#22 Aug 21, 2014
I remember you relaying that story to me years ago. And guess what? Like you, I do blame black people. We should be active in policing our own communities. But no. These idiot 'community leaders' always want to involve whites. And when the whites come, they come hard.
Most of the complaints are related not to busting the criminals, they are related to pulling people over for BS and issuing $200 tickets on people with fixed incomes. How do I know this? Because I'm black and we talk. I get my information firsthand. Whites speculate.
In poor, black communities(like that section of Garfield), a simple ticket soon leads to a bench warrant. People can't afford to pay the tickets and end up with more problems than the police supposedly solve.
Didn't know your headlight was out? Screw you. Ticket. Improper lane change. Screw you. Ticket. Get robbed. Police are nowhere to be found. Bleeding the community dry has always been a complaint, but these idiot 'black' leaders will call for more police instead of calling for armed citizens and neighborhood watch.
As for NYPD, name me one police state on the planet with high crime. I'll wait.
#23 Aug 21, 2014
xxxrayted are you saying you don't see a problem that this young man has been arrested and jailed over 50 times for working on his job, even when his employer told them he wasn't trespassing and worked there? It was to the point where the employer tried to help the situation by installing cameras to prove harassment of his employee. They would come inside the store and arrest him while he was stocking shelves, accusing him of trespassing. That's an injustice and not because of something the black man was doing wrong. So you're right....damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I'm not justifying every situation of arrest, but clearly the police were continually harassing this young man for no reason. As Mapleman said, this kind of harassment goes on every day and the SYSTEM covers it up. These are the things that people are tired of. These are the reasons they protest against the SYSTEM. When you are constantly stopped or approached by the police and not only questioned, but slammed against the ground, searched and mistreated for no reason (just their unwarranted suspicion), and possibly jailed from made-up charges, it's a problem that causes anger and rebellion. It's no wonder they run away when they see the police coming. Right or wrong, they're going to get F'ed up by the police. But you wouldn't have a clue about any of that. It's not your experience.
Mapleman, you're exactly right about the citations too! Also white people are more apt to just waive/pay for the citation and not go to court, whereas the black people tend to not be able to do so and end up in that courtroom, either on a warrant for not showing up or for trying to get time to pay.
#24 Aug 22, 2014
It's downright criminal. Cleveland traffic court is a money grab preying on poor citizens. If you work a low-wage job, those tickets can literally change your life. Warrants, utility bills might not get paid, groceries might not get paid, car impounded, and perhaps a suspended license. Also, if you have to go to court, you more than likely miss time at work.
And as all the driving-while-black stats show, black people are already more likely to be pulled over and it's not because we are committing more infractions.
My favorite is the 'is your turn signal working' routine. This is the main tactic of cops who don't have dash cams(why do you think Cleveland police didn't want them). Cops know you used the turn signal, but will ask you to show them if it works. When you demonstrate that it works, they ask why you didn't use it. LOL If you don't have warrants and are clean, there's like a 50 percent change the pigs won't write the fictitious ticket.
Also, whites get away with infractions that seem to be only enforced on blacks. How many times do you see people make a left turn and go directly into the curb lane? Happens all the time. But if you're black, it's an improper lane change and a reason to toss your car.
#25 Aug 22, 2014
Right. Police just drive around randomly picking out cars that have black drivers because they have nothing better to do. The blacks are never wrong, it's the cops that are wrong.
This is a hilarious conversation when thinking about the COPS episodes I watch all the time. Black suspects always say "I didn't do it" even though the camera caught them doing exactly what the police accused them of. Then the cops try to handcuff the black suspects and they fight with the police. After cuffed, the police ask why they resisted arrest. Of course, the standard black answer is "I wasn't resisting!" LOL. IT'S ON CAMERA DUMMY!
The problem as I see it from witnessing events right in front of my house to my police scanner I listen to all the time to the police episodes on television is that blacks always think they are never wrong.
#27 Aug 22, 2014
That's something I could never understand, when blacks to something wrong, they always say,'Ah didn dew nuttin'! Or the mother always says, "He a GOOD boy! He be try to turns his lifes aroun.! If I ever did anything wrong, like hit a ball with a bat and break someone's window, my parents would never defend me. They'd chew me out good, I'd get grounded and pay for the window out of my allowance.'Not ME do dat!' Bull!
And driving around Maple Hts., every time I'm out, and I'm talking EVERY time, I see the MH blacks running red lights, speeding, going through red lights, making left turns from right hand lanes and visa verso. I've seen them make u-turns by riding up a front lawn, I still see them texting, blabbing on their cell phones, the whole ball of wax! Oh yeah, and driving with the boom bang speakers blaring.
#28 Aug 22, 2014
Don't get me wrong. It's not like I've never seen cops rough up blacks, but on the other hand, the blacks asked for it.
A couple of months ago, I witnessed a black guy dumping his garbage into a container of a closed down business. I called the cops.
When the cops arrived, the black guy tried to drive away. The cops blew their sirens off and he stopped. The suspect jumped out of his truck and rushed the two officers; one white officer and one black.
They both yelled for him to get back in his vehicle, and he started to give them lip. The black officer charged at the suspect to force him back into his vehicle.
It was the black officer yelling at the black suspect most of the time. The black officer grabbed the SOB out of his truck and put the cuffs on him. The black suspect was yelling and screaming with the black officer yelling right back.
In the meantime, the white officer approached me to ask if I was the person that called. He then asked me to fill out a complaint.
As it turned out, the guy dumping his garbage had a suspended license which is why they cuffed him. He lied to both police officers several times about his identity and his license status. They allowed him to call his girlfriend (or whoever she was) and she appeared on the scene screaming at the police officers that the truck he was driving was hers, and she demanded they let her drive it home.
The white cop told me "I've heard it all before" and they towed the vehicle.
The point is, there are few cases where a cop would use his racial hatred to harass, arrest or violate a subject just because of race. To harass him or be less forgiving? That's because of how the subject reacted towards the police--not his race.
#29 Aug 22, 2014
Who said black people are never in the wrong? I don't think anyone said that. Likewise, I never said all police officers profile. I never said every incident is due to police profiling.
The fact remains that every study done on the subject proves racial profiling exists. Why do you think cops fought against recording racial information on subjects? LOL
Show me any study that backs your position that racial profiling doesn't exist.
You are the one making blanket statements saying black people always say they didn't do something or that black people always resist arrest. You are using only anecdotal evidence to back your claim. I have backed my claim numerous times with studies that have analyzed the statistical evidence along with anecdotal evidence.
Again, whites only use statistics when they claim blacks are more likely to attack them or that we commit more crime. You guys just ignore the stats when the stats back systematic racism.
You seem to form opinions and then ignore any facts that go against your opinions. Critical thinkers don't do that.
#30 Aug 22, 2014
They are following the lead of white people. Whites are the ones who started this 'no blame' society we now live in. Remember white parents blaming cartoons and heavy metal for things their kids did? Blaming video games? Everything but their kids.
It's American not to have personal responsibility and to blame others for the actions of your children.
#31 Aug 23, 2014
I don't think any white parent blamed videos and games, they just believe those things do have an influence on our kids.
I used to be the same way. I thought that these inputs on our children had no effect on them until one time when I was having some work done on my house, I needed a place to stay, so my sister offered me a bed in her semi-finsihed basement. It was my nephews bedroom but he was away at college.
One day my niece came home very upset. She said that the boy down the street said he was going to kick her azzz and that she better prepare for a fight. I thought to myself "Am I that old? Boys challenging girls to a fight?" These were not children, these were elderly teenagers.
In my day, if a 16 year old boy said he was going to beat up a girl, not only would his friends not deliver the message, but they would have beat the hell out of him for wanting to fight a girl. Fighting a girl would have been considered sissy or gay in my days as a youth. So when did all this change???
I didn't want to get too involved in my sisters personal affairs, but I was befuddled about this situation.
So one evening I was channel surfing in my sisters basement out of boredom. As usual, nothing to watch. I kept going past these stupid shows that had hot chicks kicking the azzez of all these big burley bad guys.
Then it hit me how this concept of men beating up girls became acceptable in our young society.
#32 Aug 23, 2014
Dad blames minecraft for son bringing weapons to school.
Just one of the many write ups about video games being blamed for violence.
Here we have the NRA blaming video games for violence.
Finally, a study showing violent media doesn't cause violence.
So while people are constantly making fun of black people for saying their children are good and were influenced by the wrong crowd, we see it isn't strictly a black thing. White people started this blame game crap. Black people followed along.
Years ago, black people wouldn't dare get on television and do the blame game. They'd be ashamed.
I'm more for personal responsibility. If your kid does wrong, you own it. You look in the mirror and blame yourself. You don't blame games, peers, movies, or music. You don't blame the NRA or politicians. And if something is 'off' with your kid, it's on you to get your kid the mental health help that he or she needs.
Feminism has made it acceptable for boy/girl fights, not the movies. It's just one of the many ways feminism has had a negative effect on our society.
#33 Aug 23, 2014
Feminism started when I was a child back in the early 70's. I was talking about the early 2000's here. Feminism may be responsible for our boys being a little less masculine, but not feeling like females have the same physical qualities to fight as males. Feminism never taught that. Feminism is not in that many homes in America, television is.
#34 Aug 23, 2014
I'm really not familiar with whites blaming everything else for their kid's actions. I've heard the news people blaming videos and movies for crimes though. The cartoons I watched when I was a kid were violent but I never repeated things they did or the Three Stooges or the Bowery Boys. I knew it was entertainment. Kids today are just violent. Like Michael Brown, at 18 years old, he's ransacking a store and stealing cigars. And he pushed around the much smaller Oriental store owner. There's pictures of Brown holding a wad of money and a gun too. These are all things I never did when I was 18. But I guess there wasn't any white people around me to encourage me to be a thugglet, eh? LOL!
Blacks got that 'Not MAH keed!' from each other. I don't recall many whites saying not my kid. The people I've known would back hand their kid if they heard they did something like knock over a neighbor's lawn chair or run through their yard. Both of which are felony crimes.
#35 Aug 23, 2014
#36 Aug 23, 2014
#37 Aug 23, 2014
The key words in your comment is "we knew it was entertainment."
Well...... that and the fact television was not so realistic when we were kids. Black and white video seemed to take a lot of reality out of a show. But the stronger point is entertainment. Television, videos, texting, the internet, is a lifestyle, not entertainment.
I just came inside from the backyard where I enjoyed a pleasant fire in my fireplace. Nobody around but me, and that's because the four walls of people's homes is their entire life. You go outdoors to get to your car or take out the trash and that's about it. To come outside, talk, gazing at a fabulous fire is just not life anymore for many people.
About fifteen or twenty years ago, my tenants and neighbors used to come over for a fire. We would sit there until 1:00 am on the weekend nights. Time flew by so fast you didn't even realize it. At times, we had anywhere from six to a dozen people out there. No more.
The point is I believe that our electronic entertainment world has a much more significant impact on people than when we were kids. Again, we realized it was entertainment, not life. We had a television with an antenna that only picked up three channels; five if you had UHF. In summertime, they would air reruns which were boring since you seen every episode of whatever show. So you went outside with other people.
It's not that I blame people. Hell, I have an 80" high def big screen in my home and let me tell you, it's easy to get lost on that thing. But because of my age and how I grew up, I can still appreciate fantastic evenings in my backyard. It's just a shame I'm alone in that pleasure.
#38 Aug 23, 2014
Feminism teaches anything a man can do a woman can do -- including fighting. It's why they have women trying out for football teams and wrestling. It's all feminism. Feminism has women wanting to fight on the front lines, be policemen, be firemen, and so forth.
Feminism started when your were a child, but it's influence is much greater now. It's goal is to make men more feminine and women more masculine. When a woman is aggressive, it's looked at as a good thing. She is asserting herself. When a man is aggressive, he's a bully.
Girls are much more aggressive nowadays than they were in the past. Girls weren't trying to fight boys when you were in school. Heck, girls rarely fought girls when I was growing up. Girl fights are now commonplace.
#39 Aug 23, 2014
The blame game started with white parents. Do you think black parents are the reason there are age ratings on video games and music? That was white people blaming games and music for their children's bad behavior. Remember the war on metal in the 80s? White parents were blaming metal for their kids killing themselves and/or harming each other.
If you don't recall white parents using the blame game, you are ignoring it. White parents are the first ones to run to get a new law put in place if their kids do something stupid.
For example, these dumb white girls sending pictures of themselves and then killing themselves when the pictures are seen by all their classmates. The white parents were on a national campaign trying to get laws changed because they weren't watching what their daughters were doing.
I could go on, but you choose to see what you want to see. The blame game is an AMERICAN problem.
#40 Aug 23, 2014
That's not Michael Brown.
#41 Aug 24, 2014
You think there'll be any rioting or looting over this shooting?
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