnesota, not some hick southern state where we can't handle some overflowing streams.
Overflowing streams, like the Mississippi in St. Paul we can handle. You need to come and show us how to handle the river south of Cairo Illinois where unlike the 75 yard wide creek in your state, it's normally a half mile or more across. A real river!!
Next

Hopkins, MN

#10 May 21, 2011
People, take care of yourselves. If you want to live in a commune, move to a communist country

Since: Jul 08

Saint Paul, MN

#11 May 21, 2011
DizzyOne wrote:
<quoted text>Overflowing streams, like the Mississippi in St. Paul we can handle. You need to come and show us how to handle the river south of Cairo Illinois where unlike the 75 yard wide creek in your state, it's normally a half mile or more across. A real river!!
wow a whole half mile, the missisippi in minnesota is more than 3 miles across in some areas.
Freedom Lover

Minneapolis, MN

#12 May 21, 2011
Freedom Lover wrote:
Better make sure your flood insurance is in order.
Don't expect the govment to bail you out either.
This is Minnesota, not some hick southern state where we can't handle some overflowing streams.
Faux Freedom Lover! Probably a Macelester student. If so the prognosis isn't good. They never seem to learn to open their eyes.
Tark

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#13 May 21, 2011
Still wondering how these radical right wing nutjobs got elected in the 1st place....
Joe Merlot

Cottage Grove, MN

#14 May 21, 2011
Evangilizer wrote:
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Capitalism has not been around that long and the extreme swing to the right we currently are witnessing is promoting self centered greed and morally bankrupt principles that will eventually result in a backlash from a very angry and hostile society of people who have no hope. It is just a matter of time before people are pushed to limits and rise up against the sociopaths who have destroyed the moral fabric of this country. People are naturally inclined to support and help their fellow neighbors. Pitting ourselves against one another and looking the other way when someone needs support should not be promoted if your intentions are for long term future. We are all in this together and until we start viewing everyone as our neighbors, we will have to live with the fact that casting aspersions is a sure way to promote war and that will eventually lead to devastating consequences for our nation.
What you suggest is something that we can and SHOULD do all on our own without the force of government behind it.

When my neighbor down the street was diagnosed with Breast Cancer, our neighborhood held a benefit and raised $14k for the family. In addition, we created a meal and sitting schedule and took turns bringing them meals and watching their kids. We didn't need a law to tell us to do it either.

Passing a law that say's essentially "You will help who I tell you to help" is not neighborly at all, it's outrageous.
Wondering

Milltown, WI

#15 May 21, 2011
Economic Collapse wrote:
Those of you commenting need to read the article as it stated:
"Most of the chamber's Democrats voted against the bill along with a handful of Republicans."
and the paragraph before the line you selectively quoted:

"Several House Democrats complained that majority Republicans were unwilling to approve more bonding for other construction projects. Gov. Mark Dayton had proposed $1 billion in bonding projects he touted as a job creation bill, but Republicans showed little interest."

The Republicans only wanted money to go to people who voted for them.
Wondering

Milltown, WI

#16 May 21, 2011
Live/build in a flood plain, expect to get flooded. Eventually the River wins. It's called hubris.

JTY

Since: Sep 08

United States

#17 May 21, 2011
Wondering wrote:
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and the paragraph before the line you selectively quoted:
"Several House Democrats complained that majority Republicans were unwilling to approve more bonding for other construction projects. Gov. Mark Dayton had proposed $1 billion in bonding projects he touted as a job creation bill, but Republicans showed little interest."
The Republicans only wanted money to go to people who voted for them.
Most people voted for them, and we did to keep this Shit in check.
Lewis Gates

Saint Paul, MN

#18 May 21, 2011
Economic Collapse wrote:
Also, note that the people of Moorhead get together and place sand bags. They know more about being neighbors, working together to save their community than apparently some of the posters who don't understand community or capitalism. Their senator is a Republican and wanted this bill to pass. Again...
"Most of the chamber's Democrats voted against the bill along with a handful of Republicans."
And, by the way, flood insurance is about a $400 cost to the homeowner. Again, a government supported item that is provided to ease the problem. Great neighborly capitalism at work. A great system if you understand it.
$400 for flood insurance? That's fantastic! Since flood insurance is so cheap, less than $35 dollars a month, less than 2 cases of beer, why would anybody NOT buy flood insurance if they live anywhere near the Red River?

JTY

Since: Sep 08

United States

#19 May 21, 2011
Lewis Gates wrote:
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$400 for flood insurance? That's fantastic! Since flood insurance is so cheap, less than $35 dollars a month, less than 2 cases of beer, why would anybody NOT buy flood insurance if they live anywhere near the Red River?
Cuz that's two cases of beer a month!
Economic Collapse

United States

#20 May 21, 2011
I did not selectively chose the line I quoted.$1 billion is a little different than $47 million. It's odd to me that connecting the two makes really any sense. The reason a bonding bill has to be "touted" as a jobs bill is because the sustainability of the touted jobs is in doubt. China is building a lot of empty cities with the very same logic that makes me ponder how we can help wondering others improve their economic knowledge. Government borrowing $1 billion won't provide long term job growth. Making a lower taxed, competitive environment with reasonalble regulations would help. Then you wouldn't possibly have long time Minnesota iconic business store owners creating trusts in South Dakota.

It's pretty clear the Republicans don't want to be wreckless with $1 billion.

If you know about the Red River, you know that it is surrounded by something that was once Lake Agassiz. Flood waters could literally flow at least 20 miles to the east of Moorhead under the the most trying conditions. So, there's a little more to it than building on a flood plain.

One thing about Moorhead is that there are some of the nicest people in the world up there. I never wonder if people in other places are as nice, because I know they are not.

And, when flooding comes, instead of sitting there wondering if the government will pluck their butts from the water, people in Moorhead go out and make sand bags to save themselves. They don't rely on government. And, they don't rely on Democrats to provide them some final assistance to keep them from sandbagging as much. If they have to, they will be out there again next year preserving their lives and their city. And, also preventing flooding to the east of their city. Good people. Democrats made a poor vote so they could pursue their crazed spending agenda. Just dumb.

And, while flood insurance is cheap, it doesn't pay for the the infrastructure to stop or contain the flooding. The insurance is government backed. Another reason to fix the flooding problem.

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