Man enters plea in connection with de...

Man enters plea in connection with death of SUNY Geneseo student

There are 22 comments on the WHEC-TV Rochester, NY story from Sep 22, 2009, titled Man enters plea in connection with death of SUNY Geneseo student. In it, WHEC-TV Rochester, NY reports that:

A guilty plea from one of the three charged in connection with the drinking death of a SUNY Geneseo student.

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jjjj

Albion, NY

#1 Sep 22, 2009
this is what lowering the drinking age has done, created more binge drinking
joe

Rochester, NY

#2 Sep 22, 2009
lowering the drinking age? you mean this is what raising the drinking age has done...?
Leroy Jones

Rochester, NY

#3 Sep 22, 2009
Burbs.
Geneseo Sorority Member

Rochester, NY

#4 Sep 22, 2009
More deaths will be caused because of the cops being strict. You are not stopping student's drinking habits. Instead, you are forcing them farther and farther behind closed doors and making them too afraid to call for help when it's needed. Wake up, Geneseo officials.
Straight Shooter

Rochester, NY

#5 Sep 22, 2009
Leroy Jones wrote:
Burbs.
Wrong county and town Dooshbag
jjjj

Albion, NY

#6 Sep 23, 2009
Leroy Jones wrote:
Burbs.
oops, my bad
Oh My

Fort Wayne, IN

#7 Sep 23, 2009
and they say white people never commit murder...ha
don

Rochester, NY

#8 Sep 23, 2009
Geneseo Sorority Member wrote:
More deaths will be caused because of the cops being strict. You are not stopping student's drinking habits. Instead, you are forcing them farther and farther behind closed doors and making them too afraid to call for help when it's needed. Wake up, Geneseo officials.
The cops aren't causing anything. They aren't forcing the booze down people's throats. You college kids are only causing your own deaths by acting like morons. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You CHOOSE to act this way. You CHOOSE to not call the cops out of fear. If you absolutely have to drink even with all the rules in place, maybe you have a problem.
Geneseo Sorority Member

Rochester, NY

#9 Sep 23, 2009
don wrote:
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The cops aren't causing anything. They aren't forcing the booze down people's throats. You college kids are only causing your own deaths by acting like morons. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You CHOOSE to act this way. You CHOOSE to not call the cops out of fear. If you absolutely have to drink even with all the rules in place, maybe you have a problem.
You can't legislate morality. Remember prohibition? Trying to stop alcohol consumption has never worked, it's only created more problems.
don

Rochester, NY

#10 Sep 23, 2009
no, you can't legilsate morality but to blame the cops on the choices that people make is crazy. These idiot students choose to binge drink. If they can't man up to call help when needed, they are the ONLY people to blame. Nobody ever forced them to drink.
Geneseo Sorority Member

Rochester, NY

#11 Sep 23, 2009
My point is people are getting sent to the hospital and getting in trouble when they're in no real danger. Not all of the people getting sent have been binge drinking but are getting in the same amount of trouble as someone who has. Sending someone to the hospital with a .15 BAC and then giving them judiciary review is a ridiculous attempt to please the community, the student's best interests are not at heart. The policy is creating an environment where unqualified students are judging "how drunk is too drunk". Students should never be afraid to call for help, and like it or not that's exactly what the college policy is doing.

And as for your immature name-calling.. have you never been drunk? have you never been a student? In that case I wouldn't expect you to understand, and your opinion is of no value as you truly fail to grasp the scope of the situation.

Not every student who drinks binges. Sorry to disrupt the stereotype, but a few rogue individuals at Geneseo unfairly gave every Greek organization a bad name. The student in question WAS forced to drink (by an UNRECOGNIZED group). Personally, my pledging was completely dry and I would have been in serious trouble had I so much as had a sip.

Please, please, please learn the situation before you characterize people as "idiot students". 99% of parties at Geneseo do not endanger anyone, but in the rare case that someone is truly in danger, there should be no question of calling for help- but due to new college policy there is. I ask you how fair is it that someone be in trouble for calling an ambulance and saving someone's life?
CowboyDK92

Lodi, NJ

#12 Sep 23, 2009
That's why the drinking age should be 18, so people in college can drink responsibly rather than trying to hide it. Alcoholism is non-existant in Europe where they embrace drinking. DK will live on whether Geneseo likes it or not...DKTATFW.
25 in Gtown

United States

#13 Sep 23, 2009
Geneseo Sorority Member-
You make the point that not everyone who drinks binges, and you're correct. But you also say that being transported by ambulance with a .15 BAC isn't necessary. Assuming the person is female, to reach that BAC, they have consumed 7+ drinks (.02 each drink). It takes even more alcohol for men to reach that BAC. Drinking 7+ drinks at a time is the very definition of binge drinking.
Also, if you care to keep track of who gets transported, they are almost always under 21. I started drinking when I was 15/16. That doesn't mean I was getting drunk and needing the ambulance called. It means I could have 2 or 3 drinks while socializing with friends. It meant that at 3-5 years younger than these idiots, I had more common sense and self control. I do believe the drinking age should be lowered, but not to make life easier for people who act like without regard for their own safety, but to relieve the burden on our law enforcement officers. Blaming the college, who is trying to protect itself and its students, and the police, who are trying to protect their residents, is ignorant and ill-informed. Do yourself a favor and print your posts, and reread them in 10 years. You'll be surprised at how much you mature by then.
Geneseo townie

Batavia, NY

#14 Sep 23, 2009
@CowboyDK92

Your information about Europe and alcoholism is badly flawed and inaccurate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7093143.st...

And your "DKTAFTW" attitude on a public webboard does nothing to help the reputation of DKT or the other Geneseo greeks. It's not the 90's (or 80's...or 70's) any more, and the garbage that was allowed and laughed at back then (e.g., "Parents of Geneseo girls - give us your daughters" banners) no longer flies. Grow up.
Stat man

Geneseo, NY

#15 Sep 23, 2009
don wrote:
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The cops aren't causing anything. They aren't forcing the booze down people's throats. You college kids are only causing your own deaths by acting like morons. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You CHOOSE to act this way. You CHOOSE to not call the cops out of fear. If you absolutely have to drink even with all the rules in place, maybe you have a problem.
While you may be right that the cops aren't forcing booze down the throat's of the kids at college it does prove a point. According to MADD in 2001 approxomately 44% of college students nation wide are binge drinkers, this means that out of the 11.7 million student that attend college (according to the national labor bereau) about 5.15 million kids are binge drinking. Of those kids only 1,700 die of drinking related causes.

That adds up to .15% of binge drinking kids that actually die due to drinking related causes.

Now i'm not saying that this is good because any number above 0 is not good but with odds of dying in an accident over the course of 2008 being 1 in 32 (according to the national safety council) its not as if kids in college are moron's or have a problem. If that is what it takes then maybe YOU HAVE A PROBLEM because you like to go out of your house on a daily basis.
Lets be serious

Batavia, NY

#16 Sep 24, 2009
Its sad that people think greeks are the cause for all these problems. Go to any college that is not run by greek life and college kids, freshman, can very easily access alcohol. The only harm I have ever seen about an organization is forced drinking (such as the unfortunate case with the pigs). Every other respectable and recognized organization does not have this pathetic mentality. It's about quality of the person and not the quality of a drinker.

Take West Virginia, the number 1 party school in the country. Every party I went to as a freshman had nothing to do with greek life and was the easiest to access alcohol.

I don't know if you are people that have dull lives and think its crazy to have more than 5 beers, but its time to wake up. Everyone is responsible for themselves unless certain actions are taken upon them otherwise.

As for people who are out of the loop, the occasion was not a pledge event but a normal party. So for the fact that these kids who are around 18 mind you, can't make a decision for themselves when knowingly they can walk away at any time, should be the ones considered to have the problem. its time for people to grow up. Its alright to have the ability to enter the army but not be able to decide whats best for themselves.
From Experience

Batavia, NY

#17 Sep 24, 2009
Geneseo townie wrote:
@CowboyDK92
Your information about Europe and alcoholism is badly flawed and inaccurate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7093143.st...
And your "DKTAFTW" attitude on a public webboard does nothing to help the reputation of DKT or the other Geneseo greeks. It's not the 90's (or 80's...or 70's) any more, and the garbage that was allowed and laughed at back then (e.g., "Parents of Geneseo girls - give us your daughters" banners) no longer flies. Grow up.
I have actually been to Europe (probably unlike you) through a youth exchange program in Germany. I lived with a family to see how their culture is. They take alcohol consumption very seriously especially when it comes to drinking and driving. When asked about it, they say they would never think of doing such a thing. Since they learn to begin drinking at 16, around their parents (instead away from them), they are more responsible and do not endanger their lives.

The U.S. is completely different. Drinking is not a privlege. This is the problem, so when we get the first opportunity we take advantage.

In addition, this is not coming from one family that I experienced, rather I traveled with numerous teenagers who got the same impression.
Geneseo townie

Batavia, NY

#18 Sep 24, 2009
@From Experience.

What you are citing is referred to as 'anecdotal evidence,' which is incredibly limited. Your personal conversations with a bunch of teens doesn't carry the same credibility as, well ACTUAL RESEARCH.

http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/publications/...

http://www.jointogether.org/news/research/sum...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11650...

Europe has a problem. And it's growing. What we should all learn, however, is that the way the U.S. is approaching the problem doesn't work.

The 21 drinking age does not cause binge drinking. Incredibly immature individuals do. Period.
Geneseo Student

Geneseo, NY

#19 Sep 24, 2009
Lets be serious wrote:
Its sad that people think greeks are the cause for all these problems. Go to any college that is not run by greek life and college kids, freshman, can very easily access alcohol. The only harm I have ever seen about an organization is forced drinking (such as the unfortunate case with the pigs). Every other respectable and recognized organization does not have this pathetic mentality. It's about quality of the person and not the quality of a drinker.
Take West Virginia, the number 1 party school in the country. Every party I went to as a freshman had nothing to do with greek life and was the easiest to access alcohol.
I don't know if you are people that have dull lives and think its crazy to have more than 5 beers, but its time to wake up. Everyone is responsible for themselves unless certain actions are taken upon them otherwise.
As for people who are out of the loop, the occasion was not a pledge event but a normal party. So for the fact that these kids who are around 18 mind you, can't make a decision for themselves when knowingly they can walk away at any time, should be the ones considered to have the problem. its time for people to grow up. Its alright to have the ability to enter the army but not be able to decide whats best for themselves.
The news quotes this as a pledging event, hazing, etc etc, well from what I've heard this was just a normal party and several kids were taken to the hospital after consuming too much alcohol. If this is the case, it is the childrens fault and not greek life. These same kids can just as easily party at a sports house, or off campus house party. By condemning drinking as heavily as they are they are only making it more lucrative and promoting binge drinking in the rooms before going in for "under" at the ib because there is no where else to go. there are far more important issues on campus then a few kids throwing up
Geneseo Sorority Member

Rochester, NY

#20 Sep 26, 2009
Thank you Geneseo Student for saying exactly what I was trying to. Another thing, News 10 Rochester is obviously not very good at getting whole stories... besides INCORRECTLY reporting that it was a pledge event, there's also another frat at Geneseo suspended for the very same thing - no mention of those ones though.

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