Dividing the flock: Issue of whether to allow gay pastors proves divisive at many Lutheran churches

Jan 7, 2011 Full story: The Gaston Gazette 784

Whether to stay with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has been a heart-wrenching decision for many local Lutheran churches, driven by a variety issues including its stance on allowing homosexuals to be church leaders.

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Belmont Redneck

Gastonia, NC

#799 Oct 2, 2012
I was listening to the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on the Pierce Morgan show a few nights ago. He agrees with y'all about gays. They are vile people & his holy book says so. He sounded more like a conservative Republican than a Muslim. Now does anyone else find that a little scary?
THE BAPTIST

Gastonia, NC

#800 Oct 2, 2012
There are a lot of different religions,that do agree with the president on the homosexual question.Are you trying to insinuate that the conservatives are in agreement with every thing ahmadinejad says?Israel is going to take iran out soon.Israel has to,for save a rogue regime like iran has,to develope nuclear weapons,which by the the way the president of iran,has said that they woud wipe israel off the face of the world,just as soon as they can.Do you not see and hear what iran says about israel?You fool!Irael will take out the nuclear weapons,for their own survival.rUSSIA AND CHINA WILL CONDEMN IT,BUT THATS ABOUT ALL THEY CAN DO.
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#801 Oct 3, 2012
Kozzy wrote:
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Really? LMAO!
Doesn't your little religion say something about not judging people?
Isn't your judging gays going to send you to hell? Why, yes...yes it is.
You should read your Bible a little more carefully...instead of picking and choosing what biblical verses you want to focus on.
I would love to meet you personally to see if you're following all the rules of the Bible...you know, not eating shellfish, not wearing mixed fabrics...etc.
Then, you know....you could try to save my soul while we have some lunch??:D
Let's make it a date! ;)
I'm not judging anyone here. This is my opinion, I live in America the home of the free (for now). You seem to be the one judging people. meet me to see if I'm following the rules? Now you think the bible is a fashion directory. please...
you can only save yourself. meet me at Mass for a real meal. The body and blood of Jesus.:)
Peace,

“Stop the liberal madness”

Since: Sep 10

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#802 Oct 3, 2012
Catholic Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not judging anyone here. This is my opinion, I live in America the home of the free (for now). You seem to be the one judging people. meet me to see if I'm following the rules? Now you think the bible is a fashion directory. please...
you can only save yourself. meet me at Mass for a real meal. The body and blood of Jesus.:)
Peace,
Amen.

"This is my opinion, I live in America the home of the free (for now"

Agree, the real fascists are the dems who want to silence free speech and wage political war on the Church.
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#803 Oct 3, 2012
Belmont Redneck wrote:
I was listening to the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on the Pierce Morgan show a few nights ago. He agrees with y'all about gays. They are vile people & his holy book says so. He sounded more like a conservative Republican than a Muslim. Now does anyone else find that a little scary?
Scary, yes but remember there is only 1 God. I think everyone here knows of the 1 God. Unfortunately I haven't read anything of the Muslim's bible or whatever it's called. I do have respect for these people. It's the extremist (in any religion or subject) that we should be weary of. do you not agree? didn't know the muslims felt same about gays/lesbo's. good going mussies.
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#804 Oct 3, 2012
AquariusNSF wrote:
Nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality condemned.
yes it does, check out the old testament. homosexuality is an abomination in God's eye. Isn't an abomination like condemned. You may get to purgetory with this blemish on your soul.

“Stop the liberal madness”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#805 Oct 3, 2012
Catholic Girl wrote:
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Scary, yes but remember there is only 1 God. I think everyone here knows of the 1 God. Unfortunately I haven't read anything of the Muslim's bible or whatever it's called. I do have respect for these people. It's the extremist (in any religion or subject) that we should be weary of. do you not agree? didn't know the muslims felt same about gays/lesbo's. good going mussies.
"didn't know the muslims felt same about gays/lesbo's. good going mussies"

Everyone has atleast one good quality, lol
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#806 Oct 3, 2012
McCain should have been our president today. Sarah was a good running mate. Pure, real person she is.

“Stop the liberal madness”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#807 Oct 3, 2012
Catholic Girl wrote:
McCain should have been our president today. Sarah was a good running mate. Pure, real person she is.
Yes, Sarah is great but the bias media ate her up . She is pure of heart and a great self made patriot who is not afraid to speak of Jesus.

I have not seen you here before, welcome to the forum.

Elizabeth
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#808 Oct 3, 2012
I've been around the catholic forums a bit. Lot of mean people there, mostly non catholics. not that this matters. so I thought I'd see how the other religion forums are, not much difference from what I can tell. did meet a nice lady in the catholic forum, we exchanged email address.
thanks for the warm welcome Elizabeth.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#809 Oct 3, 2012
Catholic Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not judging anyone here. This is my opinion, I live in America the home of the free (for now). You seem to be the one judging people. meet me to see if I'm following the rules? Now you think the bible is a fashion directory. please...
you can only save yourself. meet me at Mass for a real meal. The body and blood of Jesus.:)
Peace,
That sounds pornographic.
And yes, if you have this opinion about gays, then you're a bigot...Christ wouldn't approve.
How about minding your own business and tending to the plank in your eye? Heterosexual.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#810 Oct 3, 2012
Catholic Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
yes it does, check out the old testament. homosexuality is an abomination in God's eye. Isn't an abomination like condemned. You may get to purgetory with this blemish on your soul.
I want to know if you live your life to the letter of the old testament?
If not....repent, or you will burn in hell with all the "gays/lesbos"
You are disrespectful as hell to refer to these people as if they are lower than you...I hope you burn to a crisp.
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#811 Oct 4, 2012
Kozzy wrote:
<quoted text>
I want to know if you live your life to the letter of the old testament?
If not....repent, or you will burn in hell with all the "gays/lesbos"
You are disrespectful as hell to refer to these people as if they are lower than you...I hope you burn to a crisp.
Perhaps you should look in the mirror before making such statements. You are a nut and a bully. go back to your own kind. You don't scare me.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#812 Oct 6, 2012
Catholic Girl wrote:
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Perhaps you should look in the mirror before making such statements. You are a nut and a bully. go back to your own kind. You don't scare me.
Not trying to scare you at all...you're just a judgemental religious nutjob who has nothing better to do than to talk down to gays.
It seems like you're proud that you're a nutjob...so keep on keeping on bigot.
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#813 Oct 12, 2012
Kozzy wrote:
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Not trying to scare you at all...you're just a judgemental religious nutjob who has nothing better to do than to talk down to gays.
It seems like you're proud that you're a nutjob...so keep on keeping on bigot.
I'm proud of my religious beliefs. Why are you here on this site you infidel. Go cry to your boyfriend, he's looking for a stick job.
CHARLIE

Gastonia, NC

#814 Oct 12, 2012
The catholic girl is not judging you at all.She is merely pointing out the error of homosexuality.It is an abomination to god.Nature itself glaringly tells you that is not natural.But you accuse her of having a beam in her own eye,to justify your homosexual activity.I do not care how many dicks you suck or pussy you have eaten,i have ate a lot of pussy myself.But i am a man.That is a form of foreplay for heterosexual couples.Never sucke dick,because my lust is towards women.Which by the way queer boys,women are the most beautiful creatures god has made.He made the that way,so that we real men will want to hold and stroke them and make mad passionate love to them.Now that is natural,gods way if you will.NOW YOU LESBIANS AND QUEER BOYS ARE ON THE WRONG TRACK.You cannot have just one lover,because your lust is burned towards a woman if you are a lesbian,or a man if you are a queer boy.Knock you selves out doing things that are a abomination to gods law.I will not have to pay for any sin that you all commit,only my own. YOU QUEERS HAVE A NICE DAY.and i will have a nice day making love to my girlfriend,which by the way is a very hot number to me.
cherish the bible

Greenville, SC

#815 Oct 15, 2012
I think everyone needs to stand up and say enough is enough. In the bible it clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. So everyone needs to stand up and take notice before our rights as a christian are taken away from us a little more. They already took the bible from school-what's next? Wake up people and stand up for what you believe in. I hold nothing against anyone-I will talk to anyone I am not racist or prejudice. I just stand by what the bible states is right. It's your choice whether you do wrong but it's everyone's choice if you choose to do something for the public such as minister.

Since: Apr 10

Williston, ND

#816 Oct 15, 2012
cherish the bible wrote:
I think everyone needs to stand up and say enough is enough. In the bible it clearly states that homosexuality is a sin. So everyone needs to stand up and take notice before our rights as a christian are taken away from us a little more. They already took the bible from school-what's next? Wake up people and stand up for what you believe in. I hold nothing against anyone-I will talk to anyone I am not racist or prejudice. I just stand by what the bible states is right. It's your choice whether you do wrong but it's everyone's choice if you choose to do something for the public such as minister.
The problem is this country IS NOT nor can it ever be a christian nation, we CANNOT have laws from religions, by law "congress SHALL NOT establish a religion, not prohibit the free exersize thereof"
in short that means we CANNOT have laws based in one religion, you think the bible says homosexuality is wrong (in fact it does not, as the translation means something diffrent that what it is thought to say by SOME people) my religion says homosexuality is fine, so why is your religion more important than mine, for that mater howcome your version of christinaity is more important than others (starting to see why we cant have religious laws here) if you want to see what you are proposing go to saudi arabia, go with a bible and you will see more clearly (having a bible there is a offence for which you will be put in prison) You can beleave what ever you want, you cannot however make laws based on them or discrimnate based on them. Christians were touting religion when fighting agianst womens right to vote, and when fighting agianst interracial marriage, and when discrimnating agaianst left handed people.
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#817 Oct 15, 2012
JessicaDawn wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem is this country IS NOT nor can it ever be a christian nation, we CANNOT have laws from religions, by law "congress SHALL NOT establish a religion, not prohibit the free exersize thereof"
in short that means we CANNOT have laws based in one religion, you think the bible says homosexuality is wrong (in fact it does not, as the translation means something diffrent that what it is thought to say by SOME people) my religion says homosexuality is fine, so why is your religion more important than mine, for that mater howcome your version of christinaity is more important than others (starting to see why we cant have religious laws here) if you want to see what you are proposing go to saudi arabia, go with a bible and you will see more clearly (having a bible there is a offence for which you will be put in prison) You can beleave what ever you want, you cannot however make laws based on them or discrimnate based on them. Christians were touting religion when fighting agianst womens right to vote, and when fighting agianst interracial marriage, and when discrimnating agaianst left handed people.
Sorry to tell you this Jesse, it is sinful. direct from the old testament, book of Leviticus:

Leviticus 18: 22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination.

What do you have to say about the truth now?
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#818 Oct 15, 2012
Jesse your quote of "The problem is this country IS NOT nor can it ever be a christian nation, we CANNOT have laws from religions, by law "congress SHALL NOT establish a religion, not prohibit the free exersize thereof"
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your wording is incorrect here. You can not pick and choose what you like out of comments or statements.
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direct from Wikipedia about religious freedom.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
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also direct from declaration of independence:
Freedom of religion is also closely associated with separation of church and state, a concept advocated by Thomas Jefferson.[1]
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I think you should reread our Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence and how about that Constitution. Before running off again with incorrection material.

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