Town Refunds $100,000 in Speeding Ticket Money

Full story: WJW Fox 8 Cleveland

More than 900 drivers who received tickets from speed cameras in Garfield Heights are getting their money back.
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mapleman

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I didn't say that government doesn't use snitches. What I said is that nobody has ever been tried, convicted, and imprisoned using federal government surveillance technology.
As far as rights go, what right have I given up???
The point I am making is government is blowing smoke up our a55es. The patriot act wasn't even needed. Law enforcement had enough tactics they can use to get information leading up to them obtaining evidence that can be used in court.

We talk about how people are naive all the time, this is just another instance.
xxxrayted

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Sep 28, 2010
 
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You are so out of touch if you think monitoring is NOT done...Seriously. They do not have to go into your home.
Yes, that's the point I was making. What you say over airwaves is in everybody's home, in every business, in every police station and government agency. It's just the simple matter of using a device to decode those messages. Nobody is going to your house to listen to what you are talking about.
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The point I am making is government is blowing smoke up our a55es. The patriot act wasn't even needed. Law enforcement had enough tactics they can use to get information leading up to them obtaining evidence that can be used in court.
We talk about how people are naive all the time, this is just another instance.
They are not using methods to bring people to court. They are using surveillance tactics to learn about plots here and overseas.
mapleman

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They are not using methods to bring people to court. They are using surveillance tactics to learn about plots here and overseas.
Again, they are going to do this anyway. Keeping it "unofficial" just protects what eroding rights we have. You honestly think LE needs any more power, especially at the federal level? No way. I'm cool. I'd rather take my risks with the terrorists.

I believe people have every right to encryption also. If I were to come over and hand you a note or mail you a letter and it was coded in something only we could understand, that would be perfectly fine. So would talking over a CB in code. Government is going too far.
xxxrayted

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Sep 28, 2010
 
The point is that there is nothing unethical or illegal about intercepting sound or video waves that are in your house right this moment. Anytime you communicate electronically, you have to be suspect of others intercepting those messages.

When I first purchased my police scanner nearly 20 years ago, cordless phones operated at lower frequencies--frequencies that I could legally pick up. While it was illegal to use information learned from tapping in on phones, it provided a hell of a lot of entertainment. The funny thing was, people on those cordless phones really thought their calls were private. They weren't. I was listening to them, and so was anybody else who programmed all 20 cordless phone frequencies.

Same holds true of cordless baby monitors. You can pick those up as well. With more sophisticated devices, you can also pick up cordless video surveillance cameras too. It's all fair game, even to government.
mapleman

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Sep 28, 2010
 
I've showed my friends how their secured wireless network isn't really secure. I or anybody with knowledge of networks can crack into these networks in a couple hours.

But why shouldn't citizens be allowed safe encryption? I think it's our right to have that. The government wants to take our rights away in the name of safety. If you are pro-gun how can you be anti-encryption?

The government just wants to start meddling into more of our lives and have the law behind them when they do. I say keep it "off the books" and let them do it in the shadows.
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Sep 28, 2010
 
There is no such thing as "safe encryption." You have to remember that the FCC is a bureaucracy. As such, they regulate all electronic transmissions in this country. This gives them legal rights to tap into any electronic communications they deem necessary. Don't fool yourself into believing that any communication you use is private. I sure as hell don't.
mapleman

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Sep 28, 2010
 
Never would I believe that, but there are levels of encryption. That is why the government is bellyaching like a bjtch about us having rights to higher level encryption.

The FEDS have resources so let them use the eggheads out of MIT. The point is we do not need any new laws for law enforcement to do their job. I told people this joker Obama was like Bush.
C Williams

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Sep 30, 2010
 
I called the City of Garfield after I received (3) tickets in the mail, and asked how I could dispute the tickets. I was told that in order to do so, you have to pay just to be able to go to court to dispute the tickets. If you think you received the tickets unfairly, they make you pay first. In the City of Cleveland, at least a citzen get's the opportunity to go to court, and a Magistrate hears from person, and you can plead contest, or no contest. You go to court and get a chance to hear what method of payment will be. If you are going to pay fines and court cost, or can you perform so type of community service. In the City of Garfield you have to pay up front, that is so unfair. First they put the cameras in place,, and the citzen don't even no it. Then they make it where you can't even dispute the ticket without paying first.
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C Williams wrote:
I called the City of Garfield after I received (3) tickets in the mail, and asked how I could dispute the tickets. I was told that in order to do so, you have to pay just to be able to go to court to dispute the tickets. If you think you received the tickets unfairly, they make you pay first. In the City of Cleveland, at least a citzen get's the opportunity to go to court, and a Magistrate hears from person, and you can plead contest, or no contest. You go to court and get a chance to hear what method of payment will be. If you are going to pay fines and court cost, or can you perform so type of community service. In the City of Garfield you have to pay up front, that is so unfair. First they put the cameras in place,, and the citzen don't even no it. Then they make it where you can't even dispute the ticket without paying first.
Sorry but the key word here is you received THREE tickets and they only have these cameras officially giving tickets since June? The problem is not with Garfield Hts. or their payment method. The problem is with YOU SPEEDING. Should you have only been going TEN MILES over the speed limit you would not have received a speeding ticket...instead you were going OVER TEN MILES OVER THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT...That is where YOUR PROBLEM lies...not with the City of Garfield.

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