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Pops

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#16130 Dec 20, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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I didn't think you were capable of doing it, Pops. I will do it for you. Fred was blaming Australia's lack of similar mass assaults with firearms on what he called Australia's homogeneous society. When others pointed out to him that he was wrong, he changed his definition to say that it was because Australia didn't have the same number of "poor, uneducated,third worlders" as the US has. Based on that, I suggested to him he check to see how many "poor, uneducated, third worlders" had recently shot up a mall or a school. You then, until that time not a part of the dialogue, come with this,
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which is totally non-responsive to the discussion about the comparison of mass violence with guns between Australia and the US. If you think that your post somehow does further that conversation, I welcome your explanation. Frankly, I think you wrote it in your neverending quest to somehow get the better of me and didn't understand a word of the ongoing conversation.
So there is your explanation. Now call me a bunch of names and do exactly what you accuse me of doing. Classic wingnut.
You have proven once again that you don't understand. Thanx for the endorsement. There would be no pride in getting the better of a non-comprehending putz.
1st You didn't recognize a response when printed because of comprehension issues. 2nd, I am not trying to compete so there is No 'better or worse' score keeping on my part. 3rd, I would be wasting my time trying to explain to someone that twists & changes the wording/meaning of what others have said so that there is no longer any relevance. 4th. I don't remember accusing anyone by name of calling others a 'bunch of names' as you put it. Especially 'colorful' names. However, IF I had, I'm sure it applied. Lastly, you can be entertaining at times.

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#16131 Dec 20, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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I read he shot the locks out. Who knows this early in the game? In any event, when you can show me some kind of evidence that smaller clips will stop school shootings or even interrupt the shooter, then I'll say fine. What I see now are baby steps towards more control over our guns while at the same time solving nothing, and ignoring more important issues in school shootings like armed security guards or personnel, police siren on the roof of the building, how to improve our communications and treatment of the mentally ill. Easy access for parents with troubled children or even adults.
The Colorado shooter had body armor--armor not legal to own in America. If he could get his hands on that, what makes you think larger clips would not be readily available to those who want them?
Hark!! I agree with all you said except the High Capacity Clips not stopping the shooter. The shooter in AZ shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was attempting to insert a new clip when he was tackled and restrained, probably saving some lives. No, it was not a school shooting, but same logic applies in school shootings. Arming school personnel is not the answer, but all the other options you mentioned are a start and would likely save some lives and cut down on number of casualties.
I agree that persons intent on obtaining High Capacity clips will still get them, but we can make it more difficult and raise the penalties. The Assault Weapons ban that was allowed to expire under Bush had a 'Grandfather Clause' which stated that if a Gun Owner was given an assault weapon by a relative, had been in the family for some time etc., owner could legally keep the weapon. This Caviat was abused of course, since no proof was required.
Do you know that 40% of guns are not required to be registered. Some of Lanzas' mothers guns were purchased in New Jersey and were legal there but not in Connecticut, which tells us we need National Registration and a more thorough Database for tracking.
We need Federal all state Registration.

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#16132 Dec 20, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Where did I say "free access"? I started taking him to the range at 12. He's 16 1/2 now and has access to two firearms for emergency home defense.
Access to two firearms is Free Access, is it not?
Pops

United States

#16133 Dec 20, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Really? When was the last time you grabbed your .9mm and drilled on the public square with your neighbors?
I have never grabbed a point9mm & drilled on the public square nor do I intend to. 1st, there is no such thing as a point 9mm that I know of. Next, I have a .45 ACP among other calibers & gauges but no 9. BUT I guess that you got the better of me on this one! lol

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#16134 Dec 20, 2012
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#16135 Dec 20, 2012
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Hugh Victor Thompson III

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Hilliard, OH

#16136 Dec 20, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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Access to two firearms is Free Access, is it not?
I was referring to when he was 12 years old.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#16137 Dec 20, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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Hark!! I agree with all you said except the High Capacity Clips not stopping the shooter. The shooter in AZ shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was attempting to insert a new clip when he was tackled and restrained, probably saving some lives. No, it was not a school shooting, but same logic applies in school shootings. Arming school personnel is not the answer, but all the other options you mentioned are a start and would likely save some lives and cut down on number of casualties.
I agree that persons intent on obtaining High Capacity clips will still get them, but we can make it more difficult and raise the penalties. The Assault Weapons ban that was allowed to expire under Bush had a 'Grandfather Clause' which stated that if a Gun Owner was given an assault weapon by a relative, had been in the family for some time etc., owner could legally keep the weapon. This Caviat was abused of course, since no proof was required.
Do you know that 40% of guns are not required to be registered. Some of Lanzas' mothers guns were purchased in New Jersey and were legal there but not in Connecticut, which tells us we need National Registration and a more thorough Database for tracking.
We need Federal all state Registration.
You'll never see federal registration in a million years. There's no registration requirement here in Ohio, either.
Do you know which state has probably the "loosest" gun laws in America? Vermont. How many incidents do you hear of there? You don't even need a permit to carry concealed there.

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#16139 Dec 20, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>You'll never see federal registration in a million years. There's no registration requirement here in Ohio, either.
Do you know which state has probably the "loosest" gun laws in America? Vermont. How many incidents do you hear of there? You don't even need a permit to carry concealed there.
Yes we should also consider education as a factor.

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xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16140 Dec 20, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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So?
So........ the point is that if a murderer can't get his hands on a firearm, he will use something else.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16141 Dec 20, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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That may be the funniest post ever. All of a sudden, XXX, the King of the Anecdote, accuses someone else of "liking isolated stories." Oh my!
I guess I made my point, even if you missed it. Remember yesterday when I wrote,
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I guess you missed my point: anybody can find true stories to support their stance.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16142 Dec 20, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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Pressurized cabin. Gunshots equal holes, weakening of the fuselage. Loss of Cabin Pressure. Not sure if Pilots are armed but Sky Marshalls are. They are really well trained.
LOL. I was just egging you on. For airplanes, they have special ammunition that won't penetrate through that cheap plastic and steel outsides of the plane. But yes, pilots are armed today as well as the Marshall's.

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#16143 Dec 20, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>You'll never see federal registration in a million years. There's no registration requirement here in Ohio, either.
Do you know which state has probably the "loosest" gun laws in America? Vermont. How many incidents do you hear of there? You don't even need a permit to carry concealed there.
I think we may see Fed. Regulation/Registration, this time. There is just something about that mental image of 30-40 pound little 6 year olds with missing teeth, smiling in school photos, while laying in a pile of blood and arms and legs shot full of holes and torn apart. Time to say no more. We have to make some changes this time. It can be done without trampling on our Right To Bear Arms.
Founders had no concept of Assault Weapons.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16144 Dec 20, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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I agree. 12 Year olds, whether Schizophrenic or not do not have the maturity and emotion control to handle free access to firearms.
I also will add that Males are not fully emotionally mature until much later than females. Males are more suceptible to peer pressure than females.
Gun training is like divorce. The person who goes through gun safety/training is not the same person who later in a fit of anger, grabs that weapon and kills someone, just as the person we divorce from is not the person we married or there would be no divorce.
Well, you give the car keys to your child at the age of 16. When you leave them home alone, do you lock up all your medications and alcohol? You know that martial arts classes teach deadly moves--moves your child learns by the age of 12 if he or she started early enough? I know, I went up to black belt. By the time I hit black belt, I knew five different ways to kill a person in three moves or less.

At some point you have to put faith in your child if you believe they are capable of handling it. You can't insulate your kid from the real world their entire childhood.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16145 Dec 20, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Bath, Michigan, 1927:
The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, and four other adults; at least 58 people were injured.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disa...
Thank you HV.

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#16146 Dec 20, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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So........ the point is that if a murderer can't get his hands on a firearm, he will use something else.
Takes a lot longer to take out 27 people with, say.....A pool Cue, or a knife w/out someone fighting back, than it does a BushMaster.
Gander Mountain had an Ad in todays paper for an Assault Rifle on sale.
Also Ohio man saying he was happy Shooter killed all thos little #%$^&* has been arrested.

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xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16147 Dec 20, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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Hark!! I agree with all you said except the High Capacity Clips not stopping the shooter. The shooter in AZ shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was attempting to insert a new clip when he was tackled and restrained, probably saving some lives. No, it was not a school shooting, but same logic applies in school shootings. Arming school personnel is not the answer, but all the other options you mentioned are a start and would likely save some lives and cut down on number of casualties.
Be honest with yourself. What method would better stop or reduce student deaths? A trained and armed faculty member or police officer, or smaller gun clips?

Let's talk apples to apples here. The Arizona shooter had people behind him--lots of people--adult people. That's not what you have when a idiot breaks into a classroom and starts shooting.

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#16148 Dec 20, 2012
Boehner has pulled his own Plan B Bill and it is not going up for vote. Speaker says he does not have enough support. Just as well. Bunch of cuts to the poor and elderly and continuation of Tax Cuts for everyone making up to $1 Million.
Fiscal Hill here we come.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#16149 Dec 20, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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I think we may see Fed. Regulation/Registration, this time. There is just something about that mental image of 30-40 pound little 6 year olds with missing teeth, smiling in school photos, while laying in a pile of blood and arms and legs shot full of holes and torn apart. Time to say no more. We have to make some changes this time. It can be done without trampling on our Right To Bear Arms.
Founders had no concept of Assault Weapons.
They had no concept of TV and radio, yet we didn't trash the First Amendment when that technology came along.
Don't bet your house on anything changing:

Three Reasons Gun Control Isn't Going to Happen
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/...

The key reason from the article:

2014 Mid-Term Elections

The Democrats have dodged two election threats to their majority in the Senate. They clung to their majority in 2010 and even managed to get back two seats last month. But, the GOP gets a third bite at the apple in 2014, when the Democrats will be defending 20 seats against the GOP's 13. In the 13th, Maine, the GOP would be strongly favored if Susan Collins opts, as expected, to run for reelection. The Democrats, by contrast face a dangerous array of states.

Among the states Democrats will be defending are Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Virginia, New Hampshire, Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico and South Dakota. All of these states have very strong blocks of pro-gun voters. In Michigan, the issue could come into play if Sen. Carl Levin decides to retire.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16150 Dec 20, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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Takes a lot longer to take out 27 people with, say.....A pool Cue, or a knife w/out someone fighting back, than it does a BushMaster.
And if some nut who cannot get his hands on a gun tries to emulate the 1927 murder of children with dynamite?

You are convincing yourself that if we got rid of so-called assault weapons and reduced clip size, that crazed murderers would use a pool cue instead? Seriously?

It doesn't work that way. Make all the assault weapons illegal, make it illegal to have a clip more than 12 rounds, and you still won't stop an animal like Lanzo. Make it slightly more inconvenient for him? Yes, you will accomplish that. But you're not going to stop him. You only have two choices to stop a person like that: one is to make all guns illegal punishable by death which would take a Constitutional amendment, or two, you can provide armed security of some type in these schools.

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