“physics is your friend”

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#36013 Feb 15, 2013
Bacon, are they hiring? I'm willing to relocate...
Allen

Penrose, NC

#36014 Feb 15, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
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Pro, let me give you an example of the mentality of the masses. My daughter's fiance works for a company and the owner works several hundred people. He gives them two weeks a year paid vacation, Christmas, and around the July 4th, in addition, gives them a bonus both weeks. At Christmas he puts on the dog for them. Puts them up in a nice hotel for one night for the Christmas party, provides designated drivers to and from the location of the party and all he asks is they wear something more than a Nascar tee-shirt and blue jeans. They bitch and moan about this. In October, the owner secured a large contract for the company and told the employees they could have all the overtime they wanted. Again, they bitched about working overtime. It's not like he's paying them $8.00 an hour and the thanks he gets for trying to be a good and fair employer is moaning and grouching by these people. I'd give them all a pink slip because I'm certain there's plenty of people out there that would jump at the opportunity to have an employer this good. Even though my daughter's fiance is not a regular line worker but in admin, he had to come in an lend a hand because of those that wouldn't. People don't understand when you're a salaried worker, you don't get overtime, but he was looking down the road for job security. There's just people out there that will never be happy with what's given to them and have no clue to what it's like to run a business. This is a society we're raising now, the society of I'll take and take and take, but don't expect me to work for it.
As usual there are two sides to every story. This is the side told to you second hand by your sweet little future son-in-law. Little white collar, brown nosing Joe who has probably never had his hands dirty a day in his life. In reality he is the one complaining because he has had to come out of his comfort zone and do some honest work for a change. Key words here "all the over time they wanted" which means not required. When not enough signed up for over time to cover the work little saleried Joe had to put down the coffee cup or risk a pink slip for himself. Other key words, "he HAD to come in". He was not given a choice right?

Since: Dec 11

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#36015 Feb 15, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>So what if they bitch? You act as if the worker must never voice his grievances. Of course you would fire them, as you have no empathy for them and their families.
There is a reason for the overtime laws. It is because heartless owners would work people eighteen hour days chained(litterally)to machines without regular breaks.
It is due to the evil people with your mentality that we have these laws. Don't like it? To damned bad. Go live in some third world country then. In this civilized society, we will have laws to make for civility, seeing as how your kind cannot just be civil.
So Mr. Empathetic, have you ever worked with single mothers or people trying to take care of other family members? I've worked with plenty of single mothers and fathers that jumped on overtime. They didn't have to, but you know what, they were selfless. They put their needs and even some little wants for their children, other family members or sick family members sick living with them and themselves in front of working maybe 10-15 extra hours a week because they had pride. Can you wrap your head that some people want to make it on their own and don't want you, me or the government to foot the bill for them? I admired these women and men because they were selfless, had pride and weren't afraid of a little hard work as you seem to be. You could learn a lesson from working a real job.

Since: Dec 11

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#36016 Feb 15, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
Bacon, are they hiring? I'm willing to relocate...
I can find out. They work three shifts and have plenty of work, that is, if overtime hours don't offend you..LOL.

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

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#36017 Feb 15, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>Are you still claiming the ranch was owned by the family?
It was bought in 99. Prove me wrong if you can.
You can go research it for yourself. Lu posted some info on it.

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

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#36018 Feb 15, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>So you have no rebuttal?Mike Du wrote:

<quoted text>Since the companies lack all empathy or concern for the employee, we need a government that has empathy and concern for the employees in America to protect them.
BTW, not all money earned grows a company, all money earned by the lower employees will go straight into the economy to make it grow.
A strong economy can help make all companies grow, not just the ones with no empathy or concern for the employee.
That was my rebuttal meat gazer

Since: Dec 11

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#36019 Feb 15, 2013
Allen wrote:
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As usual there are two sides to every story. This is the side told to you second hand by your sweet little future son-in-law. Little white collar, brown nosing Joe who has probably never had his hands dirty a day in his life. In reality he is the one complaining because he has had to come out of his comfort zone and do some honest work for a change. Key words here "all the over time they wanted" which means not required. When not enough signed up for over time to cover the work little saleried Joe had to put down the coffee cup or risk a pink slip for himself. Other key words, "he HAD to come in". He was not given a choice right?
Wrong Allen. That kid has worked since he was 15 and was the child of a single mother, didn't have a choice. He put himself through school working two jobs, so I think he knows about hard work. He deserves to be salaried. He worked the line just as everyone else to learn the company from the ground up and he worked overtime to get him the extras he did without going to school and coming up, so sue him for trying to better himself. Yes, "he HAD to come in" because he cared about his job and the reputation of the company he has worked hard for. So, sue him for busting his hump when some couldn't come in because they had to go hunting, fishing, or work on their car they didn't have money to take to a garage, but wouldn't work to overtime in order to have the money to have their car fixed properly. BTW, the hunters and fishing guys were the ones bitching about not have enough money to pay bills, but somehow found money for these activities. Heck no, I don't feel sorry for them, they had a chance to make money for extras. I guess you're like Mike, to heck with job security and looking down the road for rough patches, live for the moment, don't save any and let the government keep me up. Geez.

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

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#36020 Feb 15, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>I see you're still as stupid as ever. These people are paid a decent, fair salaries, nice benefit package, have a good employer and most have families. You would think people would want extra money to catch up bills, maybe buy some things for themselves they've done without due to the pissy economy we've enjoyed the last four years and you're on here bitching about overtime. I don't think working 8 hours on a Saturday and maybe 2 hours extra a couple nights a week is going to kill anyone. Mike, you're so out of touch with the workforce it's unreal. People bitch if they don't make enough money and they bitch if you offer them a chance to make extra. WTH is wrong with you, other than the fact by your post you're a lazy butt. Let me guess, we should give them some government entitlements due to the fact they want something for nothing instead of working for it. Have you ever worked a real job, like for a real company?
Not stupid bacon, he's really quite emotional. Probably a heavy flow day for him.

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

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#36021 Feb 15, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>So Mr. Empathetic, have you ever worked with single mothers or people trying to take care of other family members? I've worked with plenty of single mothers and fathers that jumped on overtime. They didn't have to, but you know what, they were selfless. They put their needs and even some little wants for their children, other family members or sick family members sick living with them and themselves in front of working maybe 10-15 extra hours a week because they had pride. Can you wrap your head that some people want to make it on their own and don't want you, me or the government to foot the bill for them? I admired these women and men because they were selfless, had pride and weren't afraid of a little hard work as you seem to be. You could learn a lesson from working a real job.
Here here babe.$10 bucks says excuse # 527 is coming along right about....

Now

Since: Dec 11

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#36022 Feb 15, 2013
Silvercoastcorks wrote:
<quoted text>
Not stupid bacon, he's really quite emotional. Probably a heavy flow day for him.
Here, here. Looks like he's not the only one with a heavy flow day!!
TSF

Kenly, NC

#36023 Feb 15, 2013
Let me give another example. A well known company that has several thousand employees pays their employees health at 100%, dental at 100% and many production workers make as much as $75,000 per year. Workers follow instructions willingly and work overtime when asked/told because they want to keep their jobs. The management model is to include the workers in the corporate "family" rather than the traditional American management style of us whip masters against those lowly workers attitude. These factory owners know that loyalty goes two ways and their workers will do anything within their power to remain within the company family. You will never hear these corporate owners or management criticizing their worker family.
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
Pro, let me give you an example of the mentality of the masses. My daughter's fiance works for a company and the owner works several hundred people. He gives them two weeks a year paid vacation, Christmas, and around the July 4th, in addition, gives them a bonus both weeks. At Christmas he puts on the dog for them. Puts them up in a nice hotel for one night for the Christmas party, provides designated drivers to and from the location of the party and all he asks is they wear something more than a Nascar tee-shirt and blue jeans. They bitch and moan about this. In October, the owner secured a large contract for the company and told the employees they could have all the overtime they wanted. Again, they bitched about working overtime. It's not like he's paying them $8.00 an hour and the thanks he gets for trying to be a good and fair employer is moaning and grouching by these people. I'd give them all a pink slip because I'm certain there's plenty of people out there that would jump at the opportunity to have an employer this good. Even though my daughter's fiance is not a regular line worker but in admin, he had to come in an lend a hand because of those that wouldn't. People don't understand when you're a salaried worker, you don't get overtime, but he was looking down the road for job security. There's just people out there that will never be happy with what's given to them and have no clue to what it's like to run a business. This is a society we're raising now, the society of I'll take and take and take, but don't expect me to work for it.

Since: Sep 12

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#36024 Feb 15, 2013
Glad to "see " ya Bacon. Been there and done that, what a mess.

Since: Dec 11

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#36025 Feb 15, 2013
TSF wrote:
Let me give another example. A well known company that has several thousand employees pays their employees health at 100%, dental at 100% and many production workers make as much as $75,000 per year. Workers follow instructions willingly and work overtime when asked/told because they want to keep their jobs. The management model is to include the workers in the corporate "family" rather than the traditional American management style of us whip masters against those lowly workers attitude. These factory owners know that loyalty goes two ways and their workers will do anything within their power to remain within the company family. You will never hear these corporate owners or management criticizing their worker family.
<quoted text>
TSF, good example. The owner of the company I'm referring to is good to his employees. He gives good raises and pays a good hourly salary and it's like it's not enough. They have a benefits package to die for and I just can't understand what is enough for people, especially in our present economy. My mom and dad always told me a "job is not a right, it's a privilege" and I believe that's a good motto.

Since: Dec 11

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#36026 Feb 15, 2013
emlu wrote:
Glad to "see " ya Bacon. Been there and done that, what a mess.
Hey Lu, missed you guys. I'm glad to be back home.
Allen

Penrose, NC

#36027 Feb 15, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong Allen. That kid has worked since he was 15 and was the child of a single mother, didn't have a choice. He put himself through school working two jobs, so I think he knows about hard work. He deserves to be salaried. He worked the line just as everyone else to learn the company from the ground up and he worked overtime to get him the extras he did without going to school and coming up, so sue him for trying to better himself. Yes, "he HAD to come in" because he cared about his job and the reputation of the company he has worked hard for. So, sue him for busting his hump when some couldn't come in because they had to go hunting, fishing, or work on their car they didn't have money to take to a garage, but wouldn't work to overtime in order to have the money to have their car fixed properly. BTW, the hunters and fishing guys were the ones bitching about not have enough money to pay bills, but somehow found money for these activities. Heck no, I don't feel sorry for them, they had a chance to make money for extras. I guess you're like Mike, to heck with job security and looking down the road for rough patches, live for the moment, don't save any and let the government keep me up. Geez.
One should work to live, but not live to work!

“Arch Nemisis of Democrats”

Since: Jun 12

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#36028 Feb 15, 2013
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>One should work to live, but not live to work!
That is a choice made by all

“physics is your friend”

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#36029 Feb 15, 2013
Makin bacon wrote:
<quoted text>
I can find out. They work three shifts and have plenty of work, that is, if overtime hours don't offend you..LOL.
Money does not offend me!!

Since: Dec 11

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#36030 Feb 15, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>Well seeing as how your team fights having unions, I guess the government is the only way we can have a powerful organization help the little man.
Helping someone does not mean they have no personal responsibility. Your black and white view of reality is insane.
Economists usually agree the poor will spend faster than the rich.
If money earned by a business in America, and the money goes to stock holders who are not Americans and do not spend money in America, does it help our economy?
I think if a tiny bit more of the money went to the workers here in America, the money would certainly go right into our economy, thus increasing our economy.
Govt, unions, what's the difference? They both hurt buisnesses! Why does the little man need representation? Because he lacks self responsibility!
Of course the poor spends faster than the rich, that's why they're poor!
Yes, it does help our economy because those foreign investors usually reinvest that money back into the original company to make more money or they invest in a different American company.
Again, a min wage increase in a good economy isn't a bad thing but in a bad economy it cuts jobs. An average of 6000 new jobs per state, per year, for the last four years, isn't considered a good economy by any economist.

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#36031 Feb 15, 2013
"Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel greeted the president Friday afternoon when Air Force One landed at O'Hare International Airport. Obama was accompanied by a large portion of the Illinois congressional delegation. He took Marine One to the city's South Side" where he met Bad Bad Leroy Brown:)

Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/2013/02/15/2497286/preside...

Since: Dec 11

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#36032 Feb 15, 2013
Mike Du wrote:
<quoted text>And some just borrow twenty grand from their parents.
No one is claiming the owners should not make a lot of money, but to do it by keeping others in poverty is just immoral and not really so great for the overall economy.
You act as if these workers do not deserve a living wage. I see no reason anyone who works hard for forty hours a week should not have enough to live. This is not an impossible thing to have in a society. We are a rich nation. We can do better. But if you have no empathy, I can understand why you are not willing to try.
If we played by your rules, America would be just another third world country.
And I bet their parents interest rates are a lot lower than what the bank would charge, smart business decision on their part!
Owners don't keep anyone in poverty, it's the lack of self responsibility that leads to poor decisions that keep people in poverty!
Living wage? I thought we were debating the minimum wage? You do know there's a difference, right?
We're not a third world country for a number of reasons. For one, we have a capitalist system where the free markets decide ones earnings. You act as if employers just roll the dice to determine ones wages! Two, the poor in this country live like kings as opposed to the poor in third world countries!.....free money, free food, free housing, free transportauon, etc....!
Yes, we are a rich nation, rich enough to take of the poor to a point to where most live off of the ones who do earn a living. The poor also has the Commucrats empathy, empathy they use to exploit the poor's situations in order to obtain their votes!

“A democracy is always temporary in nature;
it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover
that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates
who promise the most benefits from the public treasury,
with the result that every democracy will finally collapse
due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship”

- Alexander Tytler 1787

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